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 Sasori wrote:
I still can't get over the size of the Wraith Knight. It just doesn't seem 40k Scale to me.

I wonder if it will have Hit and Run, to avoid getting tied up in melee.

I keep seeing people post with absolute certainty that the WK has jump/jet packs, but where is everybody getting this from? Surely not from the model itself. Is there something in the battle report that indicates it has jet packs? Seems kind of absurd that a model as huge as the WK also has jet packs, especially given that none of the smaller wraith units have them.

How much of that has been confirmed? How do we know taking two weapons isn't still twin-linking? How do we know Wraithsight isn't even worse than before?

At least in the usual codex rumor threads it's people playing that army complaining about being weak (before they know enough). This time we've already decided one 250 point model is going to destroy every other army.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
Seems kind of absurd that a model as huge as the WK also has jet packs, especially given that none of the smaller wraith units have them.

Wraithguard/lords not having them doesn’t really set a precedent for the Wraithknight, especially when its larger cousin (the Revenant) has large booster jets on its shoulders that it zips around on.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I still can't get over the size of the Wraith Knight. It just doesn't seem 40k Scale to me.

I wonder if it will have Hit and Run, to avoid getting tied up in melee.

I keep seeing people post with absolute certainty that the WK has jump/jet packs, but where is everybody getting this from? Surely not from the model itself. Is there something in the battle report that indicates it has jet packs? Seems kind of absurd that a model as huge as the WK also has jet packs, especially given that none of the smaller wraith units have them.

It was posted on a release sheet to retailers.

 King Pariah wrote:
I'm not going to lie. As a necron player, if the Wraithlord gets to keep T8, I'm going to be at least a tad bit disgruntled.

Oh yes that will be such a terrible fate in the army that can spam S7 like no tomorrow.

 Ravenous D wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:
I'm not going to lie. As a necron player, if the Wraithlord gets to keep T8, I'm going to be at least a tad bit disgruntled.

Oh yes that will be such a terrible fate in the army that can spam S7 like no tomorrow.

Not what I meant at all. When I started playing 40k, there were two units that had S10 T8, My beloved Nightbringer, and the Wraithlord. So when the newcron codex came out, i was a little annoyed that C'tan lost that T8 but understanding that Ward's fanwank fluff made it so. Simply put, still a tad butthurt and as I said, will be at least a tad bit disgruntled if the Wraithlord gets to keep it's T8.

I can't even tell you how happy I am about plastic Wraithguard/blades

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
I can't even tell you how happy I am about plastic Wraithguard/blades

Agreed. Iyandan was going to be my first army back in 3rd but I couldn't afford an all metal army. It will be nice to finally build it now.

 Eldarain wrote:

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
I can't even tell you how happy I am about plastic Wraithguard/blades

Agreed. Iyandan was going to be my first army back in 3rd but I couldn't afford an all mrtal army. It will be nice to finally build it now.

I already have a Siam-hann army but I've had a DIY Craftworld that I created years ago and I'm finally going to make just because these models exist!

No new plastic aspect warriors makes me sad panda. ;(

shade1313 wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:
I am really excited to see what changes they've made to the Avatar. Of course it means I will have to order a Forgeworld one. I think my GF is going to murder me.

I think I'm going to have to build the FW Avatar I've had sitting around for years. Then, I get to decide at the beginning of the game which of the three sizes I want to field.

I have been trying to keep up with all the news but with all the Static I missed that the Avatar is changing.

What are the changes? (and yes I did check the first page )

Mime wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:
I am really excited to see what changes they've made to the Avatar. Of course it means I will have to order a Forgeworld one. I think my GF is going to murder me.

I think I'm going to have to build the FW Avatar I've had sitting around for years. Then, I get to decide at the beginning of the game which of the three sizes I want to field.

I have been trying to keep up with all the news but with all the Static I missed that the Avatar is changing.

What are the changes? (and yes I did check the first page )

No one still knows if there's going to be any kind of new Avatar model. The third size I referred to is the OLD Avatar, on 25mm base, about the height of the current WG minis.

I try not to judge people but there's a few orc players on here that are plain whining. I told my 12 year old girl about the eldar and she sinply said "ill beat them". I mean damn guys adapt and overcome. I've had every army at one time or another and I've never just assumed I couldn't beat another army. Their is always a way. Stop looking at what you can't do and start looking at what you can do.

Mime wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:
I am really excited to see what changes they've made to the Avatar. Of course it means I will have to order a Forgeworld one. I think my GF is going to murder me.

I think I'm going to have to build the FW Avatar I've had sitting around for years. Then, I get to decide at the beginning of the game which of the three sizes I want to field.

I have been trying to keep up with all the news but with all the Static I missed that the Avatar is changing.

What are the changes? (and yes I did check the first page )

The only change that has been confirmed is that the Avatar has Fleet now, as it is mentioned in the battle report in the White Dwarf (and with Fortune on him he chops his way through a C'tan, so he is obviously still pretty solid in assault). Its still the same model.

yellowfever wrote:
I try not to judge people but there's a few orc players on here that are plain whining. I told my 12 year old girl about the eldar and she sinply said "ill beat them". I mean damn guys adapt and overcome. I've had every army at one time or another and I've never just assumed I couldn't beat another army. Their is always a way. Stop looking at what you can't do and start looking at what you can do.

This.

We'll find a way to fong it

I usually run three wraithlords in my Iyanden-style list and rarely see all three live through a game. With a wraithseer granting 4+ FNP, they tend to stick around a little longer, but I usually have them hug cover if the seer's attending the wraithguard. T8/3+ may sound formidable on paper, but all it takes is three bad cover saves against AP1-3 shots and they're out. Low AP weapons usually have higher strength, so your any melta, plasma, missile launcher, or lascannon equivalent are going to get the job done.

Those might be rare in some armies, but common enough in my meta that I lose at least one lord in most my games.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Two Wraithlords also have 6 wounds, Toughness 8, and a 3+ armor save.

In the games I have seen at least two Wraithlords on the table, two wraithlords were dead by the end of turn one 100% of the time. Every single game.

T8 and 3+ isn't tough, not even with 6 wounds. It's fool's gold, and anyone who uses it deserves what they get.

That's odd because my regular Eldar opponent fields 1-2 WL regularly, and they almost always survive until the end of the game. T8/3+ is far more survivable than you are letting on,

Around here, armies tend to have 12-15 lascannons, most twin-linked, at 1500 points. Is that not common for you?

That amount of LC seems odd in my experience in the current meta. lots of everything in the way of heavy weapons but aside from "eleventybillionvendettas" guard lists, that amount would be very rare. Even with guard, lots more 3xAC and ML/plasma gun units around; marines take a lot of different stuff but really surprisingly little lascannons.
Really though, what kind of list has 12-15 LC, most twin linked at 1500? that would be a LC razorspam list, a vendetta list or something really weird. not all that much that can throw that amount of twinlinked lascannons around - one per dread doesn't really add up all that much either (and in any case I usually see those taking either twin AC or single assault cannon too...)

 Bolognesus wrote:

Really though, what kind of list has 12-15 LC, most twin linked at 1500?

Anything with Dark Angel or Space Wolf battle brothers.

I'm deffinatelly tempted to paint more Eldar now as I think my DIY theme will bee good for a Wraithguard army. As for play, I'm not competitive so I just play for the fun. Win or loose.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Anything with Dark Angel or Space Wolf battle brothers.

Perhaps in your area, but point of fact is that that isn't widespread. I NEVER see Lascannons around here unless someone decides to bring a Land Raider or the like, which is rare. The Meta seems to favor Plasma Spam/MLs and ACs. Plus, a lot of people tend to tool lists in local games anyway. Anyone at a Tournament won't spam that many LCs, at least from what I know.

To assume there are that many LCs out there is a pretty good stretch of a claim in that many lists. Especially now that everyone knows it is an Infantry Edition rather than tanks, tanks and more tanks.

Not to mention we don't know that much about the WK other than a few stats. A rumor was that it could UPGRADE from a 5++ to a 3++; even then, you can get a 4++ from Divination. If that is true, those LCs aren't that scary. Especially with Fortune and god only knows what else in the Psychic Powers we haven't seen yet.

Lastly, there is already talk of the tournament Eldar lists including 3x of them because it'd be 18 T8 wounds, which is horrendous. They think that because 12- 15 LCs at 1500 pts isn't that common, or else they'd laugh it away. It's merely local and something you experience. No one else has chimed in with it.

Just stating the majority facts, as far as I know. No offense intended, just it's your experience as it were.

As a Space Wolf player, I wouldn't be too overly worried about T8 Wraithlords. Though I myself am not the biggest fan of LF, I usually pack at least 4 missiles and a LL.

Is anyone else worried about the sheer size of that thing?! forget about T8 W6, how can you even take a cover save from that thing.....Wraith Knights.....gak like that should stick to apoc games

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
Seems kind of absurd that a model as huge as the WK also has jet packs, especially given that none of the smaller wraith units have them.

Wraithguard/lords not having them doesn’t really set a precedent for the Wraithknight, especially when its larger cousin (the Revenant) has large booster jets on its shoulders that it zips around on.

Its also possible that it simply moves as jump infantry to represent the fact it has absolutely massive legs (ala super heavy walkers that can move 12" per turn)

 King Pariah wrote:
I'm not going to lie. As a necron player, if the Wraithlord gets to keep T8, I'm going to be at least a tad bit disgruntled.

Why? death marks counter the WL VERY well... Wounding it on 2+ with rapid fire kills it first time nearly every time.

He already explained why...

King Pariah wrote:Not what I meant at all. When I started playing 40k, there were two units that had S10 T8, My beloved Nightbringer, and the Wraithlord. So when the newcron codex came out, i was a little annoyed that C'tan lost that T8 but understanding that Ward's fanwank fluff made it so. Simply put, still a tad butthurt and as I said, will be at least a tad bit disgruntled if the Wraithlord gets to keep it's T8.

Jacob29 wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:
I'm not going to lie. As a necron player, if the Wraithlord gets to keep T8, I'm going to be at least a tad bit disgruntled.

Why? death marks counter the WL VERY well... Wounding it on 2+ with rapid fire kills it first time nearly every time.

Do the math. I don't think so. This model has 6 wounds and a 3+ armour save.

yellowfever wrote:
I try not to judge people but there's a few orc players on here that are plain whining. I told my 12 year old girl about the eldar and she sinply said "ill beat them". I mean damn guys adapt and overcome. I've had every army at one time or another and I've never just assumed I couldn't beat another army. Their is always a way. Stop looking at what you can't do and start looking at what you can do.

It's not just Ork players.
A lot of people are moaning at how ott Eldar are.
They've always been like this imo.
I've taken over 200 losses against them in over 2 decades of gaming. Not a single victory. Have I moaned? Not once. Just go back and try again.

I for one am selling off my armies and joining our new Space Elf rulers.

I've said for years I'll play Eldar if they get plastic WG and a new dex. Finally... its here.

I like the new models. Wraithguard / Wraithblade, Hemlock/ Nightshade flyer, Ilic Nightspear - looks very good.
The Spirit seer, Wraithknight and new farseer is ok. The new rules seems interesting - new psychic powers (I love to have warlocks that have stronger powers then before. I hardly saw them as psychers. I would love to see the Shadowseer with some kind of additional power). Shuriken catapults and dire avenger getting better.
And I'm very exited to see what will happened with the aspect warriors - dark reapers, howling banshees will they worth taking again?
I love that the Hemlock has a Spiritseer as a pilot - maybe he also will be abel to take different psychic powers?

There has been many rumors that didn't came true and I think it was to much stuff to be believable.
New avatar sculpt, new Swooping hawks and warpspiders in plastic, new jetbikes/shining spears, skychariot with some special character, black warden, exodite dragon riders, corsair eldritch raiders, new special characters and exarchs... and some people wished for the old Solitaire.

The biggest disappointment - no new Jetbikes.
They look too old especially the riders. The Hawks and Spiders is also in need of new models. Hawk wings too small and Spiders kind of clumsy.

But I hope they will resculpt them someday - for now I will be happy with al the nice thing this Codex bring.

 Spartan089 wrote:
Is anyone else worried about the sheer size of that thing?! forget about T8 W6, how can you even take a cover save from that thing.....Wraith Knights.....gak like that should stick to apoc games

Place a small amount of its base in area terrain.

Mind = Blown.

Oh I see! You mean how can anything get a cover save from IT.

Well, KFF... Aegis defence line... Vehicles.... Buildings. Luckily you draw line of sight from the models eyes and Wraithknights don't have eyes.

So it can't shoot at anything anyway.