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Ok so it comes with weapons at the very least. That's nice. Don't really get why the EML would be worth more than the others though.

 Crimson wrote:
I too could care less about that, although my level of caring is still not terribly high. How much less could you care?

At least have the decency to link to what you're talking about.

Looks like GW will start Q1 with a bang! They ended Q4 with Tau and High Elves. Should be interesting to see their year end financial statements.

I will be picking up some stuff with this release since I was able to find some dire avengers this last weekend and avoid the 5 for $35 rush that ensued shortly after...

Same here. My 10 arrived yesterday. I figure I will make 2 exarchs out of the kit, since I have about 18 metal ones from 2nd edition.

 Crimson wrote:

GTKA666 wrote:

if that is true then WW got better and I could care less if they are open topped since....well evrything else is going to have been blown up

I too could care less about that, although my level of caring is still not terribly high. How much less could you care?

I care less than an ork player loosing a few ork boys in a 30 man squad.

 Carthuun wrote:
Same here. My 10 arrived yesterday. I figure I will make 2 exarchs out of the kit, since I have about 18 metal ones from 2nd edition.

I would be looking for cheap Jetbikes before anything else, Avengers weren't great before and they really haven't changed that much.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ok so it comes with weapons at the very least. That's nice. Don't really get why the EML would be worth more than the others though.

 Crimson wrote:
I too could care less about that, although my level of caring is still not terribly high. How much less could you care?

At least have the decency to link to what you're talking about.

Because GW have gone from having no idea how to price heavy anti tank/Lance weapons in 5th to have no idea how to price anti air weapons in 6th. In an army full of quasi rending weapons the value of a flexible weapon like the Missile Launcher drops, but they clearly don't realise that.

KaiyaA wrote:

Darge wrote:
Alright! Weapons section is complete. All the new weapon profiles have been added(from Raziel's list at least) Might not be able to get Psychic Powers done till tomorow, but I might get relics added in later tonight.


http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463557/5671458.page#5671458

Just wanted to express my appreciation with what you're doing here. I for one dislike the chaos and lack of organisation on the 4chan boards and it's so much easier and simpler the way you're doing it here. Thanks a lot!

Lol I couldn't agree more about 4 chan, I've never even been on it before yesterday, god that's an awful layout(couldn't keep me away from eldar rumors though XD). It's what made me start compiling the info as I did just for myself, it occurred to me later that I should probably share XP. I'm gonna go back in and update some more info based off some leaked photos i found.

For those that want to see them check out yriel.blogspot.com and check his latest post. His blog is a really good read and he posts semi frequently.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What does the War Walker get for that 60 points? 60 points is a lot of points in this Hull Point-filled world.

It gained BS4, a 5++ sv, and comes with two weapons base that cause twin linking if the first hits.

Darge wrote:

KaiyaA wrote:

Darge wrote:
Alright! Weapons section is complete. All the new weapon profiles have been added(from Raziel's list at least) Might not be able to get Psychic Powers done till tomorow, but I might get relics added in later tonight.


http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463557/5671458.page#5671458

Just wanted to express my appreciation with what you're doing here. I for one dislike the chaos and lack of organisation on the 4chan boards and it's so much easier and simpler the way you're doing it here. Thanks a lot!

Lol I couldn't agree more about 4 chan, I've never even been on it before yesterday, god that's an awful layout(couldn't keep me away from eldar rumors though XD). It's what made me start compiling the info as I did just for myself, it occurred to me later that I should probably share XP. I'm gonna go back in and update some more info based off some leaked photos i found.

For those that want to see them check out yriel.blogspot.com and check his latest post. His blog is a really good read and he posts semi frequently.

Yeah I ended up just pressing "ctrl f" and searching Raziel to find his posts. It's just awful in general.

I'm looking at the blog now. Quite decent analysis and summary of the codex! Thanks for the recommendation!

4Chan's a weird place, but you get used to the layout eventually.

 D6Damager wrote:
It gained BS4, a 5++ sv, and comes with two weapons base that cause twin linking if the first hits.

I keep forgetting about the BS4. That's important. Must remember that.

I've been trying to plow thu the rumors so I know how to build my two boxes of dire avengers. Anyone have any recommendations on how I should build the exarchs? I'm assuming units of 10 will be solid?

 D6Damager wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What does the War Walker get for that 60 points? 60 points is a lot of points in this Hull Point-filled world.

It gained BS4, a 5++ sv, and comes with two weapons base that cause twin linking if the first hits.

Scatters have this rule, not Shuriken, and they only work if you have a 2nd weapon that is not a Scatter Laser. The wording of the rule means you fire all weapons with Laser Lock (i.e all Scatter Lasers) first.

I debate how useful that really is though.

I mean, Scatter Laser/Bright Lance.

You fire the Scatter Lasers on all three WW's first. Assume that one from each of them hits (pretty easy with 4 shots at BS4). So now you've got 3 twin-linked Bright Lance shots and you'll probably get 3 hits. Whereas 3 WW's with 2 BL's each... is 4 hits at BS4. Why do you need the "laser lock" ability at all?


It certainly ain't no marker light...

The most common loadouts before was Dual Catapults (w/ Bladestorm) and Power Weapon / Shimmershield (combo'd well with Defend). Dual is now "Twin Linked", which is not a good investment for a BS5 character unless it's really cheap.

The new Exarch powers are all defensive oriented, so I could see value in having a Power Weapon / Shimmershield DA squad be on the front lines - have a counter assault ready, though.

Without having a good feel for run+shoot I'm not really sure about any of this, though.

Quark wrote:
The most common loadouts before was Dual Catapults (w/ Bladestorm) and Power Weapon / Shimmershield (combo'd well with Defend). Dual is now "Twin Linked", which is not a good investment for a BS5 character unless it's really cheap.

The new Exarch powers are all defensive oriented, so I could see value in having a Power Weapon / Shimmershield DA squad be on the front lines - have a counter assault ready, though.

Without having a good feel for run+shoot I'm not really sure about any of this, though.

in other words, test like your a new player and once you have a new feel for the lovely Eldar your lists will soon change less and less and then you will have "your list".

Unfortunately Laser lock doesn't work like i posted in my info(havn't had a chance to update it yet with new info)

Laser Lock only works on the Model that fires the Scatter Laser, so every War Walker will have to have one and most other vehicles will just have their shuriken cannon twin linked(fallons can have 4 S6 AP 6, 2 S8 Ap 2 twin link shots, and 3 S6 AP 6 twin link shots though so that's not terrible.)

But for Guardian's it will be useless so Star Cannon or Bright Lance will be better suited I think. Whats really Nice is having 3 different weapon options with three different targets for the same 15 pts
Scatter Laser-Anti horde
Star Cannon- Anti TEQ or MEQ
Bright Lance- Heavy Armored Vehicles

So it makes altering lists really easy, to bad for 25 pt EML....

Actually a TL pulse laser kinda sounds tantilizing for a Falcon....Quick and reassuring way to take out the fast DE zippers. It can even hold a small squad of fragons that can melt away another tank or whatever the falcon didn't kill (a landraider).

Nvs wrote:


They need to errata the DE so Drazhar can stand toe to toe with Karrandras

He cant? What makes Karrandras so good? Does he have an invul save now? Drazhar is an IC munching beast

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I mean, Scatter Laser/Bright Lance.

You fire the Scatter Lasers on all three WW's first. Assume that one from each of them hits (pretty easy with 4 shots at BS4). So now you've got 3 twin-linked Bright Lance shots and you'll probably get 3 hits. Whereas 3 WW's with 2 BL's each... is 4 hits at BS4. Why do you need the "laser lock" ability at all?

Depends how the rule works. If the scatter rule works on the whole unit (not just the vehicle), then you could go 1 scatter, 1 lance, plus 2 double lances. That's 5 lances re-rolling to hit, which is a bit better than 6 lances without re-rolls (plus the scatter laser).

 cincydooley wrote:
I've been trying to plow thu the rumors so I know how to build my two boxes of dire avengers. Anyone have any recommendations on how I should build the exarchs? I'm assuming units of 10 will be solid?

Honestly if you paying all the money for this game pins/magnets are a must.

I'd invest in a pen drill, Citidel makes one and I've used it and I quite like it, but any will do, the drill bits it comes with are good for pins(buy paper clips and cut them into like 2cm pieces, drill into the models are sockest about a cm and into each arm and either put the pins in each arm or in the torso it self. You can also use multiple pins to have fixed arm positions. Magnets require a larger drill bit or the use of a hobby knife(not recommended) and just glue the magnets in to the arm sockets and arms. On smaller bits(like this exarchs weapon options) I prefer pinning but to each thier own. Also remember the Exarch can use a Power Weapon so you can use any type other than the included Power Lance in the kit using extra bits from other kits.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat470006a&prodId=prod1095460


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GTKA666 wrote:
Actually a TL pulse laser kinda sounds tantilizing for a Falcon....Quick and reassuring way to take out the fast DE zippers. It can even hold a small squad of fragons that can melt away another tank or whatever the falcon didn't kill (a landraider).

Finally a reason to appease GW hard on with displaying Falcons with Scatter Lasers XP

Darge wrote:
Laser Lock only works on the Model that fires the Scatter Laser, so every War Walker will have to have one and most other vehicles will just have their shuriken cannon twin linked(fallons can have 4 S6 AP 6, 2 S8 Ap 2 twin link shots, and 3 S6 AP 6 twin link shots though so that's not terrible.)

Yeah my example was factoring that in (each WW w/1 Scatter Laser & 1 Bright Lance). It's not worth it. 3 TL Bright Lance shots aren't as good as 6 non TL BL shots. If it was one Scatter Laser to TL the squadron, then yes obviously that would be better (5 TL-Bright Lances > 6 Bright Lances), but sadly it isn't, and sadly it's a mostly useless rule that doesn't seem to have been completely thought through.

Regarding Illic Nightspear, are his special rules of having all his shots be precision shots and wounding on a 6 count as Instant death rules that he himself has or that his sniper rifle has? He sounds like a neat gunner for a Quad-gun since he also gets the split-fire warlord trait.

I'm also waiting to hear if the Avatar lost his MC status or not, as none of the sources have it as one of his special rules.

I am actually looking forward to all the new rules.

Especially regarding warp spiders and striking scorpions.

I will just have to wait for the actual codex because the devil is in the details.

Laser Lock would be an amazing rule on the Wraithknight if it could actually fire more than 2 weapons (hopefully its an oversight, but I'm not holding my breath). Otherwise you won't get a whole lot of milage out of the rule, you can twin link the Pulse Laser on a Falcon and underslung Cannons on Serpents/Falcons/Vypers but that's about it. Considering everything is BS4 you don't need the twin linking as badly, and you can usually get a Bright Lance for the same price now anyway.

@Oaka. All of Nightspears shots are precision, that isn't attached to his rifle. The wound on 6 causing ID is from the rifle though. If you take him you wouldn't put him on the Quad Gun in any case, he unlocks Pathfinders as troops (upgrade to Rangers) and they also always get Precision shots (regardless of weapon).

Powerguy wrote:
Laser Lock is amazing on Guardians, since you can basically Guide them for free (and since they aren't going to be firing the Catapults often you don't want to bring a psyker to do that for them). It would be an amazing rule on the Wraithknight if it could actually fire more than 2 weapons (hopefully its an oversight, but I'm not holding my breath). Otherwise you won't get a whole lot of milage out of the rule, you can twin link the Pulse Laser on a Falcon and underslung Cannons on Serpents/Falcons/Vypers but that's about it. Considering everything is BS4 you don't need the twin linking as badly, and you can usually get a Bright Lance for the same price now anyway.

Apparently that's not how laser lock works. It's for an individual model, not an entire squad. So if a wraithlord hit with a laser lock weapon it would have twin linked with it's other guns but it wouldn't work for a guardian squad.

Derp, yeah you are correct. My brain clearly isn't working properly (I have the codex lol)

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Darge wrote:
Laser Lock only works on the Model that fires the Scatter Laser, so every War Walker will have to have one and most other vehicles will just have their shuriken cannon twin linked(fallons can have 4 S6 AP 6, 2 S8 Ap 2 twin link shots, and 3 S6 AP 6 twin link shots though so that's not terrible.)

Yeah my example was factoring that in (each WW w/1 Scatter Laser & 1 Bright Lance). It's not worth it. 3 TL Bright Lance shots aren't as good as 6 non TL BL shots. If it was one Scatter Laser to TL the squadron, then yes obviously that would be better (5 TL-Bright Lances > 6 Bright Lances), but sadly it isn't, and sadly it's a mostly useless rule that doesn't seem to have been completely thought through.

That makes sense - I've just read two rumours regarding scatter lasers now, one that they only affect the model they're on, and one that they affects the whole unit. If it's the model only, then you're definitely correct (though we'll have to see if there are any price differences between the two weapons...)

Powerguy wrote:
Derp, yeah you are correct. My brain clearly isn't working properly (I have the codex lol)

No problem, happy to be the one explaining something for once! Wow how'd you get it early?

KaiyaA wrote:

Powerguy wrote:
Derp, yeah you are correct. My brain clearly isn't working properly (I have the codex lol)

No problem, happy to be the one explaining something for once! Wow how'd you get it early?

Some people are just better than us regular peons XP

Though this peon does have one question, well actually two.
1. Are there any force org shenanigans? Other than spirit seer, like autarchs or phoenix lords.
2. Does the phoenix armor come with the phoenix gem built in?

Much appreciated if you can answer powerguy. This has been bugging me for awhile.

Darge wrote:

KaiyaA wrote:

Powerguy wrote:
Derp, yeah you are correct. My brain clearly isn't working properly (I have the codex lol)

No problem, happy to be the one explaining something for once! Wow how'd you get it early?

Some people are just better than us regular peons XP

Though this peon does have one question, well actually two.
1. Are there any force org shenanigans? Other than spirit seer, like autarchs or phoenix lords.
2. Does the phoenix armor come with the phoenix gem built in?

Much appreciated if you can answer powerguy. This has been bugging me for awhile.

1. no
2. no idea never mentioned but i am guessing no....

Are direswords still the same or did they change them?