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I love how the final solo rules were released in the fall and CMON still hasn't bothered to post an update to let people know.

Almost 3 years now and just thinking about this project still makes me a little sad.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I think Sedition Wars has so much negative baggage, even a good ruleset wouldn't salvage it.

Better to move on with "the Others", and make that a success. In this case, it could work. McVey is only sculpting. Others are doing production & rules. It's quite heartening that we don't have people doing things that they are known to do badly.

McVey didn't do the rules.

Robert Baxter did,

There were literally dozens of people on board game that begged to do proof reading of the rule book (free of charge) and they were blown off repeatedly.

The only other kickstarter I would say I have been disappointed with is Myth (reading the rules is like chewing shoe leather).

One of the biggest disappointments in all this was the attached name of McVey. I wasn't expecting resin quality but was still expecting great quality, something smooth and easy to put on the table. It's like buying a car that has a benz and getting a Kia.

I bought miniatures and got dollar store army men :(

This kickstarter is the Ryan Leaf of kickstarters.

At least I got nice bases.

I feel like this kid

 Piston Honda wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I think Sedition Wars has so much negative baggage, even a good ruleset wouldn't salvage it.

McVey didn't do the rules.

Robert Baxter did,

There were literally dozens of people on board game that begged to do proof reading of the rule book (free of charge) and they were blown off repeatedly.

But McVey selected Robert and approved the rules, right? McVey was "in charge", right?

Not just proofing, but playtesting and balancing. For free. And then version 1.01 was simply released out of nowhere, fixing almost none of the things that the players had noted to be problems.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I think Sedition Wars has so much negative baggage, even a good ruleset wouldn't salvage it.

McVey didn't do the rules.

Robert Baxter did,

There were literally dozens of people on board game that begged to do proof reading of the rule book (free of charge) and they were blown off repeatedly.

But McVey selected Robert and approved the rules, right? McVey was "in charge", right?

Not just proofing, but playtesting and balancing. For free. And then version 1.01 was simply released out of nowhere, fixing almost none of the things that the players had noted to be problems.

Yes he did, I was emphasizing he did not write the rules himself.

Not sure what Robert Baxter's background is, IIRC he wrote an RPG book for Privateer?

Honestly, When they do the reboot I can't back it. Not after this disaster. It would feel like twice as much for the game that I expected, paying for a game the couldn't get right that should have. Basically paying several hundred bucks to playtest a game that was DOA.

The game wasn't fun, trying to prep the models was far worse. With WoK is anything like SedWars, no more...

 cincydooley wrote:

Was there an arrogant attitude?
It's been so long I really can't rightly recall.
It also surprises me because I have trouble seeing Mike McVey be arrogant about anything. I've only met him a handful of times, but he's by far one of the nicest, most humble people I've ever met in this industry.

I don't know if it was Mike or one of the other Studio McVey guys, but as I recall, it was on/via BGG when people were asking for them to share the rules, and there was refusal along with an "don't you worry, we know what we're doing - it'll all be just fine" attitude. Not dissimilar to Myth later on down the line.


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..aaaand it's been fully answered in the interim.

 Piston Honda wrote:
Honestly, When they do the reboot I can't back it. Not after this disaster. It would feel like twice as much for the game that I expected, paying for a game the couldn't get right that should have. Basically paying several hundred bucks to playtest a game that was DOA.

The game wasn't fun, trying to prep the models was far worse. With WoK is anything like SedWars, no more...

I would like to have a functional rulebook for the $130+ that I spent, rather than having all of my time and money amount to nothing. But based on my experience, I'm not backing anything from SMV on a "trust me" or "have faith" basis - they had a shot and didn't deliver. I'm just glad that I didn't spend any money on exclusives or extras, besides the terrain pack.

The terrain pack was pretty well done. Maybe they could have had a few less doors and more of the other stuff, but I am pretty happy with it.

ok got my games and doing a visual inspection of the minis and such and here are my thoughts:

1: big thick cardboard counters, look nice and sturdy but big

2: Cardboard play mats, nice big play mats got 5 in box double sided printed so a nice selection of scenarios you can use.

3: Game Cards nice playing card size and thickness.

4: Dice, uhh they are dice and can be added to my dozens of pounds of dice I already have.

5:The bases if nothing else, the bases made it worth the money I spent on this game, they have nice engraved designs in similar 40K scale and such and debating if I want to even use them on the Sedition Wars minis or for like 40K ?

6: the miniatures, hmm they look simple to build, not many parts, plastic seems like army men quality but not bad, not great, but not bad, my only real complaint about them is their size they are puny or seem puny to me.

7: base bottoms and tokens, n ice tokens and the base bottoms have so many uses for them with the bases in other games.

8: the game box, not sure what 2 box items on the side are for (miniature storage ?), but the art work is ok but mediocre.

9: Rules haven't read the rules yet but for some reason I keep thinking Doom.

I picked up a box of Sedition Wars several months ago - it was cheap and I liked the the whole nanovirus mechanic...

Downloaded the latest version of the rules and cards. Looked at the miniatures and was pretty impressed - until I assembled them...

I am now a fully paid up member of the Restic Haters Club; whilst I can cope with scraping away and dunking a handful of minis in hot water, several dozen of the buggers starts to wear you down.

The game itself was reasonably enjoyable to play, sort of a cross between Space Hulk and Infinity.

Which is the main problem.

Two or three months later, I discovered Infinity.

*poof*

All my Sedition Wars interest vanished, just like that.

The goo mechanic is, by far, the best part of the game.

The minis are great, but yeah, "restic"...

I'm not surprised you jumped to Infinity - it's a better Sci-Fi minis game, with better minis, and far larger player base

yeah,

 CptJake wrote:
The terrain pack was pretty well done. Maybe they could have had a few less doors and more of the other stuff, but I am pretty happy with it.

I bought 1 of everything offered in the KS.
I kept the terrain pack, I traded everything else for a single copy of FFG Horus Heresy - and I think I did well to be rid of the SW

SO in the end I got the HH and a lot of sexy doors, super alien tech, computer terminals and some crates... The SW terrain pack is fething great!
Actually I will keep an eye on SW2 for it's terrain pack!

Panic...

where do I get the updated rules from ?

http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-sw/Alabaster-Rulebook-2ndEd.pdf

thanks Triple9