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as far as DE go, the poison weapons are in the fluff, "calibrated" to the foe they are facing. so for eldar wraith units, instead of poison it would be like some kind of moleculer acid or something. or it might contain an EMP charge to harm necrons etc.

the DE are generally pretty good at scouting and preparing for the target they are attacking, either that or the splinter weapons simply have a "mode selector"

this is even somewhat mentioned in the BRB. because otherwise you have one army thats just....impossible to beat with another.

considering that DE weapons are either splinter weapons (warriors, venoms, and just about every infantry unit without a special weapon) or lances... to make eldar units immune to poisoin - it would mean literally 80% of the DE codex would be USELESS against that army, and pretty much auto loose. i imagine that would be not a fun game for the DE side... tons for the eldar...the first 2 times. then the novelty wears off, and its like... why bother? unless your WAAC....or "THAT .... GUY"

edit: and if eldar get immune to poison, (wich is not even a rule btw) then tyranids would argue they should be immune, because they are ever adapting... then there is the necrons... everything is just a dead metal robot... what about orks? they are essentially a fungas. poison shouldnt even phase them. space marines? advanced bio upgrades make them shrug off all but the most potent poison, and even then they hardley care about it.... so DE would only be really effective against IG, sisters, and tau. wich would have THOSE factions wondering why they got the short stick...

Tpiddy wrote:
Like others have mentioned- i hope this means all these wraith units being released alongside an iyanden supplement is a precedent for eldar craft world releases. Biel-tan codex with more robust aspect options and aspects as troops? Yes please! Sam Hann supplement with updated bikes, vypers and new fast attack options? Yes please! Think about all the money we will throw at GW, and most of us will do it with smiles on our faces. It's diabolical.

I was going to say this sounds like a glimmer or hope, that the supplement would have enough rules to stand alone, and the models that minidex focuses on would come out in a later release alongside it. So new Aspect models would appear along with a BielTan dex that was self-contained. What a beautiful thing that would be.

Then I read further on and saw people saying the Iyanden book is just fluff. Very nice, I am a huge fan of fluff, but quite disappointing... I suppose they could release a fluff book for the other Craftworld's later, and time models to go with them, but I'm surprised to see no rules there...

CrimsonKing wrote:
I might be missing something by saying this, but I notice a lot of people are worried about the jetbikes, and what they are going to look like, and whether they will be the old ones or not. Did no one pay attention a few years ago when Dark Eldar came out, and the new jetbikes for DE came out, and they said that they made a template bike for the ELDAR as a race. For DE they threw more spikes and blades on it to make it look sinister, but that they have the Eldar jetbike already done, and they simply never released it, because thye were waiting for the new codex to release. Well that is what we will be getting. The new Eldar jet bikes are going to look very similar to the DE jetbikes. Whats the problem?

Yes, everyone was paying attention to the early pic of the updated jetbike. That's why they're complaining now, since the 'word on the street' is that GW are sticking with the current jetbikes for now instead.

gaurantee they are waiting for the first wave release for new bikes.


they want people to buy the wraith knight

One possibility is that the new 5 Dire Avengers for $35 is to bring them in line with the eventual new price structure for the new plastic other Aspect Warriors which will be sold the same way.

For example, when Savage Orcs were released at 10 models for $29, the existing Orc Boyz were changed from 19 models for $35 to the same 10 models for $29 to match the Savage Orcs. It appears GW may be doing a similar adjustment of the one existing plastic Aspect Warrior set to match the new ones as they are eventually released.

So 5-man Tac Squads for the same current price as 10 is in our future?

So 5-man Tac Squads for the same current price as 10 is in our future?

Count on it.

This is great news!

All the elite type troopers the past couple years have been 5 models for $33 US (e.g., Grey Knights Power Armor, Necron Lychguard) so it's not surprising to see 5 for $35. Perhaps that's what the 5 for $33 sets are going to in June.

I love the Eldar. They were my first army when I was a kid and they were my go-to army for years. I have always loved their lore, their psychic prowess and the art of war they brought to the battlefield through speed and trickery. I love everything about the army and I have stuck with them (when I still played 40K) through the many iterations.

But now, looking upon the Wraithknight, I am disappoint. I am sure there are people that love it and people that hate it - well I am one of those people that looks at it and grimaces at how forced it looks. It is a clear reflection of Games Workshop's business-to-codex mentality now. I mean, the Riptide seems to sort of a have a place in the Tau army, but the Wraithknight feels so phony. It all started with the Dreadknight - actually, I take that back - it all started with the Trygon and then GW decided that every army needed a sub-titan sized model. Ridiculous.

 puma713 wrote:
I love the Eldar. They were my first army when I was a kid and they were my go-to army for years. I have always loved their lore, their psychic prowess and the art of war they brought to the battlefield through speed and trickery. I love everything about the army and I have stuck with them (when I still played 40K) through the many iterations.

But now, looking upon the Wraithknight, I am disappoint. I am sure there are people that love it and people that hate it - well I am one of those people that looks at it and grimaces at how forced it looks. It is a clear reflection of Games Workshop's business-to-codex mentality now. I mean, the Riptide seems to sort of a have a place in the Tau army, but the Wraithknight feels so phony. It all started with the Dreadknight - actually, I take that back - it all started with the Trygon and then GW decided that every army needed a sub-titan sized model. Ridiculous.

No seriously you didn't need to tell us you played eldar as a kid, it shows from your whining...
Seriously wtf is with the wraith knight hate??? It looks like a big wraithlord.. How does that not "have a place" in eldar? And if you really wanted to go back to where all this came from.. (Since you think trygon is where it started you must still be a teenager) it started with Dun Dun Duuuun the wraithlord.. A big tough monstrous creature that dwarfed the dreadnaughts.. Hmm a dozen ironic statements I can make here... Which to choose..

*sigh* Picked up two discounted boxes of the current 10 Dire Avengers, because I know that eventually I'll want them, and I don't much feel like paying the rumored prices.


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 Spazamataz wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
I love the Eldar. They were my first army when I was a kid and they were my go-to army for years. I have always loved their lore, their psychic prowess and the art of war they brought to the battlefield through speed and trickery. I love everything about the army and I have stuck with them (when I still played 40K) through the many iterations.

But now, looking upon the Wraithknight, I am disappoint. I am sure there are people that love it and people that hate it - well I am one of those people that looks at it and grimaces at how forced it looks. It is a clear reflection of Games Workshop's business-to-codex mentality now. I mean, the Riptide seems to sort of a have a place in the Tau army, but the Wraithknight feels so phony. It all started with the Dreadknight - actually, I take that back - it all started with the Trygon and then GW decided that every army needed a sub-titan sized model. Ridiculous.

No seriously you didn't need to tell us you played eldar as a kid, it shows from your whining...
Seriously wtf is with the wraith knight hate??? It looks like a big wraithlord.. How does that not "have a place" in eldar? And if you really wanted to go back to where all this came from.. (Since you think trygon is where it started you must still be a teenager) it started with Dun Dun Duuuun the wraithlord.. A big tough monstrous creature that dwarfed the dreadnaughts.. Hmm a dozen ironic statements I can make here... Which to choose..

Personally, the biggest beef I've got with the look of the WK is the overabundance of blisters all over the thing. That DOES stand out when looking at the line from WG all the way through the Phantom. Also not particularly thrilled with the "muscle" lines on the upper arms.

All fixable, to an extent, but they're going to be a pain in the butt to do.

I hope the giant ork unit will be a squiggoth and not a stompa. That thing is hideous, looks like Mrs. Buttersworth.

I like the new eldar giant, just not that price!

 Spazamataz wrote:
It looks like a big wraithlord...

I dunno, from the picture I've seen I would have said it looks like a super huge Guardian more. The head seems to be smaller, and the Wraithlord seems to emphasize very skinny arms and legs with little body at all.

 Spazamataz wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
I love the Eldar. They were my first army when I was a kid and they were my go-to army for years. I have always loved their lore, their psychic prowess and the art of war they brought to the battlefield through speed and trickery. I love everything about the army and I have stuck with them (when I still played 40K) through the many iterations.

But now, looking upon the Wraithknight, I am disappoint. I am sure there are people that love it and people that hate it - well I am one of those people that looks at it and grimaces at how forced it looks. It is a clear reflection of Games Workshop's business-to-codex mentality now. I mean, the Riptide seems to sort of a have a place in the Tau army, but the Wraithknight feels so phony. It all started with the Dreadknight - actually, I take that back - it all started with the Trygon and then GW decided that every army needed a sub-titan sized model. Ridiculous.

No seriously you didn't need to tell us you played eldar as a kid, it shows from your whining...
Seriously wtf is with the wraith knight hate??? It looks like a big wraithlord.. How does that not "have a place" in eldar? And if you really wanted to go back to where all this came from.. (Since you think trygon is where it started you must still be a teenager) it started with Dun Dun Duuuun the wraithlord.. A big tough monstrous creature that dwarfed the dreadnaughts.. Hmm a dozen ironic statements I can make here... Which to choose..

Wow, was I really 'whining' or sharing an opinion? Silly me, I thought discussion forums were for discussion. Obviously you missed the point of my post. The trygon is where this "monstrous miniature" trend started. You seem to think that a miniature that was released in 3rd Edition has any bearing on the discussion, which it does not. But, I'll humor you. You're right, a wraithlord from NEARLY 15 YEARS AGO has a lot to do with the 9" miniatures they're releasing now. And the one from 3rd Edition did not "dwarf the dreadnaughts", hell the ones now barely do. They are about the same size. That would be like saying that the reason they're releasing trygons now was because they released screamer-killers in 2nd Edition. Or, it could be that GW is on a tear of releasing humongous kits that don't fit the aesthetic of the army nor the fluff that will soon have to be retconned. It's funny that you assume I'm a teenager when you're clearly showing your age. Or perhaps just your mental age. Irony indeed.

Ah, GW continues its formulaic approach to codex/model releases by ensuring another new army has a big creature slot, this time filled by another oversized robot thing. It's becoming predictable. Further proof to my belief that GW just doesn't have any real imagination left that hasn't been stifled by years of corporate money grabbing.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:

So 5-man Tac Squads for the same current price as 10 is in our future?

Count on it.

Sickening, going to buy a couple boxes and then sling them for $50 on eBay when the codex gets released.

:edit:

puma713 wrote: It is a clear reflection of Games Workshop's business-to-codex mentality now. I mean, the Riptide seems to sort of a have a place in the Tau army, but the Wraithknight feels so phony.

shade1313 wrote:*sigh* Picked up two discounted boxes of the current 10 Dire Avengers, because I know that eventually I'll want them, and I don't much feel like paying the rumored prices.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Ah, GW continues its formulaic approach to codex/model releases by ensuring another new army has a big creature slot, this time filled by another oversized robot thing. It's becoming predictable. Further proof to my belief that GW just doesn't have any real imagination left that hasn't been stifled by years of corporate money grabbing.

MUH geedubs
MUH armiezz
What is this 2001? God, no wonder Geedubs is still around because you people are so helplessly enslaved that it's actually pretty pathetic. Seriously though get yourselves together, you're grown adults crying about this

So, I'm "crying" about this because I went and bought (at a discount to the current price, mind you) some miniatures that I know I'll want in a few months, rather than waiting and paying double the current NON discounted price for them?

Riiiiiight.

If that scale pic of the wraith knight is correct, doesn't that mean it's almost if not as tall as a Forgeworld Warhound titan?

O.o

I still find all of this complaining and moaning over these RUMORS to be entertaining. What ever happened to the good ol "I will believe it when I see it" attitude?

As people people complaining about the WK....Continue, but just let it be known that you have been ninja'd 10 pages too late.

shade1313 wrote:
So, I'm "crying" about this because I went and bought (at a discount to the current price, mind you) some miniatures that I know I'll want in a few months, rather than waiting and paying double the current NON discounted price for them?

Riiiiiight.

The whole pity-party "*sigh* " makes you sound spineless and like it's something that you were forced to do. Be opportunistic. Buy a couple extra and sell them to other people. Embrace the change or you'll end up on a toy soldier forum crying to deaf ears.

Ah, so you inferred something and have decided that I'm "spineless", and have decided what my future course of purchases and resale ought to be.

Good for you. I'm not interested in reselling or flipping minis. I'm interested in getting what I want for future use now, before likely price hikes, that I can presently afford. But if I could make you feel all condescendingly pleased with yourself, I suppose I'll be glad to help your ego.

'nuff said.

shade1313 wrote:
Ah, so you inferred something and have decided that I'm "spineless", and have decided what my future course of purchases and resale ought to be.

Good for you. I'm not interested in reselling or flipping minis. I'm interested in getting what I want for future use now, before likely price hikes, that I can presently afford. But if I could make you feel all condescendingly pleased with yourself, I suppose I'll be glad to help your ego.

'nuff said.

Nope, all I did was infer. Thanks for the ego boost though bud, I had the hot water running and the razor blade all ready till you saved my life

Eldar Wraithknight
This box contains a multipart plastic kit that makes one Eldar Wraithknight, this completely new Walker stands a massive 9 inches tall and can be constructed with a variety of armaments to fulfill a range of battlefield roles.

Emphasis mine.

Has no one caught this yet? Since its capitalized, wouldn't that make you think its a walker and not a MC? Or am I just crazy?

The latest from the guy on Heresy Online is that its an MC with the current Wraithlord S and T

Goobi2 wrote:
What came first, Yu-Gi-Oh! or Dire Avenger Shimmershields?

I dunno for sure, but still lets not act like this is the first Eldar model with that type of arm accessory.

Its time to r-r-r-r-r-roll!

 puma713 wrote:

 Spazamataz wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
I love the Eldar. They were my first army when I was a kid and they were my go-to army for years. I have always loved their lore, their psychic prowess and the art of war they brought to the battlefield through speed and trickery. I love everything about the army and I have stuck with them (when I still played 40K) through the many iterations.

But now, looking upon the Wraithknight, I am disappoint. I am sure there are people that love it and people that hate it - well I am one of those people that looks at it and grimaces at how forced it looks. It is a clear reflection of Games Workshop's business-to-codex mentality now. I mean, the Riptide seems to sort of a have a place in the Tau army, but the Wraithknight feels so phony. It all started with the Dreadknight - actually, I take that back - it all started with the Trygon and then GW decided that every army needed a sub-titan sized model. Ridiculous.

No seriously you didn't need to tell us you played eldar as a kid, it shows from your whining...
Seriously wtf is with the wraith knight hate??? It looks like a big wraithlord.. How does that not "have a place" in eldar? And if you really wanted to go back to where all this came from.. (Since you think trygon is where it started you must still be a teenager) it started with Dun Dun Duuuun the wraithlord.. A big tough monstrous creature that dwarfed the dreadnaughts.. Hmm a dozen ironic statements I can make here... Which to choose..

Wow, was I really 'whining' or sharing an opinion? Silly me, I thought discussion forums were for discussion. Obviously you missed the point of my post. The trygon is where this "monstrous miniature" trend started. You seem to think that a miniature that was released in 3rd Edition has any bearing on the discussion, which it does not. But, I'll humor you. You're right, a wraithlord from NEARLY 15 YEARS AGO has a lot to do with the 9" miniatures they're releasing now. And the one from 3rd Edition did not "dwarf the dreadnaughts", hell the ones now barely do. They are about the same size. That would be like saying that the reason they're releasing trygons now was because they released screamer-killers in 2nd Edition. Or, it could be that GW is on a tear of releasing humongous kits that don't fit the aesthetic of the army nor the fluff that will soon have to be retconned. It's funny that you assume I'm a teenager when you're clearly showing your age. Or perhaps just your mental age. Irony indeed.

Oh my god he's still whining...... seriously you wouldn't last a day here in Oz

I'm a bit curious as for what role in the eldar army the knight's supposed to fill. We already have the lord as a fairly good anchor with heavy weapons. Is this just the next step? Are they going to lower the survivability of the lord so this one takes it's place and why should we then even bother to get the lords?

Also. Of course there's a lot of comparison to the lord as it seem to be rather slow (no visible jet-packs) and kind of looks like one, but as it's piloted by a living eldar it might just as well be a vehicle (walker) Would that be a good idea?

I for one likes the look of it, but why didn't they put on a jet-pack? It's NOT a wraith-construct! and there's no reason then (IMHO) to add a slow eldar war machine. The eldar as I know them relies on lightning fast strikes with grav tanks, jetbikes and fleet of foot infantry. (yes, I play Saim-hann).

This thing doesn't really fit ranger armies... or wraith armies... or wind riders... or swordwind... What role is it supposed to fill that the eldar's lacking?

Sorry for the long post, I'm not quite awake yet
*sips tea*

GTKA666 wrote:
I still find all of this complaining and moaning over these RUMORS to be entertaining. What ever happened to the good ol "I will believe it when I see it" attitude?

As people people complaining about the WK....Continue, but just let it be known that you have been ninja'd 10 pages too late.

This... so many people are whining and moaning about gak that hasn't even been confirmed... (seriously it reminds me of all those neck-beards bitching about how the new transformer movie 'ruined their childhood' cause bumblebee was diff..)
seriously so many post complaining that of course the rest of us are going to hit you up on it....

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Eskrigian Guard wrote:


So we can run, shoot, ignore armor saves with shuriken catapults on a to wound roll of 6, with our super cheap guardians?...



Bye bye TEQ and MCs

Because nothing says 'dying race' like hoards of suicide beserkers charging at you.

There's the real reason the Eldar are dying race. Guardian Armour and military doctrine.