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haha yeah, I don't send him after terminators as it is

I just think that hull points just made vehicles a lot softer, especially if you're facing Necrons with their updated Gauss rules. Though Las/Plas turrets got a lot better at popping vehicles as well.

Titan Atlas wrote:An interesting setup right there...

Vanguard eh? What will you outfit them with? I'm just curious.

Usually dual claws, power weapon, fist, and two bp/ccw with 5 meltabombs. Pricey, but I ask them to do everything so I have to kit them appropriately. :-) I know they are universally despised but they win me games by scaring parking lots and ambushing lightly defended objectives/units.

hmm......

I might give that setup a try. haha, the time I tried them out I gave them like, 4 or 5 storm shields, power weapons, maybe a power fist, and jump packs, and they got pretty pwn'd. But I shouldn't write them off completely, I mean, they're fast attack, and unless I plan on using a bunch of baals, which is still viable with the changed FOC once you breach 2000 pts, well...they're an option.

My Sternguard are armed with:
1st Squad: Sergeant [Power Fist, Combi-Plasma], x7 Combi-Plasma, 2x Plasma Guns.
2nd Squad: Sergeant [Power Fist, Combi-Melta], x7 Combi-Melta, 2x Melta Guns.

And with 6th I am going to add:
3rd Squad: Sergeant [Power Fist, Combi-Flamer], x7 Combi-Flamer, 2x Heavy Flamers.

Sternguard are interesting, but Vanguard strike me as more connected to BA philosophy.


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...then again, I'm gathering you are talking about sternguard in perhaps Space Wolves, huh?

Titan Atlas wrote:Sternguard are interesting, but Vanguard strike me as more connected to BA philosophy.


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...then again, I'm gathering you are talking about sternguard in perhaps Space Wolves, huh?

A friend of mine uses this one
-Sergeant: Relic Blade, Storm Shield, Jump Pack
-4x Vanguard Vets: Power Weapon, Storm Shield, Jump Pack

Expensive, but brutal; the first time he brought them out he took out my Blood Claws and Grey Hunter Pack in rapid succession.

Yeah, when you arm them with storm shields it's pretty badass, I got particularly badly beaten with them though, and it didn't help that my opponent had tailored his list into a pretty nasty anti-BA matchup, so...yeah, I'm gonna keep them in mind, thanks!

As a note I have built my Marine Army [The Imperial Tigers] so the Core Units are legal for the Blood Angels Space Marine Codex.

I have been planning for years to make a Shrike and Body Guard using Vanguards, 10 Vanguards with Lighting Claws and Jump Packs.
However with the Blood Angels Codex I was able to take an Honor Guard with Jump Pack and Lighting Claws. I just use my Shrike as a Captain with Pump Pack and Paired Lighting Claws.
They have worked well except for the one time I got locked into melee with some Chaos Terminators.

What creative ideas might some people have for some allies to add to their lists?

I was think of Allies to field with my Armies, and was thinking of a Harlequin with an Autarch on a jet bike and Guardian Jet Bike Squadron [x4], painted up like Harlequins, this should run me about 500 points.

So like with your space wolves idea? It's interesting.

Like i said earlier I like to make my armies “Multi-Taskers”

Right, fair enough.

Personally, I'd like to get my hands on components of other armies I wish I had the chance to use, you know? Like, long fangs or something..hmm..

Titan Atlas wrote:Right, fair enough.

Personally, I'd like to get my hands on components of other armies I wish I had the chance to use, you know? Like, long fangs or something..hmm..

For a quick and dirty way to do that:
Take Logan [HQ]
Add a 5 man Wolf Guard Terminator Pack with Arjac and Cyclone Launcher, in a Drop Pod [Troops because of Logan ]
Take the Long Fangs [Heavy Support]

Put Logan in the Drop Pod and the Cyclone with the Long Fangs

Watch your opponents cry Cheese

I could see something simple becoming techy

Captain on a bike, unit of a bike for the troop, then something like Thunderfire Cannon being brought in to control half the field.

The Bike squad could easily keep up with a DOA list, provide T5 troops to bully units like guard or orks, or capture objectives from reserve.

With random Charge distance, and the changes to moving through cover, the thunderfire cannon can easily slow units to a dead crawl.

Furioso + mephiston used to = bunch o dead terminators.... No longer tho lol. Mephy will still be a good counter to gk and basic marine squads

QuietOrkmi wrote:Powerweapons not negating your FNP will be annoying, but charging into orks that shoot at BS 1 will still whittle some of the numbers down.

Your Vehicles being glanced to death makes enemy infantry more of a threat and makes Assault cannons better.

Not having an invulnerable save will be less dooming to Mephiston as it takes a powerfist to negate that, and those go at I1, compared to his I7 nonsense...

Melta's taking a hit will make the tactic of suicide drops being a little worse...

How has melta taken a hit? Is it that vehicles can now be glanced to death? The way I see it, meltas still do their thing, kill vehicles. It's just that they now have some competition.

Meltas are better at killing vehicles because on a penetrating hit they remove a hull point AND add +2 to the damage chart. Not seeing a down side.

Plasma get a +1 now and has double the range but, as far as I know still gets hot.

I'm holding my breath for 6th to make Sang Guard better. I have an all S Guard army right now and it is pretty good, but its not that good.
Check em out!

This is my test 1750 list for 6th.

Sweet! Guardspam would be epic fun, and I'd be totally on board for getting something similar. Thankfully, it costs a reasonable amount of money to get lots of them (I've got a couple units) if they indeed are getting as buffed as they are.

They look great, man!

The only real difference to Sang guard are that they are slightly less afraid on plasma because of the FNP change, are worse when fighting terminators because of the AP3 power weapons, and are slightly worse in close combat because of the furious charge nerf making them lose the +1 initiative on the charge.

What this means is, they will survive a little more shooting, lose to terminators, and do slightly less damage to everyone else, whereas in 5th they died easy to meltas and plasma, beat the crap out of terminators (just cuz of how many attacks they had), and face-rolled everything else.

This is a typical Imperial Tigers 4th Company Set Up using the Blood Angels Codex

2000 Pts Blood Angels Roster

Captain in Power Armour, 160 pts (Melta Bombs; Jump Pack; Lightning Claw x2)
Honour Guard, 325 pts (Chapter Banner; Equip with Jump Packs)
 Blood Champion (Melta Bombs)
 Sanguinary Novitiate
 3x Honour Guard (Melta Bombs; Lightning Claw x2)

Sternguard Veteran Squad, 375 pts (Bolt Pistol x9; Combi-Plasmagun x7; Plasma gun x2)
 Sergeant (Melta Bombs; Combi-Plasmagun; Power Fist x1)
 Drop Pod

Sternguard Veteran Squad, 365 pts (Bolt Pistol x9; Combi-Meltagun x7; Meltagun x2)
 Sergeant (Melta Bombs; Combi-Plasmagun; Power Fist x1)
 Drop Pod

Blood Angels Contemptor Pattern Dreadnought (IA), 265 pts (Smoke Launchers; Extra Armor; Blood Talon with Storm Bolter x2; Automatic Shielding; Fleet)
 Lucius Pattern Dreadnought Drop Pod (IA)

Assault Squad, 255 pts (Jump Packs, Bolt Pistol x7; Chainsword x9; Infernus Pistol x2)
 Sergeant (Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Lightning Claw x2)

Assault Squad, 255 pts (Jump Pack; Bolt Pistol x7; Chainsword x9; Plasma Pistol x2)
 Sergeant (Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Lightning Claw x2)

Now with 6th, I don’t think I will change the list much. I might exchange the Dread for another Sternguard, loaded with Flamers. I might also drop a lot of the Melta Bombs for the Sergeants with Power Fist.

Anpu42 wrote:Take Logan [HQ]
Add a 5 man Wolf Guard Terminator Pack with Arjac and Cyclone Launcher, in a Drop Pod [Troops because of Logan ]
Take the Long Fangs [Heavy Support]

Put Logan in the Drop Pod and the Cyclone with the Long Fangs

Watch your opponents cry Cheese

I dunno, I would almost want to fight that... that's 838pts if I calculated right, a good chunk of your actual army. I get the feeling that people are thinking too much about their Allies and losing sight of their main army.

Titan Atlas wrote:Yeah, when you arm them with storm shields it's pretty badass, I got particularly badly beaten with them though, and it didn't help that my opponent had tailored his list into a pretty nasty anti-BA matchup, so...yeah, I'm gonna keep them in mind, thanks!

lol, it was tailored somewhat (in that I had the majority of my models with I5, but to be fair some armies are all I5 or higher), although an all-Fenrisian Wolf army is pretty fragile.

With TWC and Long Fangs

Yeah well all Space Wolf players run Long Fangs lol. And a lot of them run TWC (I usually don't have the points, but they were the only hardy unit I had in that game).

Titan Atlas wrote:With TWC and Long Fangs

The only problem is you will need to still come up with a HQ and a Troop Choice
I guess you could go with a Thunderlord or Canis and some grey Hunters, but that wont be any cheeper in the long run.

He was using Canis, but I'm pretty sure we're talking about two separate things here.


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Anywho...let's keep on the subject before I accidentally derail it

Anpu42 wrote:

Titan Atlas wrote:With TWC and Long Fangs

The only problem is you will need to still come up with a HQ and a Troop Choice
I guess you could go with a Thunderlord or Canis and some grey Hunters, but that wont be any cheeper in the long run.

lol, we were just talking about a previous battle Atlas and I had. Although TWC and Long Fangs would be an expensive combo too (since you'd need Grey Hunters and an HQ to go along with it)... at that point, you might as well play a Space Wolves army.

...Screw that, BA all the way.