Eldar rumours (Preorder pics added to first post)

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**Enigma**

Theorius wrote:
360 on the wraith knight it definitely has a jet pack.

Really? Can't say I agree :/

**Popenfresh**

There, fixed it. I wonder if I can convert it to this...

**Tyranid Horde**

That looks worse, sorry.

**Maelstrom808**

AegisGrimm wrote:
Yeah, you just have to have more money to access at any one time!

Overall price isn't everything. Sometimes I only have thirty dollars to spend on my hobby stuff, not seventy-five.

And even if i did, if I only needed one Vyper, before this I could spend the other now-45 dollars on something else.

Singles are still available it seems. If you buy a three-pack though, you get a discount...like a normal business.

**Popenfresh**

Curse yer honesty! But yeah it pales compared to the old wraith units.

**praetor24**

Jesus, these prices are ouch! I mean do they mean it seriously?

**AegisGrimm**

Singles are still available it seems. If you buy a three-pack though, you get a discount...like a normal business.

But.... is that only because the 3-pack is a preorder? Or will the singles go away once it hits general release?

If both are options- then it's perfectly fine. But it seems like it could go either way with GW lately.

**stargasm**

HOLY gak! they have managet to raise the price of 10 dire avengers by £17. That is INSANE!

**Kroothawk**

AegisGrimm wrote:
But.... is that only because the 3-pack is a preorder? Or will the singles go away once it hits general release?
If both are options- then it's perfectly fine. But it seems like it could go either way with GW lately.

Singles will go away from stores ... not sure about mail order.
The three Eldar squadrons other than jetbikes (Vypers, War Walkers, Platforms) are mail order only.

**insaniak**

I'm a little confused by what they are doing with the Oz prices here. Comparing to the US prices, some stuff, like the Wraithknight and the Farseer, are very close in price. Other stuff, like the bundles, the Oz prices are still nearly double.

Weird...

**hotsauceman1**

Im scared of fighting it, I bet it is T7 with a 2 save

**Ovion**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Im scared of fighting it, I bet it is T7 with a 2 save

You mean the Wraithknight that's been confirmed at T8 with a 3+ save?
It's basically 2 Wraithlords strapped together.

I'm also tempted to do something like this:
http://voidhunters.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/building-eldar-bright-stallion.html
For a Wraithknight when I come to doing my Eldar.

**hotsauceman1**

Ok 3+, I can deal with that.
Still scared. I need poison weapons NOW

**stargasm**

I was really looking forward to this release, and the only good thing is that bikes come in packs of 3 with a slight discount. Doesn't look like my small eldar force will be getting any bigger any time soon.

**bit81**

just read the new white dwarf battle report was dull as hell

But what realy p*ssed me off was the £20.50 for 5 crap dire avengers same old crap sculpts was £23.00 for 10 last week now £20.50 for 5 of the exact same models thats near enough an 80% increase for f*ck sake

Time to put armys on ebay and find something better

While I'm sure other's agree with your basic sentiment on the pricing structure, let's refrain from making (even in jest)--threats of arson or planned murder. Thanks, Ryan.

**stargasm**

I can't believe the neglected to update the jetbikes. They are some of the games ugliest model.

**Ascalam**

Or plasma, lascannons, missiles...

It's really not that big a biggie..

A T 10 GUO with 3+, 5++, FNP and IT WILL NOT DIE - that's a biggie deserving of breaking out the poison

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hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok 3+, I can deal with that.
Still scared. I need poison weapons NOW

**stargasm**

bit81 wrote:
just read the new white dwarf battle report was dull as hell

But what realy p*ssed me off was the £20.50 for 5 crap dire avengers same old crap sculpts was £23.00 for 10 last week now £20.50 for 5 of the exact same models thats near enough an 80% increase for f*ck sake

Edited by AgeOfEgos

Time to put armys on ebay and find something better

I saw this kind of thing coming, but honestly thought the most would be £15.50 per box (same as Marine Combat Squad of 5 similar models) I really want to ask how they justified in their offices that this was a reasonable amount to charge. They must think people are utterly stupid, and that by switching to 5 man boxes people wouldn't notice the increase. That said, GW has used this tactic in the past with fantasy (Remember when most infantry boxes came with 20 men? now its 10 for the same price!) but that at least involved some nice new sculpts and about a 30/40% increase rather than, what may as well be a full 100% increase.

The only plus side? when i sell my dire avengers they will be worth more.

**pizzaguardian**

This thread somehow went back 40 pages with "why didn't they updated this and omg dire avengers price". (no pun intended just an observation)

I just placed my order of a plane, codex+psychıc cards, should clench my thirst.

**shamikebab**

Well I went with Codex, Wraithguard and Spiritseer. Not a massive fan of the rest of the models.

**hotsauceman1**

I am loving the plane, IT looks like a real flyer, like it can actually fly.

**Crimson**

Yes, an arson and hiring a contract killer to commit a mass murder are perfectly reasonable responses to a price hike...

**Miguelsan**

Honestly I don't know why veteran Eldar players are complaining about the DA price increase.

At this point of time people should have enough DA already and because the meta of 6th Ed is moving to big MC and fliers the best way to reward GW for their excellent new DA box art that obviously adds so much value to our games is to buy exactly 0 new boxes of DA.

New players... I feel their pain but that's what Ebay or Bartertown are for.

M.

**Goliath**

bit81 wrote:
just read the new white dwarf battle report was dull as hell

But what realy p*ssed me off was the £20.50 for 5 crap dire avengers same old crap sculpts was £23.00 for 10 last week now £20.50 for 5 of the exact same models thats near enough an 80% increase for f*ck sake

Edited by AgeOfEgos

Time to put armys on ebay and find something better

"I don't like price gouging, therefore I will fantasize about killing hundreds of GW Staff." - Way to keep a level head there.

Related note, I never thought I'd hear myself say this but I'm fairly sure the Support Weapon bundle saves you £6.50. Did GW actually just give people a saving?

Also also, I was hoping on buying a wraithknight at some point, as £50 with 20% off is kind of justifiable -ish if I really wanted it. £70 is well out though. I could buy a FW Mega Dread for that kind of money, or if I wanted a really big £70 model, I'd buy a Stompa or a baneblade.

**Ovion**

Miguelsan wrote:
Honestly I don't know why veteran Eldar players are complaining about the DA price increase.

At this point of time people should have enough DA already and because the meta of 6th Ed is moving to big MC and fliers the best way to reward GW for their excellent new DA box art that obviously adds so much value to our games is to buy exactly 0 new boxes of DA.

New players... I feel their pain but that's what Ebay or Bartertown are for.

M.

It's as much the principle of it as anything though - an 80% price hike on models that are what... 15-20 years old for no apparent reason?

**Popenfresh**

Am I naive to think the DA price boost will go hand in hand with a powerbuff? I know this was brought up earlier but do we have any confirmed humors on their stats other that the Shuri boost?

**Hulksmash**

Interestingly the shoulder weapons for the WK look to be super easily magnetized which is nice.

**KaryudoDS**

AegisGrimm wrote:
Singles are still available it seems. If you buy a three-pack though, you get a discount...like a normal business.

But.... is that only because the 3-pack is a preorder? Or will the singles go away once it hits general release?

If both are options- then it's perfectly fine. But it seems like it could go either way with GW lately.

I don't remember seeing them fielded in squadrons very often. I suppose if GW simply sold them that way though it would be more common. At least at first if it didn't really work. I'm surprised you don't have Speeder 3 packs on shelves for that matter, but I would prefer both options.

Miguelsan wrote:Honestly I don't know why veteran Eldar players are complaining about the DA price increase.

At this point of time people should have enough DA already and because the meta of 6th Ed is moving to big MC and fliers the best way to reward GW for their excellent new DA box art that obviously adds so much value to our games is to buy exactly 0 new boxes of DA.

New players... I feel their pain but that's what Ebay or Bartertown are for.

M.

But if I ever need more and want a new box I'm paying double!

True I probably wont need em though. I've got a full squad and usually take Rangers or Guardians after that anyway. Few months ago though I picked up a pair of boxes at a store 30% off though funny enough before hearing about any price increase, just seemed like a good deal. I've yet to assemble them but I probably will and at 30 DA I think I should be okay... for awhile. I hope.

**pizzaguardian**

And from the description of the limited edition codex there is actually not even different artwork inside. Even the page number is the same.

**Spartan089**

-Shrike- wrote:
People keep saying that Lascannons are a good counter to the monstrosity that is the Wraithknight, but has anyone actually done the maths on this yet? [this all assumes ~250 points for the Wraithknight, 6 Wounds at T8, with a 5++]

Revenant Titan - will take around 21 lascannon hits to destroy, on average, although in reality it will take fewer hits because of the vehicle damage table. This is the equivalent of around 8 CSM Havoc Squads, so about 1200 points, the cost of the Titan.

Wraithknight - will take around 14 lascannon hits to destroy. This is the equivalent of 5 Havoc Squads, so about 800 points, triple the cost of the Wraithknight.

Then we compare the cost of the two constructs. THREE Wraithknights are cheaper (points-wise) than ONE Revenant. Together, those three, which are now perfectly legal in a 40K army, will take 42 Lascannon hits to destroy, or 15 Havoc Squads (2400 points), or 5 Havoc Squads (using double FOC, but only at 2000+pts) over three turns.

Tl,dr: You need to gear your entire army to killing this in almost any game, or focus on the rest of his army and take the objectives.

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People keep saying that Lascannons are a good counter to the monstrosity that is the Wraithknight, but has anyone actually done the maths on this yet? [this all assumes ~250 points for the Wraithknight, 6 Wounds at T8, with a 5++]

Revenant Titan - will take around 21 lascannon hits to destroy, on average, although in reality it will take fewer hits because of the vehicle damage table. This is the equivalent of around 8 CSM Havoc Squads, so about 1200 points, the cost of the Titan.

Wraithknight - will take around 14 lascannon hits to destroy. This is the equivalent of 5 Havoc Squads, so about 800 points, triple the cost of the Wraithknight.

Then we compare the cost of the two constructs. THREE Wraithknights are cheaper (points-wise) than ONE Revenant. Together, those three, which are now perfectly legal in a 40K army, will take 42 Lascannon hits to destroy, or 15 Havoc Squads (2400 points), or 5 Havoc Squads (using double FOC, but only at 2000+pts) over three turns.

Tl,dr: You need to gear your entire army to killing this in almost any game, or focus on the rest of his army and take the objectives.

This^^^^ The wraith knight seem too broken on paper, 240 points for T8W6 with a ap2 instant death weapon. This + plus the size of model seems like a transparent ploy to sell what surly will be a very expensive model in three's to all Eldar players whose vehicle based armies are now nerfed into the ground....bravo GW