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But no one has got any confirmation on the possibility of having Autarchs unlock a few squads of aspect warriors as troops? That and letting banshees assault out of a Wave Serpent were all I wanted =(

 Kirasu wrote:

PredaKhaine wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
I'm just amazed that GW once again creates a crazy good unit (jetbikes) yet completely misses the boat on releasing a model.. The list continues! Drop pods, thunderwolf cav, tervigons, doom, wave serpents back in the day.

It's.. like no one there realizes how good certain units will be or popular they will become. That's not horribly surprising tho.

They still might

IIRC, the reason GW do all the new units first is so that they don't have to put up with things like the 4 million different model companies that started making thunderwolves when GW didn't immediately release one with the SW codex release.

I still reckon theres a second wave at some point.

Edit:And ninja'd

I have a hard time justifying waiting years for a second wave. Unfortunately I enjoy playing so I rather play now, not whenever they get around to releasing jetbikes they've had for 7 years. It's just irritating.

I heard a rumour that we're going to be waiting a month, but its not a 'good' source.
I'm going to wait a month and then see if its true.

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 Kirasu wrote:
I'm just amazed that GW once again creates a crazy good unit (jetbikes) yet completely misses the boat on releasing a model.. The list continues! Drop pods, thunderwolf cav, tervigons, doom, wave serpents back in the day.

Ahh... no. Not even close.

Drop Pods? Never had a model.
Thunderwolves? Never had a model.
Tervigons? Nope. Never had a model.
Wave Serpents? Did not have a model for a long time.

Jetbikes? They have a model. The same one for 15 years yes, and we'd like it to be replaced, but this is not at all a similar situation.

I thought the current ones were from 1994?

Coyote81 wrote:
I'm wondering if Warlocks will be useable by allies or are they only available if the primary detachment is eldar. I really want to bring a full 10 man jetbike squad with a warlock with shrouding. 250pts for 10 with 3x cannons and warlock. So much cheaper then before. Too bad the unit is LD 8.

The Seer Council is 1 per primary attachment and it seems to be the only way to buy warlocks. Honestly I don't think they need a warlock anymore. Since Runes of warding are also gone I bet Illic or the Spiritseer becomes the allied HQ of choice due to what they unlock.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
I'm just amazed that GW once again creates a crazy good unit (jetbikes) yet completely misses the boat on releasing a model.. The list continues! Drop pods, thunderwolf cav, tervigons, doom, wave serpents back in the day.

Ahh... no. Not even close.

Drop Pods? Never had a model.
Thunderwolves? Never had a model.
Tervigons? Nope. Never had a model.
Wave Serpents? Did not have a model for a long time.

Jetbikes? They have a model. The same one for 15 years yes, and we'd like it to be replaced, but this is not at all a similar situation.

As far as I'm concerned they do NOT have a model for jetbikes. Technically they do, but realistically there is no way I'm buying a 1994 sculpt (especially after I sold all the ones I had). I realize that is different, it's just not a realistic option for me to spend that much money on horribly obsolete and bad sculpts. It's like old dark eldar, yes they technically had models but in reality.. no they didn't as they didn't qualify as models (just misshapen blobs of metal and plastic)

Can somebody do the math on a Wraithlord killing vehicles with two Bright Lances vs. one BL and one Scatter Laser (giving twin-linked most of the time)? I'm pretty sure that two BL's will be better most of the time, but I'm not entirely sure.

(I'll try and do the math myself, but someone else will probably be faster.)

 Magc8Ball wrote:
Can somebody do the math on a Wraithlord killing vehicles with two Bright Lances vs. one BL and one Scatter Laser (giving twin-linked most of the time)? I'm pretty sure that two BL's will be better most of the time, but I'm not entirely sure.

(I'll try and do the math myself, but someone else will probably be faster.)

2 weapons is pretty much always better than 1 TL weapon, not much math needed. 1 TL weapon gets 2 rolls to hit but maximum # of hits = 1. 2 weapons get also 2 rolls to hit but maximum # of hits = 2. So you have same chance to score 1 hit as its 2 rolls but you have a chance ( I think) around 43% to hit with both and a 0% chance to hit twice with a TL weapon.

 Magc8Ball wrote:
Can somebody do the math on a Wraithlord killing vehicles with two Bright Lances vs. one BL and one Scatter Laser (giving twin-linked most of the time)? I'm pretty sure that two BL's will be better most of the time, but I'm not entirely sure.

(I'll try and do the math myself, but someone else will probably be faster.)

Wraithlord (BS4):

Two Bright Lances:
-1.3 BL hits
-AV10: 0.2 glances / 0.9 pens
-AV11: 0.2 glances / 0.7 pens
-AV12+: 0.2 glances / 0.4 pens

Scatter / Bright Lance:
-2.64 SL hits, 0.9 BL hits
-AV10: 0.6 glances / 1.2 pens
-AV11: 0.6 glances / .9 pens
-AV12: 0.6 glances / 0.3 pens
-AV13+: 0.1 glances / 0.3 pens

My rounding might lose a bit of the precision, but it looks like the difference is fairly marginal (except in hilling AV10, which the Eldar Army as a whole has little problem doing)? So I guess that as Kirasu said, two BL's is going to be a better bet because then you'll always have a chance at two pens on 12+.

That's not counting the AP difference, where a BL pen has 1/3 chance to explode while a SL pen has 1/6 chance. Which just further adds to 2 BL > BL/SL.

 shamikebab wrote:

 Farseer_Kaiser wrote:

 shamikebab wrote:
Also I assume Wraithsight has gone if we can't add Warlocks to Wraithguard squads any more?

The WD batrep has a Warlock attached to a Wraithguard unit..

Some people seem to be saying that was a mistake! I'd be surprised if Warlocks can't be attached to them though.

They can be attached to guardian defenders, storm guardians, windrider jetbikes, or support batteries.

On the upside, wraith units no longer need to be babysat or risk losing their turn.

source: pictures of the finished codex unit entries here: http://remotepresence.blogspot.com/

 Capamaru wrote:
He also gained a crappy rule which makes him reroll saves of 6 and his spear is AP3 now. Total waste.

Have you seen his points cost yet?

The wraithlord got more expensive, but I think it got equally better. Not having to twin-link 2 same weapons was pretty huge. 3 base attacks and the sword not taking away a weapon choice is nice too.

I think I'd take two of them over a Wraithknight, unless playing in large games with a single force org. It's comparable in points and cheaper in $.

I really want to run an Avatar this edition. So I plan on taking as many other T6+ creatures I can to take some of the fire away from him. Still not sure if Spiritseer is worth it though.

For allies with my DE, I like Jetbike troops, Jetseer, possibly warwalkers and vipers... all of those fit in very nicely with my DE army.

So the only Interceptor/Skyfire weapons in the whole of the Eldar army are going to be on Dark Reapers? Or am I missing something...?

So Acrobatics just lets a unit run an extra 3".....what.

Every unit that can take an eldar missile launcher can take skyfire ammo

wait, am i reading this right? wraithlords get to take 2x brightlances (or whatever weapons) not being linked, and a sword, AND double flamers???? my new fav. unit if so.

also, anyone selling any jetbikes????lol

Coyote81 wrote:
Every unit that can take an eldar missile launcher can take skyfire ammo

Okay, I didn't see that in the rules lists I've seen.

Follow up question.

So we have access to Skyfire, do we have anything with Interceptor?

Coyote81 wrote:
Every unit that can take an eldar missile launcher can take skyfire ammo

That and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee. EMLs are pretty spendy and skyfire is spendier.

Why release new jetbikes when you can just make them this codexes Grey Hunters ensuring increased sales of a long paid off sculpt.

I see them waiting for sales of GJBs to slow down then drop the Saim Hann supplement with Eldars version of Black Knights and new sculpts to go along with it.

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:

Coyote81 wrote:
Every unit that can take an eldar missile launcher can take skyfire ammo

Okay, I didn't see that in the rules lists I've seen.

Follow up question.

So we have access to Skyfire, do we have anything with Interceptor?

Flakk is listed seperately. Most units only get the plasma and starswarm profile for the missile launcher.


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Just saw the scan for Illic...and he's a boss.

He also has Hatred and Preferred enemy Necrons. All his shots are precision shots and he can deepstrike rangers or pathfinders to his location without scatter. He also has something called "Mark of the Incomparable Hunter" not sure what that does. He also has 4 attacks (thanks to pistol) at I6 with a power weapon.

This doesn't bode well for Eldar if we still have no solid counter for AV12 flyers except hoping our AV10 flyers can survive long enough to bring them down.

I'd have just liked something similar to the Firestorm. Ah well.

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
This doesn't bode well for Eldar if we still have no solid counter for AV12 flyers except hoping our AV10 flyers can survive long enough to bring them down.

I'd have just liked something similar to the Firestorm. Ah well.

Aren't Dark Reapers supposed to be the new anti air?

If the reaper rumors/leak is true they will be the anti air. However there is the major issue that they are are in the already clogged Heavy slot, so it'll likly be 1 squad of reapers and 2-3 fliers.

If the reaper rumors/leak is true they will be the anti air. However there is the major issue that they are are in the already clogged Heavy slot, so it'll likly be 1 squad of reapers and 2-3 fliers.

For me it's a no brainer. If every Dark Reaper (and not just the Exarch) can get Eldar Missile Launchers with krak, frag, plasma and skyfire ammo, and because of being relentless can move and shoot heavy weapons, they're the Long Fangs of the codex. Three units every time.

However:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/-nec41Vo1SSo/UaaYXlBzfDI/AAAAAAAAB68/INkUQLjzle8/s1600/1369865489078.jpeg

The wargear list has EML and Reaper Launcher as completely different weapons, so I'm not getting my hopes up. The Reaper Launcher has the krakk missile variant available to it, but not the skyfire missile.

Things that stand out.

Wraithguard with warp scythes, s4 ap2 flamers that pen on a 6, always wound on a 6, and ID on a 6.

17 point GJB that are now bs4 and rend v targets with a toughness value.

 Therion wrote:

If the reaper rumors/leak is true they will be the anti air. However there is the major issue that they are are in the already clogged Heavy slot, so it'll likly be 1 squad of reapers and 2-3 fliers.

For me it's a no brainer. If every Dark Reaper (and not just the Exarch) can get Eldar Missile Launchers with krak, frag, plasma and skyfire ammo, and because of being relentless can move and shoot heavy weapons, they're the Long Fangs of the codex. Three units every time.

Except the reason Long Fangs are so popular are their cost. The cost of Dark Reapers and their upgrades will determine if they are good or not.

Hint: Tau are battle-brothers, and get riptides with interceptor/skyfire...

I mean, besides those, pretty much nothing else in the game gets skyfire and interceptor together. Perhaps Dark Reapers out of LOS is the way to go?

I mean, you're probably going to lose models. But that's why flyers have the points premium - they get to shoot first, almost always. And if your threats are properly placed, they'll be very hard to counter, and he'll spend a lot of time off the board with his flyer.

 pretre wrote:

 Therion wrote:

If the reaper rumors/leak is true they will be the anti air. However there is the major issue that they are are in the already clogged Heavy slot, so it'll likly be 1 squad of reapers and 2-3 fliers.

For me it's a no brainer. If every Dark Reaper (and not just the Exarch) can get Eldar Missile Launchers with krak, frag, plasma and skyfire ammo, and because of being relentless can move and shoot heavy weapons, they're the Long Fangs of the codex. Three units every time.

Except the reason Long Fangs are so popular are their cost. The cost of Dark Reapers and their upgrades will determine if they are good or not.

Well the leaked points cost was 30 points a pop. It's not too bad at all considering they can move and shoot instead of having to turret all game like Long Fangs.

wow those warlock sure do suck now.