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I think Allies should be light with Blood Angels; they don’t need all that much if a Buff.

Ok here is a 2k List with about 200 points of Allies based on what I want to do.

Captain in Power Armour, 160 pts (Melta Bombs; Jump Pack; Lightning Claw x2)
Honour Guard, 325 pts (Chapter Banner; Equip with Jump Packs)
 Blood Champion
 Sanguinary Novitiate
 3x Honour Guard (Melta Bombs; Lightning Claw x2)

Sternguard Veteran Squad, 410 pts (Bolt Pistol x9; Combi-Plasmagun x7; Plasma gun x2)
 Sergeant (Combi-Plasmagun; Power Fist x1)
 Rhino (Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter x2)

Sternguard Veteran Squad, 400 pts (Bolt Pistol x9; Combi-Meltagun x7; Meltagun x2)
 Sergeant (Combi-Meltagun; Power Fist x1)
 Rhino (Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter x2)

Assault Squad, 255 pts (Jump Pack; Bolt Pistol x7; Chainsword x9; Infernus Pistol x2)
 Sergeant (Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Lightning Claw x2)

Assault Squad, 255 pts (Jump Pack; Bolt Pistol x7; Chainsword x9; Plasma Pistol x2)
 Sergeant (Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Lightning Claw x2)

Allies:
Eldar Autarch [EL], 118 pts (Banshee Mask; Force Shield; Eldar Jetbike; Power Weapon; Shuriken Pistol; Death Spinner; TL Shuriken Catapults x1; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
 3x Guardian Jetbike Squadron [EL], 76 pts (Eldar Jetbike; Shuriken Cannon x1; TL Shuriken Catapults x2)

I put the Sternguard into the Rhino’s because of the Drop Pod Assault, but the 18”+ Move should get me into position quickly enough.
The Eldar should add a distinctive flair that goes along with the BA Speed, but not overpower the list. to add the Harliguin Troop I want I would need about another 300 points.

It should be effective on the battlefield with out the cries of Cheese. It should also look cool and be fun to pay.

I'm sooooo getting an Avatar to run with my Blood Angels. Not sure if it makes sense, but I want to. He can hide behind my Land Raider or so. You know, the one with the TH/SS Termis.

Oh and a few Jetbikes. Not sure (yet) what to do with them, but I guess it's the best Eldar Troop choice (at first glance).

I'm gonna first try out purebred BA before I go ally-crazy...partially because I'm living on a strict budget, but also because I'd like to assess how powerful BA will be before further complicating matters by seeing which other army would compliment them well.


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Furioso Librarians might be more useful in a charge against those with lower toughness, with the Wings bonus acting like he's jump infantry and all.

I'm thinking of ditching the priests all together. FNP and FC aren't going to be worth the 75points pr priest.

I'm instead going for Astorath (for the 50% red thirst chance) and probably using my elite slots for furioso libbies. Troops I'm thinking a core of DC and DC dreads.

Well remember that you still need units to capture objectives, unless you're going for a tabling list.

Andilus Greatsword wrote:Well remember that you still need units to capture objectives, unless you're going for a tabling list.

I've been using scouts on my lists so far, I think they'll stay.

I'd probably go speedy and take Sang Guard and some ASM with those DC and Astorath. But if so, I'd have to take Dante to make Sang Guard scoring, otherwise I would not likely take many and that's silly, and I would like to take my Libby as well......


We'll see. We shall see.

Titan Atlas wrote:I'd probably go speedy and take Sang Guard and some ASM with those DC and Astorath. But if so, I'd have to take Dante to make Sang Guard scoring, otherwise I would not likely take many and that's silly, and I would like to take my Libby as well......


We'll see. We shall see.

And by that point, that's a ridiculously costly combo haha. I've tried fitting Njal and Ragnar into a list... I had to make so many concessions that it wasn't even worth it.

Yeah, it sounds like there are two approaches unless you go up into the 3000s for a balance of the two.

Atlas I could probably squeeze into either though, and ASM will factor in either way.

Also, fast vindicators since their guns do full strength now.

Interesting.

I mean, vehicles will still be fragile due to the adjustments, but we'll build accordingly

Anybody have any ideas yet as to how they'll outfit their librarians? Similarly? Differently? I have yet to flip through the psychic powers as I'm choosing to wait to get my card set, but with those in consideration, and adjustments to power weapons, what do you think you will do differently?

The new reserve rules seem to prohibit more than half the units going into reserve, rounded up, counting ICs as seperate. Pure DOA is dead, long live Bloodhammer with scouts and devs on foot. But reserves are now T2/3: 3+, T4: auto, so there's that.

Fists or Axes on ASM seem mandatory now. Axes notably get the +1A for a pistol.

I really don't see any reason not to keep the standard setup of powers for librarians. You're not subject to randomness screwing you out of what you really wanted. Shield is proportionally stronger due to most cover dropping to 5+. Worth noting: Unleash Rage occurs at beginning of assault phase. Unless FAQed, this means you can have the new and improved Preferred Enemy during Overwatch.

Meph's ability to charge in and kill large units is going to be nerfed by the fact that, as a single-model character unit, he can't refuse challenges. So on the turn he charges, the squad sergeant or whatever is going to step up and die, holding him to only winning combat by 1 wound (2 wounds, I guess, versus nobs).

The Sanguinary priest can always refuse the challenge.

Furious charge is just +1 str now.

I think the Stormlord is going to be a valuable Ally (and before people say anything I've read the actual allies section in the book over and over looking for it and there is nothing saying you cant ally with special chars).

Also in the Mephiston Situation where a squad sergeant challenges that is Ideally what you want and you should issue a challenge if he doesn't keeps Mephy protected during the enemy round of shooting and then lets him kill the squad on the enemy turn.

After some wound allocation read throughs, I think BA character selelction is going to be really important to getting assault squads across the table mostly unharmed.

My idea is to have them joined by a Biker captain with SS and whatever else you want, With the +1T he's immune to instant kill from missiles and lascannons, he gets a 3++ save and FnP against those shots (as long as you have a priest) For a bonus take a vanilla marine captain, you get one that can take artificer armor too, and comes with a troop of bikes that keep up with our jump troops and provide much needed close range shooting support in the form of 2x plasma guns and a MM.

As for psykers, don't overlook biomancy and having your squad lead by a librarian with +3T, EW and getting back up on a 5+.

Flavius Infernus wrote:Meph's ability to charge in and kill large units is going to be nerfed by the fact that, as a single-model character unit, he can't refuse challenges. So on the turn he charges, the squad sergeant or whatever is going to step up and die, holding him to only winning combat by 1 wound (2 wounds, I guess, versus nobs).

Yeah I noticed that one too, just get a squad to slow him down and make the sergeant/IC commit suicide and/or wound him a few times.


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Zachilles wrote:I think the Stormlord is going to be a valuable Ally (and before people say anything I've read the actual allies section in the book over and over looking for it and there is nothing saying you cant ally with special chars).

Yeah but he's a Desperate Ally, so 1/6 turns he'll be doing nothing at all.

Andilus Greatsword wrote:

Flavius Infernus wrote:Meph's ability to charge in and kill large units is going to be nerfed by the fact that, as a single-model character unit, he can't refuse challenges. So on the turn he charges, the squad sergeant or whatever is going to step up and die, holding him to only winning combat by 1 wound (2 wounds, I guess, versus nobs).

Yeah I noticed that one too, just get a squad to slow him down and make the sergeant/IC commit suicide and/or wound him a few times.


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Zachilles wrote:I think the Stormlord is going to be a valuable Ally (and before people say anything I've read the actual allies section in the book over and over looking for it and there is nothing saying you cant ally with special chars).

Yeah but he's a Desperate Ally, so 1/6 turns he'll be doing nothing at all.

I just picked up the rulebook so I haven't had time to go through it yet, but there might be potential for meph as a pure caster if you switch his abilities with the new ones?

With all the rumours and literally moments before I actually get my hands on the rulebook, I'm gonna resolve to stop being panicky about all the possible nerfs that BA will have with 6th ed and just read through.

Well, in my last game, DoA vs. mech BA, my Vanguard units (3x5 Vets with power fist each) arrived from reserve charging tanks and infantry. Now it will be easier for them to take down tanks in assault, since vehicles will be hit on 3+ in cc.

DoA are dead:

You can only reserve half your army
FC does not give the initiative bonus
FnP reduced to 5+ (with a wider range to roll it on to be fair)
Overwatch
Jump packs have to be used EITHER for movement or for charging

Stoffer wrote:DoA are dead:

You can only reserve half your army
FC does not give the initiative bonus
FnP reduced to 5+ (with a wider range to roll it on to be fair)
Overwatch
Jump packs have to be used EITHER for movement or for charging

A pure DoA is possibly not as effective as it was when it comes from reserve.
But now I'd be inclined to combine a DoA force (Sanginuary Guard, Vanguard) with a ground force containing heavy tanks like Vindicators (awesome with the new template rule).

Yeah, I mean, it's quite feasible to use a hybrid list.

How about a Dreadnought with blood fist or blood talons, are they AP 2 ?

wuestenfux wrote:

Stoffer wrote:DoA are dead:

You can only reserve half your army
FC does not give the initiative bonus
FnP reduced to 5+ (with a wider range to roll it on to be fair)
Overwatch
Jump packs have to be used EITHER for movement or for charging

A pure DoA is possibly not as effective as it was when it comes from reserve.
But now I'd be inclined to combine a DoA force (Sanginuary Guard, Vanguard) with a ground force containing heavy tanks like Vindicators (awesome with the new template rule).

Yeah, right now I'm thinking of looking at something like:

No more priests. The bonuses aren't worth it at 75 points a piece.

Libby dreads in place of priests
2 units of DC with astorath and possibly lemartes
Scouts to hold
Vindicators to support

wuestenfux wrote:How about a Dreadnought with blood fist or blood talons, are they AP 2 ?

Fists are ap2 but the talons are only ap3 :(

That's fine though, I mean...most enemies I fought that had 2+ saves were too dangerous for the Dread as it was, except maybe some termies that didn't have storm shields.

SiegeCommander wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:How about a Dreadnought with blood fist or blood talons, are they AP 2 ?

Fists are ap2 but the talons are only ap3 :(

Are Dreads still hit in the front as it was? Sorry but I'm picking up my book on monday. If so, Furioso Dreads are still very dangerous to MEQs.

Yes, Dreads are still hit on the front in assaults unless immobile

DC Dreads and Furioso Dreads are still pretty good now. Actually I think the DC one is a bit better since Rage no longer works how it used to.

Does the rulebook have the double FOC thing at 2K points?

Also what does the FAQ mean when it says that an IC with the Red Thirst can only join DC or a squad with the Red Thirst? What if we joined an IC to a squad at the beginning of a game and the unit gains Red Thirst...Does this mean he's stuck not being able to join other squads unless they have Red Thirst as well?