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I thought those Fire Dragons looked off...

Goobi2 wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:

 Sangarn wrote:
Taloi are T7 and are a lot more bulkier than their CWE counterpart btw
wraithlord should be T6 imo :p

LOL great point! Did Wraithlords used to be T7 at one point?

Well, they used to be vehicles. But as far as I remember, they have always been T8.

In the 3rd edition rulebook, (the major transition from 2nd edition to 3rd where we went from two dozen models to 40ish for a 1500pt game) there were unit details printed for every (ok, most) unit of every major faction. From memory, they were toughness 7 in the Eldar section of that rulebook and were until the Eldar codex was released.

Starting to get a bit worried. We're getting another assault unit (wraithblades), and yet I've seen very little about addressing the fact that we already have 3 assault units (if you count guardians) with no way of transport. I can see some possible addresses to this (run-shoot-run, some vague mention to a WS ability, Cast-able conceal) but I was really hoping for a delivery system above all else.

BrotherVord wrote:
People complaining about the price of the giant elder walker need to look at the price of warmachine gargants. They're only 15 dollars less but considerably smaller.

GW sucks fat ones for a lot of reasons....this is not one of them,

Doesn't matter.

GW act like and make us feel bad for buying their stuff.

Its like EA vs Valve, both make games, but only one makes you feel like you are getting screwed.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
So Wraithknights are the same size as a Revenant titan and a third the dollar cost. Should put an end to that whining.

Sounds like a line straight from the GW board room.

BrotherVord wrote:
People complaining about the price of the giant elder walker need to look at the price of warmachine gargants. They're only 15 dollars less but considerably smaller.

GW sucks fat ones for a lot of reasons....this is not one of them,

I bet you can guess what else I'm not buying.

Being a slightly better value than another terrible value doesn't make it a good value. Bad>Awful, but Bad will never equal Good.

BrotherVord wrote:
People complaining about the price of the giant elder walker need to look at the price of warmachine gargants.

Why do I need to look at Warmachine? I don't care about Warmachine. My choices are not "Either GW or Warmachine". My choices are "GW or every other game and/or model that exists, or nothing at all." GW's job is to justify their constantly increasing prices to me on their own merits, not by making some silly comparison to one other similar company.

Seriously could the people constantly whining about the cost issue FRAK OFF and create a new thread already, since the mods of dakka seem to be half the problem it's obviously no good asking them to keep this thread on topic..

brassangel wrote:Sadly for the complainers, GW's volume of sales has increased

Where are you getting that tidbit there, and are you able to attribute it to model sales and not every retailer having to dump their existing stock of paint and replenish from scratch? Their revenue increased less than 7% between 2011 and 2012, in a year with massive price hikes and the aforementioned complete turnover of all paints stock, trying to argue that they've seen meaningful sales growth is...very difficult.

GW's plastic technology is better than any other in the industry. That is NOT debatable. The detail is sharper than PP's resin Colossals; far easier to assemble and trasnport too. Oh, and it comes with loads of extra bits and makes more than one, static-pose figure. And it's priced similarly for being a massive model.

Figure-for-figure, GW's models are of a higher quality, and the prices are pretty much the same across the industry.

None of which explains things like apparent doubling the price on a 7 year old kit like Dire Avengers however The big guy is one thing, but it's stuff like parting out the DA's and effectively doubling their price that honks people off. That said, even accounting for inflation over the last 6 years as well, the Wraithknight is more expensive at launch than the Baneblade was, by ~10%, and, though large, isn't of the same size, nor does it look like it has a larger number of sprues.

 Breotan wrote:
With all the models in the Eldar range that need updating and only the "Wraith_____" stuff actually being done, why aren't they just calling this "CODEX IYANDEN"? Sucks for you guys hoping for updated jetbikes.

QFT. Also for the people that loved Biel-Tan and other Aspect Warrior-centric armies, it seems like barely a new release. Aspect Warriors were always one of the most exciting and unique parts of the Eldar army and (so far, anyway) it seems that their models were largely ignored. Okay for some I guess, since they won't have to buy anything save the codex.

However, I guess GW could be setting themselves up for a series of Craftworld-based supplements and then waves matching each one. They will each include an across-the-board price hike, no doubt.

Edit: the Dragon Riders are pretty exciting though. Players have been waiting on those for 4 Editions.

Da Butcha wrote:

 wowsmash wrote:
Love the new eldar stuff but I will not be starting an eldar army after all. Their prices are getting beyond reason for me at this point. I have my orks but I can put two and two together. The pricing going out of control has me on the edge of keeping my orks or selling them and turning to another game. Really sad since I love 40k and fantasy. I want to make high elves and eldar and even some tau but its just two crazy on the prices.

Yeah, these prices aren't just getting ridiculous. They are starting to feel like the GW version of Abercrombie & Fitch. Instead of not making larger sizes because they don't want their clothing seen on fat people, GW seems to be making items more expensive just because they don't want average wage-earners participating in their hobby.

I love the 40k and Fantasy universes, and I've been a hard-core collector of their books, as well as someone who buys a stupid amount of 'hobby-related' stuff (Gamer's editions, tape measures, store opening merchandise, etc.). The prices just feel like GW is trying to position themselves as a luxury brand simply by charging a luxury price, rather than by producing a superlative quality product that necessitates a high price. It makes me feel like GW doesn't want me as a fan any longer. Me or the skint college kids, or the 9 year olds, or any middle class/blue collar fans.

I feel like they might as well stop selling their product entirely, and start up a GW club, with a $10,000 entrance fee and free armies.

Again, this isn't an "I can't afford the Wraithknight" moaning session. I can afford one. Hell, I could probably buy three if they weren't competing for slots with Wraithlords. It's a lament that GW seems to be developing and marketing everything exclusively towards those consumers who are entirely price-insensitive, and not those of us who have a limited amount of recreational dollars and make decisions on what to spend them on.

Ok. Mr. Burns is amused. Give your models to the homeless like the AF campaign is doing. Been in this long enough to remember 2 rhinos a box. Is the cost increase annoying? Yep, is it expected? Yep. Do I care? Not really, I just buy less, and even then, I trade/secondhand to get what I want.

xttz wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
So Wraithknights are the same size as a Revenant titan and a third the dollar cost. Should put an end to that whining.

Revenants are 12-13" tall, compared to 9" for the Knight. It's not quite on the same scale, but it would still make a decent proxy for people on a budget.

Theres a dude who made a sick titan out of toothbrushes, seriously.

Morachi wrote:

 Sangarn wrote:
Taloi are T7 and are a lot more bulkier than their CWE counterpart btw
wraithlord should be T6 imo :p

eh, I wont be surprised if they drop the toughness. Zerkers lost an attack, anything can happen.

Dark Eldar also use bits of scrap and exotic materials to build their stuff, CWE do not, they use Wraithbone, a far stronger substance. That is why its T8 and not 7 or 6. The stuff is used to construct Craftworlds, of course it is going to be durable.

Dildos, CD playersm chickenwire, and chechnyan children.

Lastly, PP model cost is irrelevant/ period.

 puma713 wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
With all the models in the Eldar range that need updating and only the "Wraith_____" stuff actually being done, why aren't they just calling this "CODEX IYANDEN"? Sucks for you guys hoping for updated jetbikes.

QFT. Also for the people that loved Biel-Tan and other Aspect Warrior-centric armies, it seems like barely a new release. Aspect Warriors were always one of the most exciting and unique parts of the Eldar army and (so far, anyway) it seems that their models were largely ignored. Okay for some I guess, since they won't have to buy anything save the codex.

However, I guess GW could be setting themselves up for a series of Craftworld-based supplements and then waves matching each one. They will each include an across-the-board price hike, no doubt.

And QFT to you, sir. I think it's kinda weird that the flyer is called Wraith-ship, or whatever. Isn't the Wraith thing about being a deceased Eldar's spirit? And doesn't the flyer have a (living) pilot?

But even more I want to second your statement about the Aspect Warriors. I have loved them since 2nd Ed. I am really puzzled that they didn't take this opportunity to do a coupld of dual-build kits to cover at least 4 Aspects in this release. Instead we get the over-priced mini titan that NO ONE DEMANDED, instead of, besides Aspect Warriors, say, new jetbikes that ALMOST EVERYONE DEMANDED.

It is possible that they're going to do later waves, and this is jut the Iyanden "Wraith-wave"™ Maybe there will be an Aspect/Biel-Tann wave , a bike/vehicle/Saim-Hann wave , new Rangers/Alaitoc wave, new Warlocks/Ulthwe wave ...

...though honestly, GW doesn't inspire much confidence on this account. It seems like a brilliant idea - which is precisely why I don't think it's all that likely.

-C6

You have no one to blame but yourself if you keep buying it, however. The continued sales tell them what they do is not only tolerated, but encouraged.

 Starfarer wrote:
The continued sales tell them what they do is not only tolerated, but encouraged.

Ok, this is chafing me:
what the man above said is accurate and rings like a bell flailed by helen keller.

Dat plastic crack.

Seriously, while I understand people being annoyed by the increases, you really can't say times are hard and this is an attack on your survival. You still have electricity, food, living space, and essentials right? Remember, Its toy soldiers in a game designed and produced by a company that intends to sell toy soldiers. If you can't come to grips with that, you should really step back from the table, breathe in, and find a more fulfilling, less emotionally charging experience for you.

These are first world problems, dawg.

As for the models, I like the little comparison they made, with the knight next to the other two wraith items, I feel a bit more entertained now by its size. I'm kinda hoping that the legs and hips will be posable, as I can think of a lot of things I want to base it kicking.... maybe poor people in wheelchairs.

Re: Aspect warriors - after buying them because the models are sweet, I can't really say I'm surprised that they were not redone. The cases in most cases are fine. While warp spiders look like they are carrying a tool from a proctologist office, it serves a purpose, and its not as if the most recent iterations shown of them, such as dawn of war, have shown them differently. If the rules are good, I could give three rat anuses less if the models look like nagash.

As for halving the dires, I sure am glad I loved the models enough to have accomplished painting sixty. Booyakasha! Guardsmen got the same treatment back in the day....and everything else.

Nocturnus wrote:
They don't want to lose their Wraithlord to tactical marines.

My pieces of unfathomably powerful ancient stargods sheathed in unknowable technology shed a metallic tear for you.

 Starfarer wrote:
Wow, the Wraithguard are bigger than it seemed from the previous pics. This is really testing my will to start an army for 40k again. The Wraithknight is actually too big for my liking. A Bright Stallion still would've been cooler, and I'm wondering if a realistic conversion of one that counts as a WK could be done without costing a fortune. That head need to be supersized in either case.

I'm thinking the same thing as you do.

I've found this pic of a bright stallion conversion, it look good and doesn't seem hard to do, since theyr is almost no green stuff involved. Tough I have no clue how it was made

http://voidhunters.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/building-eldar-bright-stallion.html

This appears to be the guide to building it, or an alternate at least.

 Starfarer wrote:
You have no one to blame but yourself if you keep buying it, however. The continued sales tell them what they do is not only tolerated, but encouraged.

Which is why they don't get a penny from me.

thank you kind sir

 Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:
They don't want to lose their Wraithlord to tactical marines.

My pieces of unfathomably powerful ancient stargods sheathed in unknowable technology shed a metallic tear for you.

Nice. Dirty Necrons...

streetsamurai wrote:
thank you kind sir

You're welcome.

I think that the 4 kits required for the build still work out cheaper than the Wraithknight.

Has anyone got an insight as to how the Crimson Hunters Exarch will work?

Will this mean we will need 3 flyers with one being upgradableto an Exarch? I woould assume that not every CH will be upgradable, but buying a Squadren could get expensive.

resipsa wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
The continued sales tell them what they do is not only tolerated, but encouraged.

Seriously, while I understand people being annoyed by the increases, you really can't say times are hard and this is an attack on your survival. You still have electricity, food, living space, and essentials right? Remember, Its toy soldiers in a game designed and produced by a company that intends to sell toy soldiers. If you can't come to grips with that, you should really step back from the table, breathe in, and find a more fulfilling, less emotionally charging experience for you.

These are first world problems, dawg.

Ok, see, nobody's saying that this is a life or death problem, but just because it's a "first world problem" doesn't make it a non-issue. I see it as a big problem that I may soon be priced out of 40k as it's something I love very much and a hobby that means a lot to me. So no, I won't die if the models get too expensive, but I'd still be losing something important, and not just losing it but pretty much having it taken away by the very company that makes it. Most other hobbies don't have this issue, like I'll never be priced out of reading or feel like publishing companies no longer want my business, so it sucks to get so invested and then have GW keep making it harder and harder to stick around.

resipsa wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
The continued sales tell them what they do is not only tolerated, but encouraged.

Ok, this is chafing me:
what the man above said is accurate and rings like a bell flailed by helen keller.

Dat plastic crack.

Seriously, while I understand people being annoyed by the increases, you really can't say times are hard and this is an attack on your survival. You still have electricity, food, living space, and essentials right? Remember, Its toy soldiers in a game designed and produced by a company that intends to sell toy soldiers. If you can't come to grips with that, you should really step back from the table, breathe in, and find a more fulfilling, less emotionally charging experience for you.

These are first world problems, dawg.

You're here talking about how it's chafing you that people are complaining about prices? First world problems much?

News flash, humanity revolves around money, when people start getting "chafed" by prices, they are gonna start talking about it. Plenty of people are buying less or moving to other companies because of prices and though it's a first world problem, discussion about it is fine in my book. We are, after all, on the information super-highway discussing little toy men from all corners of the globe, it's very much a first world topic, the associated problems tend to also be quite first world.

GW's prices haven't affected my life in any meaningful for about 12 years, back when I was buying models with money I was earning doing chores. Just because it's not a life or death situation doesn't mean it doesn't piss me off. The main reason it pisses me off is it as it becomes less worth the money they ask, the less I want to continue collecting, but at the same time I have existing collections I've sunk huge amounts of time in to (the time bothers me more than the money).

If Phil Kelly is writing this codex, I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not. One of the bad things I've started to notice about him is he has a really nasty habit or making dead weight units. See Flashgits, Mandrakes, Bloodbrides, Warp Talons, and Mutilators. Probably more.

BTW this isnt a topic about price bitching or unfathomably enthral long conversations about first world problems.... This is a thread about the upcoming eldar... I know crazy right??

Mime wrote:
Has anyone got an insight as to how the Crimson Hunters Exarch will work?

Will this mean we will need 3 flyers with one being upgradableto an Exarch? I woould assume that not every CH will be upgradable, but buying a Squadren could get expensive.

It could work like the fighta ace upgrade for the dakka fighter- you pay x amount of points for an upgrade to BS and the ability to strafing run everything (or maybe slightly different)

Wow. That Wraithknight is just, unbelievably huge. My god.

I'm just going to pick up the Codex, for now. With Phil Kelly writing it, it will at least make competitive choices and garbage choices real clear, since he has such terrible internal balance.

I'll have to really take some time to figure out if I want to keep my Eldar, or not.

Not like Cruddace or Ward have ever done that


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 Wilytank wrote:
If Phil Kelly is writing this codex, I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not. One of the bad things I've started to notice about him is he has a really nasty habit or making dead weight units. See Flashgits, Mandrakes, Bloodbrides, Warp Talons, and Mutilators. Probably more.

 Wilytank wrote:
If Phil Kelly is writing this codex, I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not. One of the bad things I've started to notice about him is he has a really nasty habit or making dead weight units. See Flashgits, Mandrakes, Bloodbrides, Warp Talons, and Mutilators. Probably more.

I am hopeful. Phil LOVES Eldar so I anticipate they will get some love. But I agree, he has created some of the worst units in game (looking at you Mr.Mandrake).