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ClockworkZion wrote:

Griever wrote:
Still hate the random insertion of massive new models in lieu of updating the outdated aspect warrior range. I refuse to buy anything fine cast so I may be in trouble with Eldar . Sure you can make an army without them but then it doesn't feel like Eldar.

Most of those Aspects are from 2007. There is a LOT older out there that GW needs to update.

Additionally, consider the pace of the releases, then consider that GW operates just like a company like Hasbro does: they have a budget for their releases in each quarter. GW probably can't afford to do all the updates everyone wanted. Imagine the nerd rage if only one or two of the Aspects got updated but the others didn't.

I think GW handled it correctly and will do the Aspects all at once instead only a couple at a later date. Plus it means they'd be able to suck more money out of you later instead of all at once.

It also has to do with how deep our pockets are and keeping things fresh for later.

If they released EVERYTHING EVERYONE wanted for eldar NONONE could buy it all.....so they release new stuff now to build the wave, and replace old stuff later, once every dex is updated.

I wish more people looked a bit further than the end of their nose.....

Finally taking the plunge and going digital on White Dwarf, just for the Eldar bits.

I take it because it's digital, there's more to it?

Puscifer wrote:
From what I've read and been told about Guardians and Avengers, Guardians are going to be much better than Avengers.

Rumoured at 6pts for a Guardian with Shuriken Catapult that can run and shoot per shooting phase. Apparently this extends to the weapons platform too.

Avengers are rumoured to still be 12 points each and get the longer ranged Shuriken Catapult and better stats.

If this is true, the Guardians will be a much better investment.

With 12" range guns, they still only get to shoot on Overwatch, so still worthless.

Puscifer wrote:
Finally taking the plunge and going digital on White Dwarf, just for the Eldar bits.

I take it because it's digital, there's more to it?

You get a video discussion of the battle report, some spinny pictures of the models and some pan and zooms of some of the pictures. Otherwise it's the same. Don't get me wrong, it's not bad, you get a little more for the same cost, but some of this stuff is on the website for free.

The new "faq" for the new eldar book, lol is for the shadowweaver.

Based on that errate the shadowweaver got a nice bump! new thinks are, ap6, barrage, and monofiliment, nice!


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 DarknessEternal wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
From what I've read and been told about Guardians and Avengers, Guardians are going to be much better than Avengers.

Rumoured at 6pts for a Guardian with Shuriken Catapult that can run and shoot per shooting phase. Apparently this extends to the weapons platform too.

Avengers are rumoured to still be 12 points each and get the longer ranged Shuriken Catapult and better stats.

If this is true, the Guardians will be a much better investment.

With 12" range guns, they still only get to shoot on Overwatch, so still worthless.

Even IF the guns are still 12" they get two cool new abilities

fleet (reroll run dice)
battle focus (they can shoot then run, or run then shoot)

SO that means they can either move forward 6" shoot you then RUN BACKWARDS.....

OR

move 6" RUN TOWARDS YOU THEN SHOOT YOU making thier range with a 12" gun....18" minimum (then you run back) or you go forward another 3-4" on average and shoot making the gun 22" range...

we also dont know if you can then charge after doing all that....which would be awesome.


BY THE WAY

battle focus seems to be on almost every eldar. The preview page from the dex when you reorder it the firedragon and warp spiders have it...

IMAGINE THE POSSIBLITIES!!! ELDAR ARE NOW FAST LITTLE BASTARDS WITH GUNS!! I LOVE IT!!

Warp spiders with jetpacks, warp generators.......fleet....and battle focus....wow....tau got nothing on that (oh and warp spiders have hit and run)

open your minds to the POWA!!!

wow - amazingly lazy painting on the Spiritseer (the underside of the robe).
Yes, I know that's very, very picky of me, but my first lesson in painting was "Don't forget the underneath!"

... the staff is pretty hideous, and will probably get an arm-swap... maybe for the spear arm of the Farseer? An axe would be nice, but I'm guessing that the proportions would be way off if I used one of the Wraithblade axes... (not that that has ever stopped GW designers... lol)

The new boxes are quite nice. I like them a lot!

Griever wrote:
Still hate the random insertion of massive new models in lieu of updating the outdated aspect warrior range.

Outdated? You realise that Aspect Warriors are one of the most consistently updated ranges in all of 40k? Eldar have just received their fourth Codex in the history of 40K, and this is the only time the majority of the Aspect Warriors haven't been updated?

Looks like the Eldar are going to get the Tau treatment in terms of global stock levels. We're already being prepped in Aus for no stock (unless you go to Games Workshop themselves and pay their insane prices).

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/529143.page

£70 for the Wraithknight - wow, just wow

New marketing looks cool, wraith stuff looks amazing, DA price gauging is lame.

Stop complaining about old Aspect models... *goes back to painting Sisters of Battle*

And I thought the Riptide was FUGLY...

Seriously the Newcrons range, Helldrake, Dinobots, Flying Churches, Slaneesh chariot, Tau flyer and now Wraithknight, GW is on the run...

Some great models like Broadside or DA knights there too, also Eldar flyer looks good on 360. They're in minority though, pretty bad for best model soldiers in the world.

 Ravenous D wrote:
If anyone buys the LE dex, then I'll be first to tell you you're an idiot for paying $60 for a dust jacket.

This, honestly, was the biggest letdown for me.

I had been planning to eagerly await release, spamming refresh on the GW homepage to get the lowest number I possibly could on the Eldar LE Codex -- especially after how beautiful the Tau one turned out.

Now, I can't even bring myself to do it. It's at least double the price for a mismatched, hastily and poorly-designed dust jacket ... and a book with a couple of placemarker ribbons? Talk about heartbreaking.

Beyond that, I'm surprised everyone keeps complaining about Aspect Warriors not being redone (perhaps with the noted exception of Warp Spiders and Shining Spears). Where we really need resculpts are in Jetbikes, Phoenix Lords, Warlocks, and the Avatar.

After that, it should honestly be Guardians and probably Vypers.

the dire avengers price raise is truly insulting. The box will be 10$ more than a box of Helion.
Doesn't make any sense at all

Where did the rumor come from about the knight having 8 wounds? Is that confirmed?

The wraithknight is only $10 more in australia!! Obviously still a ridic price, but at least I don't have to search the internet trying to find one for hours.

To be honest, i quite like the phoenix lord models, as old as they are
I agree about aspects though.
Only need to update spiders and spears.

Other than that, pretty decent release.

I can't believe the jetbikes haven't been re-done TBH. Weren't these first released with 2nd edition 40K? they really look old school compared to every thing else.

 tuiman wrote:
Where did the rumor come from about the knight having 8 wounds? Is that confirmed?

T8 with 6 wounds as per the WD.

To me the most interesting part of this release, aside from the gorgeous Illic Nightspear, is the new bundle boxes for Vypers, War Walkers, and Support weapons-- bundle boxes that actually provide a substantial discount!

Is GW learning?

ClockworkZion wrote:

 tuiman wrote:
Where did the rumor come from about the knight having 8 wounds? Is that confirmed?

T8 with 6 wounds as per the WD.

Thanks

 Jackal wrote:
To be honest, i quite like the phoenix lord models, as old as they are
I agree about aspects though.
Only need to update spiders and spears.

Other than that, pretty decent release.

I agree, overall, that the release is pretty decent. Honestly, outside of the huge letdown that the LE Codex was (at least, for me personally), I quite like everything we got. I honestly don't think the Wraithknight is "that" crazy in price, especially when you consider what you actually "can" buy it for it if you just dig a bit.

As far as the Phoenix Lords ... well, to each their own I suppose. I like Karandras still, but every time I see Jain Zar's hair I literally facepalm. lol

Let's just hope that there's going to be a Saim Hann release wave with an updated bike / spear combo kit. I think that would go a huge ways toward patching up the holes left over.

I'm actually pleased they didn't redo the aspect warriors, the models still hold up for the most part and I really, really don't want to re-buy them.
Except Warp Spiders.

Theorius wrote:
The new "faq" for the new eldar book, lol is for the shadowweaver.

Based on that errate the shadowweaver got a nice bump! new thinks are, ap6, barrage, and monofiliment, nice!


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 DarknessEternal wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
From what I've read and been told about Guardians and Avengers, Guardians are going to be much better than Avengers.

Rumoured at 6pts for a Guardian with Shuriken Catapult that can run and shoot per shooting phase. Apparently this extends to the weapons platform too.

Avengers are rumoured to still be 12 points each and get the longer ranged Shuriken Catapult and better stats.

If this is true, the Guardians will be a much better investment.

With 12" range guns, they still only get to shoot on Overwatch, so still worthless.

Even IF the guns are still 12" they get two cool new abilities

fleet (reroll run dice)
battle focus (they can shoot then run, or run then shoot)

SO that means they can either move forward 6" shoot you then RUN BACKWARDS.....

OR

move 6" RUN TOWARDS YOU THEN SHOOT YOU making thier range with a 12" gun....18" minimum (then you run back) or you go forward another 3-4" on average and shoot making the gun 22" range...

we also dont know if you can then charge after doing all that....which would be awesome.


BY THE WAY

battle focus seems to be on almost every eldar. The preview page from the dex when you reorder it the firedragon and warp spiders have it...

IMAGINE THE POSSIBLITIES!!! ELDAR ARE NOW FAST LITTLE BASTARDS WITH GUNS!! I LOVE IT!!

Warp spiders with jetpacks, warp generators.......fleet....and battle focus....wow....tau got nothing on that (oh and warp spiders have hit and run)

open your minds to the POWA!!!

This and I can get two Guardians for one Avenger. Twice as many shots and wounds plus a heavy weapon.

Rumour has it that all Aspects are 3+ armour saves and yhat you can have a Wraithwing Army by taking the Spiritseer that unlocks them.

Only issue i now have, is i need 40, 40mm bases -_-
My beloved wraithguard now get a base upgrade and 3 more weapon options, nice

I do like the cheaper squad box's aswell.
I know its not much of a saving, but £18 each, or £47.50 for 3 still aint bad.

 Jackal wrote:
Only issue i now have, is i need 40, 40mm bases -_-
My beloved wraithguard now get a base upgrade and 3 more weapon options, nice

I do like the cheaper squad box's aswell.
I know its not much of a saving, but £18 each, or £47.50 for 3 still aint bad.

Wraithguard are 40mm bases now???

Honestly, I agree ... if I had to replace all my Aspect Warriors, I'd be grumbling a bit.

The only way I could have seen it is if they did combo plastic kits, which I was admittedly half-expecting ... I mean, if you head swap a Fire Dragon to a DA body and give him a different accessory belt / fusion gun, you'd probably never be able to tell the difference. Most of our infantry armor is compatible enough that with a few head sprues and weapon sprues we'd probably be good to go ... could maybe even do 3 types per box.

I don't know what to do about my Wraithguard. I've got 40 metal ones, but I'm completely in love with the new models ... I honestly might just replace them, as crushing as that would be. I had also thought about maybe resurrecting my old Ghost Warriors to stand in as Wraithblades (I have about 5 of each flavor of Ghost Warrior), but I dunno. Maybe for a nostalgia / retro list. lol

Ho man, just saw the Aus price on Dire Avengers after a friend living in Canberra pointed it out to me...next to Forgeworld prices...a unit of 10 Dire Avengers in Australia would net you 20 Death Korps of Krieg infantry or Grenadiers, an Eldar Lynx Superheavy grav tank, 1 for 1 on Shadow Spectres, a Valdor Tank Hunter Superheavy, or 15 "early mark" Space Marines.


wow.

 warpspider89 wrote:
Wraithguard are 40mm bases now???

They're on 40mm in the new pics, yes.


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Carresuith wrote:
Honestly, I agree ... if I had to replace all my Aspect Warriors, I'd be grumbling a bit.

Why would you 'have' to replace them...?

After 5+ pages of practically nothing but pricing issues, may I be the first to say that the Eldar jet is the sexiest plane in the game.