The (Mad) Scientist and his Army of the Second Law: Beware of the FINISHED Raider!

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**Dr H**

Theophony wrote:
Guardians with boomstick . At first I saw the torso and didn't recognize the legs seperate I thought they were servo arms of a unique design. I've been thinking too much about servo things.

Got janitors on the mind as well

The legs are just propped up there, not decided what I'm doing with them yet. I'm trying to get them all away from the "please kick me in the crown jewels" pose, but I need to sort out what these two are doing with their arms before I start chopping legs up...

**Theophony**

Feel free to make a eldar janitor with your spare bitz.

**cormadepanda**

Man that gun is epic! simply want that for my orks.. send me a few? haha

**SelvaggioSaky**

Really like that rifle man

**Dr H**

Theophony wrote:Feel free to make a eldar janitor with your spare bitz.

Maybe one day, when I get round to making some terrain for him to clean.

cormadepanda wrote:Man that gun is epic! simply want that for my orks.. send me a few? haha

Thanks. You should be able to make your own, it's only a Kroot rifle, minus spikes, with some added bent copper wire and a scope made from two sizes of tube and another ring that I had laying about after squaring off the end of another tube and one final ring for the foresight. The hardest part was making the cog on the side by using a file to make the teeth in a disk cut from some sprue, it would be easier to buy some watch cogs off ebay but I'm being very tight with money for now.

SelvaggioSaky wrote:Really like that rifle man

Thanks SS. I've added another wire to it and what will become a pressure gauge-like thing. See below.

I'm going to call it done for now (may add some little touches later, like valves or rivets, will see) and look at a melee device for number 10...

**Theophony**

If hat guns not steam punky enough for vik then I don't know if he ever could be satisfied.

Janitors don't need scenery to clean, they just follow the troops around cleaning up shell casings, blood splatter and body parts.

next inspiration just hit.

**Dr H**

Theophony wrote:
If hat guns not steam punky enough for vik then I don't know if he ever could be satisfied.

Will have to see what he thinks when he gets round to poking his adorable little steam-powered nose in here...

Janitors don't need scenery to clean, they just follow the troops around cleaning up shell casings, blood splatter and body parts.
next inspiration just hit.

Look forward to seeing what you have come up with.

Also, just thought, Cleaning and tidying are not really in with the fluff of this army; The Scientist is all about increasing entropy, cleaning decreases it I'm afraid...

I'll file away the idea for the future though.

**Theophony**

Ah, but every good scientist needs to research the findings after a battle to improved the killyness of the next battle. If they are practicing in their target range then they must clean the walls to get proper calculations of how destructive the shots are. Even nurgle grows gardens in his realm to test how toxic his brews are.

rant done. My C.S.

. Squad will just have to be your nemesis.

**Dr H**

Theophony wrote:
Ah, but every good scientist needs to research the findings after a battle to improved the killyness of the next battle. If they are practicing in their target range then they must clean the walls to get proper calculations of how destructive the shots are. Even nurgle grows gardens in his realm to test how toxic his brews are. rant done. My C.S. . Squad will just have to be your nemesis.

Ah but there is a few little holes in that logic;
You said "Good Scientist", Whereas The Scientist is a Mad Scientist, "good" don't enter into it...

So long as after a battle there is more disorder (higher entropy) The Scientist is happy. Even if his entire army is defeated and only broke a few windows in return, that is still a victory for him.

All the army members have transportation devices installed in all their armour, gear and bodies in order to be recovered if they can no longer move under their own power, so that they can be reanimated to fight again.

I was thinking that all members of the army had spare transportation devices for placing on defeated foes to recruit them after a battle, but I could make a dedicated team of recruiters (or specialists at least)...

That just shows how un-chaotic nurgle is in The Scientists view..."testing effectiveness is a symptom what's wrong with this galaxy"... (that's part of the reason I want to do the Orks justice when I come to them, as they are actually very chaotic in nature).

**Theophony**

I bow to your fluff ideas, well thought through. I shall have to assign extra servitors to your destruction.

Led by dr. Gilbert Grissly, the crew of C.S.

. Will be hunting down your evildoers. Gilbert just needs to get on his lab coat on before busting you.

**Dr H**

lol. Bring it on Gilbert...

**shasolenzabi**

Theo, that skull looked like Nerdfest/Damo!!!

**Bloodhorror**

Fantastic... So much love for this Army... The paint schemes aren't to my taste, but I couldn't give a toss when you use such beautiful fluff and funky ass conversions to justify it!

Truly, you are a man of Science!

You have just received one new Follower of Entropy

!

**Dr H**

shasolenzabi wrote:Theo, that skull looked like Nerdfest/Damo!!!

Ha ha, yeah it does.

Bloodhorror wrote:Fantastic... So much love for this Army... The paint schemes aren't to my taste, but I couldn't give a toss when you use such beautiful fluff and funky ass conversions to justify it!

Truly, you are a man of Science!

You have just received one new Follower of Entropy !

Thanks Bloodhorror and welcome.

Glad you like the fluff and conversions.

Yeah, I may have a little passion for science...

You can't fight it, Entropy ALWAYS increases (in a sealed system...)!

**shasolenzabi**

Nurgle wins as he is Entropy

**Dr H**

True. I have read that and it is a little thorn in the foot of my fluff. But the thing to remember is that the God of Entropy/Disorder/Chaos that The Scientist worships doesn't actually exist and it's all in his head (and not in an actual, chaos god, tainted way). He is actually just completely loopy.

**shasolenzabi**

Dr H wrote:
True. I have read that and it is a little thorn in the foot of my fluff. But the thing to remember is that the God of Entropy/Disorder/Chaos that The Scientist worships doesn't actually exist and it's all in his head (and not in an actual, chaos god, tainted way). He is actually just completely loopy.

True, but even that is enough to fuel a new chaos entity, or power Nurgle via one aspect of his many natures. And thus, this Mad Scientist would be on the targets list of Heresy by the Khadrovian Konfederacy for his crimes.

**Dr H**

shasolenzabi wrote:
Dr H wrote:
True. I have read that and it is a little thorn in the foot of my fluff. But the thing to remember is that the God of Entropy/Disorder/Chaos that The Scientist worships doesn't actually exist and it's all in his head (and not in an actual, chaos god, tainted way). He is actually just completely loopy.

True, but even that is enough to fuel a new chaos entity, or power Nurgle via one aspect of his many natures. And thus, this Mad Scientist would be on the targets list of Heresy by the Khadrovian Konfederacy for his crimes.

As the power of the chaos entities are (I would assume) proportional to the number and strength of the believers, whatever entity that may exist will be extremely weak as The Scientist is the only person that believes in it (what with the whole rest of the army being brainwashed one way or another).

I don't doubt that whether he believes it or realises it he will be helping the chaos gods spread a little chaos. But in the grand scheme of the whole galaxy and the war between the Imperium and the forces of Chaos, The Scientist and his army are actually only a small pinprick in a backwater star system.

You'll have to find him first, the planet he generally resides on is hidden from all known sensors, psykers and even the Tyranids... Whereas he has little tendrils throughout the galaxy collecting information direct from the sources. He knows about the Khadrovian Konfederacy and what they can bring to bear, ever lost a soldier in battle and couldn't find the body? Have a guess who may have found it first? and would you notice if this soldier walked back into the fold at a later date...?

**shasolenzabi**

All missing soldiers who have returned are scrutinized by the S.C.H.M.E.R.T.Z. for any signs of taint, tampering, cultural contamination, chaos influence, etc. Very paranoid are the Konfedrates.

**Bloodhorror**

Wait a second though..

Has the Scientist implanted all of the other peoples minds into his or just their Knowledge and experience?

Because if its the latter, him worshipping this god that only HE believes in would create a whole chaos god, as he has a whole plants worth of people in his head thus in one fell swoop causing a whole planet to believe in the God of Entropy!

Would this be a logical deduction?

**Dr H**

shasolenzabi wrote:All missing soldiers who have returned are scrutinized by the S.C.H.M.E.R.T.Z. for any signs of taint, tampering, cultural contamination, chaos influence, etc. Very paranoid are the Konfedrates.

The Scientist could find a way, it only takes one to get through. Edit: The Scientist knows all about your Special Committee for High-function and Mutant Eradication and Retraining Traitors to Zeal...

The soldier in question wouldn't know the difference if that's how he'd been programmed, it could include an electronic device hidden in a bionic implant that he already had or be done through a sort of hypnosis leaving no physical trace. The man himself would act exactly as he always has until hooked up to a mainframe terminal that is...

I'll refer you to this bit of fluff (that I don't believe I've shown in this blog):

Spoiler:

Bloodhorror wrote:Wait a second though..

Has the Scientist implanted all of the other peoples minds into his or just their Knowledge and experience?

Because if its the latter, him worshipping this god that only HE believes in would create a whole chaos god, as he has a whole plants worth of people in his head thus in one fell swoop causing a whole planet to believe in the God of Entropy!

Would this be a logical deduction?

That is a good point, but I was just seeing it as The Scientist was just implanting the knowledge, memories and experience. So he's the only sentient mind in his mind and it's not like the sisters of the Bene Gesserit with their "other memory" where the past sisters are still concious (if you've read any Dune books).

I think I prefer it that the army is led only by a madman and is independent of any god. Just shows that sometimes it's not that someone is being manipulated by higher powers, he might just be nuts...

**Bloodhorror**

AH!

Fair enough then. Its just one "man" with the knowledge of millions of Humans. And Tyranids. And Eldar. And Space Marines.

Yeah... Feth god worshipping nut jobs...

I want plain ol' normal immortal army cloning nut jobs!!!

**shasolenzabi**

I used to watch the original Prisoner with Patrick Mcgoohan, awesome brit show on one of NY channels. Public TV gave me Dr, Who, Blakes 7 and Red Dwarf along with Are you being served? and Black Adder

Regular TV gave me access to The Prisoner, The Avengers(Not the marvel comic ones) UFO/Space 1999, another aliens invading the planet forgot the name, So, I like that idea of his methods of infiltration to gather data.

**Dr H**

Bloodhorror wrote:AH!

Fair enough then. Its just one "man" with the knowledge of millions of Humans. And Tyranids. And Eldar. And Space Marines.

Yeah... Feth god worshipping nut jobs...

I want plain ol' normal immortal army cloning nut jobs!!!

Yeah, that about sums him up...

shasolenzabi wrote:I used to watch the original Prisoner with Patrick Mcgoohan, awesome brit show on one of NY channels. Public TV gave me Dr, Who, Blakes 7 and Red Dwarf along with Are you being served? and Black Adder

Regular TV gave me access to The Prisoner, The Avengers(Not the marvel comic ones) UFO/Space 1999, another aliens invading the planet forgot the name, So, I like that idea of his methods of infiltration to gather data.

Yeah, that whole bit of fluff came from that one bit of The Prisoner (and is also used for a certain Iron Maiden song) and ballooned from there.
I'm a big fan of Red Dwarf and Black Adder, but I have seen a fair amount of most of the other shows there (some of which are entertaining for reasons that perhaps were not originally intended).

Glad you like the idea. I've also written a bit of fluff for The Scientist getting access to the Black Library, but is linked to recruiting Harliquins, so not released here yet.

**shasolenzabi**

Very nice. Yeah British English versus American English,,,,or maybe Anglish?

**Dr H**

I was also thinking of certain costume decisions (purple wigs come to mind) and plot devices. But it's easy to laugh at 70's TV having grown up in the 80's...

**Dr H**

Not a lot of progress recently, been doing a bit of 1:1 modelling (crack filling) and looking for inspiration and ideas for a ccw for number 10.

So, I have a couple of concepts for an axe head.
You can probably see the inspiration for the one on the left...

The tubing is just standing in here for the handle.
These are just thin plastic cut roughly to shape. they will get bulked out with putty for final use.

Question is, which do people prefer?

Or any changes you may add/subtract from these to improve them?

Or any other axe shapes you think may work? I have other ideas, these are just the first that I've made so far.

Also, I'm not definite that I will go with an axe for this, I have some sword-shaped ideas as well. So any thoughts on that side of the sharp implement selection are also welcome.

**Theophony**

I like the simple ness of the one on the right. He left one looks too ornate and over thought if were just looking for entropy and killyness.

**cormadepanda**

ima vote for left. It looks choppy.

**Dr H**

Theophony wrote:I like the simple ness of the one on the right. He left one looks too ornate and over thought if were just looking for entropy and killyness.

My thought of the Wraithblade axes exactly. But I thought I'd give it a go and see it in the plastic(flesh).
Was also an exercise of how small and tricky I could make the details. Further thoughts towards variations under-way...

cormadepanda wrote:ima vote for left. It looks choppy.

Interesting. Is that the Ork or the Eldar talking in you?

One for each, so far. I'll put more up once I've cut them...

Keep the thoughts coming.