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Got my 8 bonebacks . Just missing pack B, which is coming from the UK!

So when's that KS starting again . I am in love with these now I've seen them in-person. Please do all 12!! You'll get people ordering entire goblin armies if you do (I may get 80-100 if all 12 sculpts are there).

On the RBG forums, sounds like KS2 might go live tomorrow with reworked goals, in part due to the popularity of the Bonebacks! Really hope we get all 12!!

Also he is getting another box of trollcast goodness this week

I'm fine to wait. I have enough crack to keep me going until these get here...

I just hope that it just isn't the more vocal ones that express their opinion regarding the bonebacks, and that they are a minority. It would be a shame of Tre listened to a handful of people on the internet that praise them while the majority remain silent.

Yes, that would be a shame. If you like something, definitely give him feedback as he is (impressively) very open to it from what I have seen.

But just from this thread there are several people who ordered them, so imo it's pretty clear they're a hot item.

Yep Bonebacks are one of my more popular items. I am still trying to nail this down as the difference in original goals makes the structure I had planned not work. I need to figure otu a basic package and then how to add on to it from there.

I already own all 12 of them in metal but definitely would get another set of 12 in trollcast.

 tre manor wrote:


Yep Bonebacks are one of my more popular items. I am still trying to nail this down as the difference in original goals makes the structure I had planned not work. I need to figure otu a basic package and then how to add on to it from there.

The mix of a 100 dollar (or 150 or whatever) basic pledge that gets added on to periodically, and specific extra pay add-ons seems to have worked very well - reaper's vampire level and add ons, and kingdom death's box set and then expansions / extra models for example.

If you have 3 factions (goblins, aenglish, dvergir?) to start off with, then it would make sense to do a basic faction warband for X dollars, and then a delux one that gets models added to it, and then start introducing extra named characters for +$ add on. That way the pledges keep rolling in on a fairly regular basis?

The different pledge levels you had last time worked sort of like that, but were a bit confusing until nearer the end when the graphics got added.

Personally, there are two KS that stand out as really well done. Stonehaven's dwarves and Ed's Trollforged Alien Host. I loved how they built value on some basic pledge levels, but there were different valued tiers. Stonehaven had 1 and then added until it didn't make sense, then created a new tier of value. Ed had 3 tiers to start and added to them at different rates and models. It worked out extremely well, I think and would LOVE to see that here!

Something like Mantic's could work fairly well also - you have a few different "Army" packages - 1 Army, 2 Armies, 3 Armies etc. You need to be able to choose which one you want, not something like "This is the Aenglish level, This is the Goblin level etc".

Then you would get a small discount for every extra Army you backed for, IE the 3 Army level should be cheaper than 3x the Single level.

For adding value, set it at a dollar limit that is around the 2x Army pledge and say "Pledges of the 2x Army , or totaling over $120 (or whatever)" will receive 1x Stretch goals. Pledges over $250 (or whatever) get 2x Stretch goals.

You may also want to offer a further incentive for not splitting pledges. For example with Mantic, many people split their pledge over 2-3 accounts in order to maximise the free mini's they got.

However, if you kept everything in one pledge of over $500, you got access to the exclusive Resin Hero sculpt. It wasn't much, but may have gotten a few people to stick with it saving Mantic the cost of a few hundred free mini's per person.

In other words, if you make your "Core pledge" level too attractive you will find many people won't go above it but will instead order multiples of it. Fine line to walk. While the total money coming in will be the same as if multiple people backed so it's not technically an issue, you are still running a business so need to try and encourage people to not "game" the system to save costs.

Just as long as there's options to buy just the minis I want, I don't really care although a goblins / bonebacks package would be fantastic, of course (with the ability to add more goblins / bonebacks).

When/where can I purchase the horsemen and wolves?

 Homenutt wrote:
When/where can I purchase the horsemen and wolves?

My guess would be that after Tre ships all the kickstarter stuff he will put what's left into his shop. Hopefully that's next 1-2 weeks. I am not sure how much will be left though.

@Tre,
While i know this new campaign will primarily be about the Aenglish, Goblins and Dwarves, is there any chance of the HelsMaidens being included if the campaign can get high enough? They were the unit i most wanted to see funded in the previous KS.

Also will you be producing a limited Ed. Model for the new campaign?

Some pics of the huge boxes of stuff that you are fulfulling the previous KS with would probably be a good idea as well as as many pics as possible of the models for the new KS.

I know I had trouble finding decent pics of the bonebacks online (everybody has the same small picture of the greens), making it harder to realize how good they were without the testimonials of others, and then finally seeing them with my own eyes- at which point I realized they were even better than I thought

Ed Fortae has post some photos of the RGB production molds to his facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.472746612761674.94757.100000790181165&type=3

(hopefully the link works)

I don't know jack about casting, but it looks like he's done something funky to deal with the undercuts in tre's horses, to keep them single pieces? I think?

Don't expect your KS1 figures anytime soon, though:

RBG Tre
Re: Kickstarter Retool Campaign v. II.............. T-minus..........
« Reply #108 on: January 18, 2013, 10:45:24 AM »
As for the official word on KS1 fulfillment. I am due to receive the test samples of Yrsa next week. I wanted to be CERTAIN that figure is castign properly BEFORE casting 100's of copies beign that almost every single order has that figure in. All molds are made now and Ed and Brian are working on the casting. Brian has been out sick with the Flu so the work has slowed down.

judgedoug
Re: Kickstarter Retool Campaign v. II.............. T-minus..........
« Reply #109 on: January 18, 2013, 10:59:29 AM »
Is Yrsa the last thing to be approved/cast? After you approve her test sample, then they can cast a couple hundred of her?

RBG Tre
Re: Kickstarter Retool Campaign v. II.............. T-minus..........
« Reply #110 on: January 18, 2013, 12:07:42 PM »
I have to approve Yrsa, and the horses and Conradt Warp and then we rock and roll.

So, basically, no chance of it being done anytime soon or of the KS1 figures reaching Australia before the second one ends. /sigh

Looking at the pics online though he could probably approve them right now. That's a brilliant system Ed's got going.

He posted that he submitted the KS for approval yesterday, and that it will be up by Tuesday!

I think he's Definitely planning to have every KS1 order shipped before KS2 ends. Unfortunately with the long ship time you usually experience, scipio, you might have to miss out on this :-/ but almost everyone else should get theirs before this one ends.

Look what I found on the shelf of my FLGS (note the artist name). Wish I could've gotten a better pic, I was wondering why I liked the sculpt on that one so much more than some of the others, and then I noticed who made it

http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/tre%20manor

Love his gnolls and orcs as well.

 scipio.au wrote:
Don't expect your KS1 figures anytime soon, though:

So, basically, no chance of it being done anytime soon or of the KS1 figures reaching Australia before the second one ends. /sigh

I'm in the US and still haven't gotten my figs :(

Ysra was one of the figs I selected. Looks like I shouldn't hold my breath waiting for it. Will look at the KS, but will not be supporting it. That Tre is starting to solicit money when he hasn't delivered everything from the first is not encouraging. Once the second one goes live, he will have to focus and support that one with continuous updates and show off new greens. Meantime, any remaining issues from the first one will get put on the back burner.

Several friends have been waiting to see how my figs would turn out and said they were planning to support his next one. I will have to tell them not to bother.

I can understand you not wanting to risk KS2 before seeing the results of KS1

(although personally I'm game even though I'm waiting too haveing gone for some of everything )

but I don't think Tre himself has too much to do to fulfil KS1, it's down to approving 6 casts on his end, then it's just Ed doing the work.

All Tre will need to do is post & pack when they arrive, but that's not brain work and can be fitted in around other stuff fairly easily

Unless he is locked in on the start date for the next one, he might be better suited to wait a month or so.

Taxes are a big thing in the US this time of year, and a plurality of potential backers will likely be getting a return of some form. Most people use that as a bit of funny money, so waiting until February or later would allow them to get in with that tax return money.

Plus, I would guess that scipio isn't the only one who is still waiting on their miniatures - and that can be a big drawback on getting people to bite twice.

He's said he's submitted it, and that it should be live by Tuesday at the latest

part of the reason for going early is that he needs to book a slot in Ed Fortea's (Trollforged) production timeline. If he looses the slot and another company gets in there it could stop things dead

(as Ed is the creator of and only caster using Trollforged material)

Edit: well Defiance games is playing with a version of the material (provided by Ed) but they can't handle it well and have their own production backlog to handle

Exactly... I understand folks not wanting to pledge until they've received their models, but with the exception of those who live where shipping time will be a month, the vast majority of KS1 backers should receive theirs before KS2 ends and all of them should be in the mail.

Please, Please don't act like that is the Only consideration on when Tre would start his second campaign.

Remember that the second campaign will focus on retooling existing sculpts, as well, not as many new ones.

He has to get in Ed Fortae's casting schedule, and he has to time this (imo) around other big kickstarters. Hopefully we are not leading him astray, but I have been among those who has told him the time is now to launch the campaign, given all those Other factors, and the fact that he will have shipped everything from KS1 before this ends.

I find the reaction above a bit disappointing, honestly. It'd be one thing if there were no updates, but there have been a lot of updates and we know Exactly what he's waiting on to fulfill the orders. Obviously, he's done some things wrong and there are a lot of lessons to be learned, but he's been honest and straight-forward about it.

Believe me when I say he Wants everyone to have their models in-hand before this ends. Not only for positive press, but because when you see his sculpts in-person (as I have now that I bought the metal bonebacks off ebay) most people get won over and love them. A few fall in the other camp and think they're too different from what they're used to.

So, he definitely wants everyone to have their orders as soon as possible. Why wouldn't he? From everything I can tell he's an awesome guy and one whom I will gladly support with my pledge, and who I hope people who pledged for KS1 will as well (and many have said they will). If you haven't received your stuff from KS1 by the time it ends, you can always cancel, or you could wait to receive your stuff before putting in your pledge. Completely up to you, but imo he's kept people in the loop on exactly the reason for his timing and it makes complete sense to me.

When I see what is in the next Ks I will see about a pledge. Interested to see if he makes some improvements like casting fragile weapons in metal or packing them differently. With a renewed interest in the lotr battlegame, it's a great time to be making miniatures of this style and quality in 28mm truescale.

 RiTides wrote:
He posted that he submitted the KS for approval yesterday, and that it will be up by Tuesday!

I think he's Definitely planning to have every KS1 order shipped before KS2 ends. Unfortunately with the long ship time you usually experience, scipio, you might have to miss out on this :-/ but almost everyone else should get theirs before this one ends.

Look what I found on the shelf of my FLGS (note the artist name). Wish I could've gotten a better pic, I was wondering why I liked the sculpt on that one so much more than some of the others, and then I noticed who made it

Yeah, it's a good model. I picked it up awhile ago. There's a few of Tre's figures in the existing range. I think I have them all

I can't say I'm not disappointed though. We've gone from "everyone will definitely have their orders before it ends" to "everything will be shipped before it ends (probably)". If there's still two or three more to be approved, you can bet it'll take another couple of weeks before that's done, then there's Ed's casting, shipping to Tre'...

Ah well.

But really, Tre' is by all accounts a nice guy, but we've been hearing "next week" and "in the next couple of days" nonstop for two months now, so it's become white noise that isn't worth the effort to believe. Of course he wants everyone to have their figures as soon as possible, so that's a bit of a non-argument.

I'd rather spend my discretionary spending money elsewhere for the time being. Certainly until I have some Trollcast in hand to check out for myself. With all due respect, there's lots of people who swear by finecast, too, as well as any number of other materials. I over-pledged more money than I wanted to spend on figures I don't have any need for in the first campaign, simply to support Tre's efforts, so I won't be considering pledging at all for this one aside from a dollar so I can see the updates. Yeah, I know it means that stretch goals don't get hit all that quickly, but that's life.

This whole experience does bring to mind some thoughts - if Ed's casting schedule is this difficult to work around, perhaps Tre' shouldn't discontinue his metal range. One guy getting sick for a week threw everything out severely. What happens if Ed breaks his leg or has a family member become ill or any of the myriad of things that happens in life happens? Offering the figures in two materials - traditional metal as well as Trollcast might be the safer option for Tre. You can always find more metal casters, but he's hitching his business' survival entirely to Trollcast and Ed's schedule here...

Yeah, believe me that I know where you're coming from, scipio. But for myself, I am definitely looking forward to the new KS!

Tre really needs to do an update with _precisely_ the status of the last few models and a _realistic_ eta for at least pledges being shipped. No hopeful wishful thinking, but hard reality.

If he still has to approve some models in person, it really could take another month or two for him to receive the model, approve it, then Ed make masters and cast a thousand of them, then ship to Tre, have Tre QC and pack and ship them.

But we've seen horse molds and Conradt warp molds on facebook; so they must have been approved? Maybe they're all being cast right now?

Tre! Give us details!

Everything has been mastered and approved and the moulds have been made for everything but 3 of the 4 horses.

what still has to be done is for Tre to check & aprove the casts that are produced by these moulds for Yrsa and one of Conrads form, along with the 1st horse (Ed's using a cunning new mould technique on them, so wants aproval before doing the other 3)

this should be reletivly quick as all it will take is one or 2 spins, then posting to Tre

After that casting for fulfilment can proceed (& mould production & aproval for the final 3 horses)

The one thing I'm not clear on is how fast Ed's post get's to Tre... In UK it would be trivial to make it 24-48hrs, but I've no feel for interstate postage in the USA