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I run 7-10 DC with one hammer and one fist, usually led by a Reclusiarch. 7 with the re-rolls is usually enough to kill almost anything (aside from Paladins, or a full-size IG blob); 10 gives you more durability, against tougher enemy units and to improve their chances of lasting to kill a second or third enemy unit. In 5th I used to run them in either an SR or a Landraider. In 6th it's Stormraven all the way. 20pts a model is a steal. 35pts per model (with jump pack) is a massive cost increase, which doesn't enhance their hitting power.

 Mannahnin wrote:
I run 7-10 DC with one hammer and one fist, usually led by a Reclusiarch. 7 with the re-rolls is usually enough to kill almost anything (aside from Paladins, or a full-size IG blob); 10 gives you more durability, against tougher enemy units and to improve their chances of lasting to kill a second or third enemy unit. In 5th I used to run them in either an SR or a Landraider. In 6th it's Stormraven all the way. 20pts a model is a steal. 35pts per model (with jump pack) is a massive cost increase, which doesn't enhance their hitting power.

Do you find there's no need for power swords then? Is the weight of attacks enough to take out say a 10 man tactical squad.

At the moment im thinking something similar, 10 with hammer and fist, possibly a couple swords.

Jump packs, drop pod, or storm raven as the transport, possibly a land raider.

Yes. On the charge the 5 guys with BP & CCP put out 25 attacks, averaging 22-23 hits, 18-20 wounds. That's an average of 6-7 dead SM, not counting anyone the Reclusiarch kills, and before the hammer and fist swing cleanup. Swords are okay too, but not as good as they used to be since they don't swing before other SM anymore, since FC lost the init bonus.

Hey, I need a little advice.

Would an army comprised of:

Dante or Tycho
Sang Priests
Shooty Termies (or Sang Guard)
Furioso Dreads
Assault Squads
Death Company
Baal Predators

Work? Does this seem like a nice balance of units at 1500pts for BA?

Where would you put tyco? He doesn't seem to have a place in that army. Dante took a big hit and strikes at I 1 with the release of the new FAQ. The biggest thing that army lacks is anti AV (maybe some devs or a squadron of multi melta land speeders would do the trick).

Oh wait! I was also considering Sternguard for this army, thats why I included Tycho. Are there any other HQ's you'd suggest?

And I would rather get a missile Dev squad over speeders.

Okay that makes more sense. I have never used tyco but everyone is ranting and raving about him with the advent of 6th ed. I like Mephiston but he is a big point investment. Attack bikes are arguably better then land speeders I just hate how they look. Missle devs will do the trick too though.

Tycho has some pretty damn decent wargear. And he would fit in perfectly with my Sternguard if I chose to bring them, and if I didn't, he could probably fit in with the Shooty Termies.

Missile Devs are pretty good support.

I've just played a game with Mephiston and he is still very usable. So long as you don't do anything stupid like charge him into a squad of Terminators he can still pretty much annihilate anything. And as always keep him in cover until he can charge something and he should survive long enough to do some damage.

@demdiddydizzy: I wouldn't use shooty Terminators, I haven't had much success with them. Assault Terminators are much more survivable and from what I know they tend to do a lot more damage as well.

True. And Assault Termies would be cheaper. It's getting them on the board and where they need to go that is the tricky part.

ianj253 wrote:
Okay that makes more sense. I have never used tyco but everyone is ranting and raving about him with the advent of 6th ed.

Basically the only reason is because he has a weapon which ignores armour saves without having to strike at I1...

Yeah but at least it's not like his weapon makes him unbearably strong.

Nah not at all, I'm just saying it's really the only reason people are saying he's suddenly so much better than before.

mhmm. It's a fun idea, to think that he could actually do more damage on the first round of CC against certain stuff than say, Mephiston. Needless to say though, he does have his own personal limitations.

I like him mostly due to that, and the fact he can fire the special ammunition that Sternguard can fire.

Here is a link to a post on my blog about magnetizing jump packs.

http://pitchedbattle.blogspot.it/2009/08/magnetizing-backjump-packs.html

I buy the magnets (1/8" x 1/32") from this company:

http://www.kjmagnetics.com/

What would your guys opinion be on this list?

HQ: Astorath: 260

Troops:
Assault Squad (10) 2x melta, PF: 235
Assault Squad (10) 2x melta, PF: 235
10 Death Co w/ Bolters, 2x PF: 250
10 Death Co w/ Bolters, 2x PF, Drop Pod: 285
Death Co Dread w/Drop pod: 160
Death Co Dread w/Drop pod: 160

Elites:
Chaplain: 100

Heavy:
Stormraven, TL MM, TL AC: 200

Total is 1900. That gives me 100 points left.

I've only played one 6th ed game, and haven't really got everything figured out just yet. Any suggestions? I feel like I'm missing something vital here, but can't quite figure it out. The extra 100 points probably won't buy anything vital, if I have indeed forgotten something, but I tried to take into account the whole idea of DC being the new Chuck Norris and loading up on stuff that would hit hard and fast, and overload the enemy on deathstars.

I know that it suffers on shooting, and I have blatantly ignored everything about defensive units: tycho, sternguard, devs, etc.

Sorry if I disrupted your discussion on the merits of Tycho being awesome. I feel that this is the best place to get advice on this sort of thing, even if it means completely jumping in and interrupting you guys. Won't happen again, I promise.

Personally, my main gripe about that list is that, while DC are awesome and hardy for a number of situations, they cause you to focus on them and you don't have enough scoring units at the moment. I'm not gonna rag on about tac squads and the like, I'm still an assaulty guy, but two scoring units could mean trouble as if they get killed you're in the poop.

Ok, thanks. So, maybe replace the drop pod death co with a Jump assault squad and just buy a drop pod as extra, so that both dreads still get in on turn one. Also, If I don't take two DCs, Astorath doesn't really look as useful to me any more, maybe drop him for a jump libby? That's a saving of 150 points in total, making my list come out to 1750 exactly.


HQ:Jump Librarian: 125

Troops:
Assault Squad (10) 2x melta, PF: 235
Assault Squad (10) 2x melta, PF: 235
Assault Squad (10) 2x melta, PF: 235
random useless drop pod to get both dreads down on turn 1: 35
10 Death Co w/ Bolters, 2x PF: 250
Death Co Dread w/Drop pod: 160
Death Co Dread w/Drop pod: 160

Elites:
Chaplain: 100

Heavy:
Stormraven, TL MM, TL AC: 200

Still have all the scary toys I wanted, but with more meat for the grinder.

Thanks!

Seems like a pretty solid list, probably not amazing in a tournament setting, but this should serve you well for now at least.

Well you've over costed astorath, but if you go for the 2nd list why not think about putting the dc in the drop pod, rather than the stormraven, and have the stormraven as a pure gunship, drop the dc in behind cover so they can survive a turn and then you have a scary unit behind enemy lines.

Yeah do what caveman said, put the chappy in your empty drop pod (as your DC can't assault turn 1 anyway, so the bonus he offers is n/a). Just hope you don't get all blasted to pieces by your opponent.

Looks like a fun list, as mentioned not gonna be a mega competitive list, but should be fantastic fun none-the-less.

I would also consider a JP priest (or two) for to go with the Assalt Squads?

D

You shouldn't get shot to pieces, if you use the no scatter of the drop pod, and get yourself behind and between some terrain.

Eldercaveman wrote:
You shouldn't get shot to pieces, if you use the no scatter of the drop pod, and get yourself behind and between some terrain.

Wait, what? Why wouldn't the drop-pod scatter? What's this no scatter drop pod you speak of? I think I'm missing something vital here.

D

Read the igs entry in the drop pod section, its not literally no scatter, but there are ways to make it work in your favour.

If you had 4000 points to field of blood angels, what would your list look like?

4000 points?

I honestly don't know. Wouldn't mind running a wacky dread heavy list.

Or half DC half sang guard with Dante and Astorath in the fold. Both are purely for giggles, probably wuldn't be too competitve.

D

I'm not after competitive here, go fun, go crazy, I've put a 30man death company in mine!

^ Oh Yeah!

Okay, I'll bite. I'll have a think and come up with a wacky 4000 point list.

D

6th ed makes my insane Sanguinary Guard army more insane... now you can no longer ap me with crappy PWeps, Deep Strike is more forgiving, and Dante rocks along still! Add in the WHFB style charge rules and dang a SG or DC army is gonna be the thing to beat!