Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor

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**weeble1000**

Mr Gutsy wrote:
Its a little disappointing to see the new campaign about to launch when the majority of people haven't received their items from the previous KS. I had at least one of every model from the Helsvakt KS included in my pledge, and judging by what Tre has been saying about the horsemen there is a very good chance that i won't receive my order until after this new campaign is finished.

I really don't know if i will back this new campaign, im a big fan of Tre but at this point i've already backed 3 'Trollcast' KS campaigns and spent $600-$700 on miniatures produced in a material that i have yet to experience first hand...

I back RBG KS campaigns because I want to support RBG. The miniatures are a nice bonus. I don't know Tre's reasons for rushing out the next KS campaign, unless he wants to get the retool done as quickly as is manageable. I do think that finishing one task completely before moving on to a new one is usually a pretty good idea. But, when it comes to Tre Manor, my confidence is 100%.

I wanted horses in my pledge rewards, and the horses are taking some time, understandably enough. Frankly I am astonished by the alacrity with which the pieces have gone from concept art on a KS page to finished models in the mail. As far as I am concerned, the turnaround has been rather remarkable. It wasn't as fast as Tre wanted or hoped, but it was a whole hell of a lot faster than I ever expected. He's clearly working his butt off and delivering on his promises, which is par for the course with Red Box Games.

**RiTides**

Hopefully Tre realizes this and either sets the campaign with a long run-time, or just gets on Ed and gets those horses done.

If he's had boxes sitting since Christmas Eve, though (I know it's the holidays

but still, this thing's behind schedule!) I'm not sure even getting casts really soon would ensure that everyone (particularly international folks) would receive their packages in time.

But I'm in the same boat, I pledged for Ed's kickstarter (a Lot!) and a small amount on Imbrian Arts. I really want to see this stuff and make sure I like it a Lot better than Finecast

before I get too much of it.

That said I might be interested in a few gobbos... assuming this doesn't end at the very Very start of February (hopefully more like mid-Feb).

**tre manor**

Well my intentions are to run this campaign for 35 days. MAYBE 40 just to be sure that everyone who pledged to the previous KS campaign has their product in hand before this next KS ends.

The stuff that has been sitting is waiting for stuff that I don't have just yet. Ed informs me that he shipped two more big boxes yesterday so I should have a LOT more stuff come monday or tuesday.

These boxes should contain; COnradt's Warp Form and Weapons, the awaited " waiting " Varp warrior, a sampling of the pill bases for the Cav and Wolves, Yrsa and Fenris and more hordesmen.

This means there will be a LOT more packages going out next week. Thus far the reactions I have received from bakcers whom have recieved their rewards has been very positive. I woudl nto carry through with this next Campaign unless I was VERY confident in Ed's product and service.

One reason why this is happening now rather than later is because I need to get my foot in the door so-to-speak if I want to use Ed's material. He has only the best of intentions and an incredible work ethic, BUT he is onyl human and there is only so much he can do so if I want to use his product and service I HAVE to pay for his time before someone else does and his time is getting filled VERY quickly.

Now I have the advantage that we had prior agreement for this to take place, BUT he still has bills to pay and a family to take care of and now Brian is part of the equation as well. Not to mention there are a lot of peopel who's business I am losing because I cleaned out my metal stock for replacement with Trollcast.

So I find myself at a now or never moment.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

No problem Tre,

Even If I don't get the horses before the KS ends I'll probably dip in for at least some goblins... All the images of the casts starting to show up are very encouraging

(If you & ed do manage to get them too me it'll be easier to rationalise going big though)

**tre manor**

PArcels to the UK tedn to take abotu 2 weeks to arrive. I am expecting to have the horses in the next week or so so you shoudl get yours before the KS ends.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Fantastic news,

You and Ed have done yourselves proud with the post KS service in terms of keeping us in touch with whats going on

what with your stuff and Sedition wars due real soon I may end up with shiny new mini poisoning!

**czakk**

Another review of the new material over on Tre's forums:

timmowit wrote:
I was in something of a financial pickle at the time of the first RBG KS and so went in for the enda/$8 pledge (just to show willing). After a tough choice I elected to have the Blutulf model and a little package from duly arrived Flowood, MS this very day (I'm in the UK). Tre requested feedback on his latest creations, so I would like to comply here.

Like Doomrunner72 (see elsewhere on this thread) I found that a number of the weapons on the hand/weapon sprues had snapped off in transit (see image below). Not a major problem, but I think that foam padding in the blister the model arrived in might have prevented such breakages. This material is certainly not as delicate as 'straight' resin, but even-so it is not as tough as metal and extra packaging is essential. Likewise a spike on Blutulf's left gauntlet had snapped clean-off. Again, not an issue and something that better protection would have averted. As I wrote the material itself is good: hardy (for a 'resin') and holding detail superbly. I for one am not put off by this change and feel that once packaging issues are addressed then things will be all good.

By the way, cracking mini, isn't he? On with KS 2!

**Bolognesus**

Hmm, three out of ten weapons snapped I'd call an 'issue' slightly more than that reviewer does, apparently. Still, aside from what is an easily fixed packing issue that does look *superb*, especially at these prices

**RiTides**

That is great to hear, Tre (about getting everything to people before KS2 ends, and the 35-40 day runtime). 40 would be best for me

. I'll be in for some goblins I believe

**grefven**

Ye, this Trollforge material is looking HUGE!

**RiTides**

Found an old thread full of goblin pics

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/295994.page

**grefven**

I, in particular, enjoy the spearmen and the archers.

But I am looking forward to the other previously unreleased miniatures that Tre has mentioned will be included.

**RiTides**

Agreed, those 6 spearmen and 3 archers look great. If he makes some wolf riders, they may be irresistible!

**recruittons**

Oh man, that makes me even more excited for my bonebacks multipack! I can't wait to see which ones it has

**RiTides**

It doesn't come with all of them? Was that in the last campaign?

**recruittons**

Not part of the original campaign, it's just a retail multipack of the bonebacks that I bought. I just don't know what counts as a boneback lol

**tre manor**

Bonebacks are the big huling goblin berserkers. Basicly my Orc Stand ins whiel I figured out what iw asnted the RBG orcs to be.

There are 12 of them and 8 have universally interchangeable weapons. In the next KS all of them will have interchangeable weapons.

**RiTides**

I like the bonebacks but think I'm partial to the regular ones

Recruittons, post pics when you can!

**recruittons**

Totally will!

**czakk**

First painted troll cast RGB figure that I am aware of popped up on Tre's forums (http://red-box-games.com/forum/index.php?topic=67.msg2679#msg2679):

glazed over wrote:
Cheers guys.

Got my Kickstarter on Friday, so I painted the first of my Gynnade Krigare over the last couple of days.

A quick job for me! Fairly happy with how it has turned out considering the time spent.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

That is very nice indeed

**Azazelx**

Bolognesus wrote:
OTOH, why should he? He's never specifically catered to the GW market.
Good ol' Rackham? I'm lead to believe they're more in this scale as well.

Rackham's stuff is/was actually bigger than GW, though much was cross-compatable.

Having a disclaimer or at least a ruler picture is a good idea. The Helsvakt look like Not-Chaos Warriors. People will buy them assuming they are the same size as the GW models. There will be more of this, and it's easily avoidable. In particular like to see a proper sizing of the Wraith Knights compared to something (at least a ruler) since I have a potential specific gaming use for them, but it will depend on their size. Especially if they're potentially in this next Kickstarter.

plastictrees wrote:
tre manor wrote:

ETA for the rest of the KS stuff...... I think I am getting some this week and some next week but those horses ARE going to take some time to cast.
Scipio, I am just waiting for the pill bases on the wolves and for one of the waiting forms of the Varp.

I'm guessing that we're not going to have horses in hand for at least a month based on this.

Not to mention all the other stuff if you live outside the US...

judgedoug wrote:

there is also some sentiment on the RBG forum that some people won't back until they get their stuff from the first KS, so I'm hoping Ed is casting those horses ASAP for Tre.

There's also this. Gutsy said it well, actually. I'll probably pledge but will likely pull it at the last minute if I don't have my last figures in hand. I want to see what Trollcast is like in hand before spending any more money on it.

weeble1000 wrote:

I back RBG KS campaigns because I want to support RBG. The miniatures are a nice bonus.

This doesn't actually make any sense and is a rather silly statement. Why not just give Tre' a percentage of your income? Or send him a few hundred bucks as a gift every so often. I personally spent more than I would have in the last KS because I also want to support Tre, but the miniatures purchase was and still is the raison d'etre.

edit - Wraith Knights.

**Surloch**

Unless there's some upfront "Early Bird" levels that I'll grab to just hold a place, I'll probably wait till near the end to give it a chance for stuff to show up in AU.

I'm pretty confident there's nothing to worry about, but having backed Mantic, Reaper et all, I have to have something in hand to show the wife before any more mini purchases are authorized.

Reminds me I need to tidy up the paint station and get back into the Mantic stuff. I've let everything slip as I'm transferring paint into new bottles which is more like work and not painting so it's been put on the backburner sigh.

**Azazelx**

There's a thread on RBG's site about Trollforged and breakages.

http://red-box-games.com/forum/index.php?topic=148.0

Seeing the air bubbles and breakages and whatnot in that thread makes me a bit dubious. Of course people in that thread are doing the "we love you, Tre'!" dance, as you tend to find on official forums, but just imagine the reaction if those same figures were from GW/Finecast(!)

I'll be looking at my figures very carefully when they arrive, and unless there's an "early bird" to grab as a placeholder, I'll be waiting to see what the condition of my first KS figures is like.

**RiTides**

The pics in that thread look pretty decent to me (as far as not having that many air bubbles, etc). In any resin-like material you're going to have some of these issues, imo. But obviously I'll be watching closely.

**czakk**

scipio.au wrote:
In particular like to see a proper sizing of the Wraith Knights compared to something (at least a ruler) since I have a potential specific gaming use for them, but it will depend on their size. Especially if they're potentially in this next Kickstarter.
.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l126/bluesabre/Red%20Box%20Games/photo1.jpg

Wraith next to a mantic skeleton if that helps.

**Azazelx**

czakk wrote:
scipio.au wrote:
In particular like to see a proper sizing of the Wraith Knights compared to something (at least a ruler) since I have a potential specific gaming use for them, but it will depend on their size. Especially if they're potentially in this next Kickstarter.
.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l126/bluesabre/Red%20Box%20Games/photo1.jpg

Wraith next to a mantic skeleton if that helps.

Thank you, I think I have a few of those Mantic skellies somewhere, but I have no idea where as I just moved house. I'll keep looking and perhaps ask Tre for a ruler shot if I can't find another pic.

**judgedoug**

scipio.au wrote:
There's a thread on RBG's site about Trollforged and breakages.

http://red-box-games.com/forum/index.php?topic=148.0

Seeing the air bubbles and breakages and whatnot in that thread makes me a bit dubious. Of course people in that thread are doing the "we love you, Tre'!" dance, as you tend to find on official forums, but just imagine the reaction if those same figures were from GW/Finecast(!)

I'll be looking at my figures very carefully when they arrive, and unless there's an "early bird" to grab as a placeholder, I'll be waiting to see what the condition of my first KS figures is like.

I don't see any of Tre's figures having Fun Noodle swords or looking like they took a faceful of shotgun pellet. (my experiences with Finecast)

The downside to not using metal is that when pressure is applied to the plastic, it breaks the weapon haft, instead of bending it around. The properties of metal is just something everyone got used to over the many years (1990 or so for me) - bending spears back, scraping and filing mold lines, clipping off the mold vent snake things, etc. While it sucks there's some breakages - that's a packaging problem that Tre can hopefully iron out; and some underside bubbles need to be brought to Ed's attention because they're not casting something right. Tre is very receptive on the forums, even asking everyone to post all feedback because he wants to make sure the switch from metal to Trollcast is the right one. Now, I'd love for Tre to have a KS where he's partnered with Wargames Factory and makes hard plastic Gynnade Krigare...

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Tre on Red Box Games forums wrote:
Guys please remember that feedback, HONEST feedback is like gold to me. I NEED to knwo any problems or concerns you guys have. I am gambling my livliehood and reputation on this stuff so it needs to be right. Don't be shy and don't fret that it will hurt my feelings.

I am REALLY looking forward to that PJ Glazedover!

Gareth, thanks man! Yours shoudl have been in a baggie inside the clamshell. The baggies does not put any pressure on the model itself and also does not allow it to move at all. It looks terrible on shelves but it works FAR better than foam.

My very lovely and wonderful Wife has been helping out with the packaging and shipping and she is still coming to grips with the process, and I took it for granted that she could handle more it than she should have on her own without more help from me in the beginning so she did not know that she needed baggies AND clamshells. That however does not completely explain the problems. I think that these Gynnade defects are primarily a fault of design. When I made them I made for metal that means that those spikes do not have to be super thick and blunt to resist damage, enter Trollcast and suddenly those spikes DO need to be thick and blunted. Ed has done a TREMENDOUS job in getting these parts to cast as well as they have and to tell the truth it makes me VERY confident in the other retools. These Armoured elites are as difficult as it gets in terms of moulding, casting, handling, and shipping. If we can make these work as well as they do the other parts are goign to be cake.

one other thing I have been meaning to warn people about is that every once in a while you might get a part with a patch of wierd texture somewhere on the surface. This is usually just mold release residue and can be scraped off with your fingernail. Some of the round shields had a lot of if but it literally does just scrape righ toff with no underlying damage. I tried to catch all of it and fix it myself but I am certain I missed some. If yo uget one of these parts and it does NOT scrape right off then please let me know so I can replace it.

as for the set up on the Gynnade weapons..... yeh I had originally sculpted the hands directly on and then decided it woudl make for easier fittign to plug the hand into a wrist socket with the weapon being a singl epice with the hands...... I have learned my lesson.

Also I am thinking that I may cast certain parts in metal in the future ( the weapon sprues mostly. ) and just let he weapons always pug into the hands.

**czakk**

Someone has posted photos of some partially converted / assembled Aenglish up:

http://imageshack.us/g/856/dscf0007hg.jpg/V

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Update #44 fulfillment Update
Update #44 · Jan. 07, 2013 · 6 comments

Just got another two big boxes full of stuff from Ed today! More Hordesmen, More Morgrimn ( both forms! ) More Svetlana's, pill base samples, and that last Varp. This means there are a good 200 more packages that will be shipping out over the week this week.

Incidentally.... the pill bases look a bit big for the wolves so it may be best to pop them onto rounds after all. Sorry for the wait on these guys.

Cheers!

Tre'