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Yeah, the fantasy base is the problem with the plastic FF and Marauder models for Warpath, not the true-scale.

Stormrage veterans look a lot better than the steel warriors simply because they're not based on the KoW dwarfs (which are actually quite heroic scale and have giant hands and feet).

I'm really looking forward to Warpath getting the same treatment as Dreadball, with a completely revamped miniature line, and tons of new stuff.
It had a bit of a false start last year, and it would be great to see that corrected now that the rules have been completely changed into something much better.

I think it could easily hit 2 million or so, there's a lot of us holding off on getting any warpath until that kickstarter comes along next year so we can go nuts.

I think that crazy box is worth picking up, especially if the Stormrage vets and Jotunn are fixed, so to speak.

 scarletsquig wrote:


I think it could easily hit 2 million or so, there's a lot of us holding off on getting any warpath until that kickstarter comes along next year so we can go nuts.

Yes I think so too! I have a small collection of little guys, but I'm waiting for the inevitable kickstarter to get an entire space-dwarf horde

 Dysartes wrote:
I think that crazy box is worth picking up, especially if the Stormrage vets and Jotunn are fixed, so to speak.

I was going to pick up one (or two) but their website's exchange rates are really dodgy between UKP and US$ (which RoW has to buy in to get "free shipping." - No 20% VAT refund plus it's actually $5 more expensive than the actual UKP-USD rates...)

I do believe you get at least subsidized shipping though
RRP's in different currencies always have that issue though.

Let's add a bit from the Mantic Facebook page,

asked how the packing was going mantic said

"We're getting there Waiting on a few MVPs for the Kickstarter crowd! Rumour has that the Forge Father and Veer-myn teams are in the warehouse next week though "

@ Scorpio

just for the £24.99+£8 postage then if you worried about the row postage...

i'm really tempted by the box as its got both wp vehicles in it and apparently there are some people who have already received there pre-orders of the box already which really makes me want one of the boxes that and there's loads of models in it...

http://www.manticblog.com/?p=6776

More progress, posted on the Mantic facebook site

The Forgefathers & Veermyn are in, only the MVPs to to

Ah some good news! I am in need of some after DFG and SW being out behind schedule!

yeah the whole thing with SW sucks a little bit... there's another photo on the fb page of the guys doing some photography and it looks like they have got some resins of the other mvps (maybe for fit? painting?) so they can't be far away either...

can't wait.

I'm going to sit on my steps and hyperventilate until it shows up, once the email goes out that they've shipped. Unless I'm at work. Then I'll cry myself to sleep until I get home to get them. (working December 1st, 2 days away from home, then work'll take me from home for another 4 days later in the month)

Here is the Mantic Facebook page photo



some dreadball resins for MVPs due in the next shipment, a pack of the cards and other random stuff


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they say we'll see more later

Bigger pic:



Looks like a trophy, John Doe, Number 88 Gorim Ironstone and Coach Renton.

Also, new Iron Ancestor kit with dual twin-linked hailstorm autocannon arms and Drakkarim.

They'll probably be the December releases for Mantic, if not the Dreadball stuff, the Forgefather release wave has been mentioned for some time now, and will probably be something like new Iron Ancestor upgrade kits, new Drakkarim and Thorgarim (hopefully in restic and not hybrid metal, nobody likes hybrid metal).

Are those new Drakkarim ScarletSquig?

Just put an order in for Dreadball (missed the KS sadly), a very reasonable £34.99 from Total Wargamer. Hopefully it won't be too long until it is released!

^ Yep.

Also, great new update from Mantic on this.

Mantic will be failing to deliver the pledges in January for people who backed for January delivery.

They'll be shipping them in December instead, all 2500 Striker packages are all going out at the same time.

Gotta love a company that doesn't over-promise and under-deliver and instead takes a cautious approach, but then goes out of its way to get things done ahead of schedule.

New update, Shipping starts Monday 26th, and Striker due to go out the Monday after that (they're waiting for the 1st 8 MVPs to arrive)

We are getting close to the goal – that goal obviously being the dispatch of over 2500 Kickstarter pledges!

The first of our Kickstarter pledges will start shipping next week, and with the 8 MVPs (the final components) arriving as well we will start shipping Strikers a week on Monday!



Void Sirens Female Corporation Tester Colour Scheme - watch out for updates next week as we’ve got new stuff to show off!

The next piece of exciting news is that we saved enough copies of the game to ship all of the Kickstarter Pledges scheduled for January ahead of Christmas. They will now ship at the same time as everyone else’s Kickstarter rewards.

Just to keep you informed we will be shipping out distributor orders next week as well, so if any are super quick they may hit shelves next Saturday - but they should be arriving at the same time as yours the following week - though obviously without the MVPs and the other goodies you’ll all have in your first shipment! We needed to get the trade orders sent in parallel if they were to get into the retail outlets for Christmas - we think this will bring lots more people into the game - and means lots more games, tournaments and events throughout 2013!

We would have liked to have got you the first shipment earlier but as we discussed in Update 94, we thought you’d prefer all 8 of the MVPs in the first shipment rather than the second shipment in Q2 2013. Retailers won’t actually see the first four MVPs until the end of December and the remaining four until the end of January - so you will have 8 of the first 9 MVPs a month ahead of the rest! But in the few occasions that they do hit the stores before you get yours thanks for your patience and understanding.



Locust City Chiefs Z'zor Team Colour Tester

We’ve got a couple more exciting things in that first package which we’ll share with you next week. Starting on the 1st December we’re also going to be running the 12 Sculpts of Christmas, alternating the kickstarter with our Kings of War Kickstarter Campaign by showing off lots of new figures that are coming off the sculptors' desks, and we've got some new events to talk lots about as well - please stay tuned to the updates page, sign up to our newsletter and like us on Facebook to keep up-to-date with the going-ons at the Mantic Bunker!

Replying from the KoW thread:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Here's the pic:



Does that look fine to you?

I'm not sure how real life can fix that. Do I need to hold it close enough for the parallax effect of my two eyes to work, like with a Magic Eye image? What will customers with only one functioning eye do?

The thing with Wildcard is that while I'm really not a fan of the pose they decided to go with, or the final figure, it's just one of many, many "free" figures that I'll be getting through the Kickstarter. Is it disappointing, when compared to the art? Sure. Did the figure to have the potential to be one of my favourites? Yeah, it did. But as I've said, given the context, and the fact that I'm not being asked to pay £10/$15 for it (not that I would, for this sculpt), I'm able to let it go through as "a swing and a miss"-type figure.


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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
New update, Shipping starts Monday 26th, and Striker due to go out the Monday after that (they're waiting for the 1st 8 MVPs to arrive)

We are getting close to the goal – that goal obviously being the dispatch of over 2500 Kickstarter pledges!

The first of our Kickstarter pledges will start shipping next week, and with the 8 MVPs (the final components) arriving as well we will start shipping Strikers a week on Monday!

Hm. Not entirely happy with it. By shipping strikers during the first week of Jan (between the 3rd and 7th), RoW delivery before Christmas for parcels these sizes drops from "almost definitely" to "maybe, if we're lucky". Hopefully there are no more delays and they come through. I'm no longer expecting this in my hands before Christmas, though.

 scipio.au wrote:
Replying from the KoW thread:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Here's the pic:


I'm not sure how real life can fix that. Do I need to hold it close enough for the parallax effect of my two eyes to work, like with a Magic Eye image? What will customers with only one functioning eye do?

The thing with Wildcard is that while I'm really not a fan of the pose they decided to go with, or the final figure, it's just one of many, many "free" figures that I'll be getting through the Kickstarter. Is it disappointing, when compared to the art? Sure. Did the figure to have the potential to be one of my favourites? Yeah, it did. But as I've said, given the context, and the fact that I'm not being asked to pay £10/$15 for it (not that I would, for this sculpt), I'm able to let it go through as "a swing and a miss"-type figure.

The main reason I keep bringing it up is to highlight the consequences of rushed reward fulfillment, as well as responding to a poster who basically said, "no one has found any reason to complain about any recent sculpts" or something like that. If Wildcard isn't the Drakon Rider of Dreadball, then she is at least its Twilight Kin Assassin. I was really hoping for better, although I'm not about to panic and rage quit. I will just give her away. She isalso an excellent reminder for me not to get my hopes up, just like Peter Jackson's King Kong reminds me not to have high expectations for The Hobbit.

Actually, her legally blonde pose makes me think this uptown girl is looking for a downtown man, and "That's what Buzzcut am!" Yes, I am now a Buzzcut-Wildcard shipper. I will call them "Buzzard."
He will hold her for the lonnnnnnnngest time. And pet her, and squeeze her, and call her "George".



I guess what I am really getting at is this: Mantic, please don't screw up any model I really care about. Unfortunately, I only know two forms of communicating this with them: passive-aggressive Mrs. Wolowitz-ing and always-disapproving Tiger Mom-ing.

Now why can't they sculpt better women like that nice Tre Manor boy down the street? He always listens to his customers.

Here we are. Christmas shipping dates taken from Warlord Games' webstore:

Warlord Games wrote:
South & Central America, Caribbean, Africa, Middle East, Asia, Far East (including Japan), Australia and New Zealand: place order by Friday 30th November

Though Mantic list some more ...optimistic dates:

Mantic Games wrote:
5th December – if you’re based outside of America, Canada, UK or Europe then you need to place your order before the 5th to guarantee it before Christmas!
7th December – Based in America, Canada or Europe? Get your order in before the 7th!
18th December – Final shipping deadline for the UK!

Obviously, DB KS orders will already be considered "placed", but 2 weeks shipping time from the UK to RoW is pretty optimistic.. I wouldn't have the word "guarantee" up there myself. Especially as there's no actual guarantee...


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

The main reason I keep bringing it up is to highlight the consequences of rushed reward fulfillment, as well as responding to a poster who basically said, "no one has found any reason to complain about any recent sculpts" or something like that. If Wildcard isn't the Drakon Rider of Dreadball, then she is at least its Twilight Kin Assassin. I was really hoping for better, although I'm not about to panic and rage quit. I will just give her away. She isalso an excellent reminder for me not to get my hopes up, just like Peter Jackson's King Kong reminds me not to have high expectations for The Hobbit.

OK, I'll give you that. The thing is that the Mantic guys (and Ronnie) may be too close to the project as well to be entirely objective. I've seen some awful-looking products in my time that have been thought of as "just fine" all the way to "fantastic" by their creators, while many, many others have thought they were just awful.

But I am looking forward to the Hobbit. I'm expecting it to be broadly as good as LotR, and broadly as accurate to the books.

On average, most parcels from the UK online retailers I buy from have taken 10 days to reach me. So if they do manage to ship it by the 3rd, I'm fairly hopeful it'll reach me by the 22nd even with the busy period.

Sining wrote:
On average, most parcels from the UK online retailers I buy from have taken 10 days to reach me. So if they do manage to ship it by the 3rd, I'm fairly hopeful it'll reach me by the 22nd even with the busy period.

Yeah, usually 10-14 days for me as well, tending towards the former. However, with Christmas post times about to hit...

edit - it's unlikely that they'll be shipping your parcel "by the third" - that's when they're starting to send them out, hence my concern.

 scipio.au wrote:

OK, I'll give you that. The thing is that the Mantic guys (and Ronnie) may be too close to the project as well to be entirely objective. I've seen some awful-looking products in my time that have been thought of as "just fine" all the way to "fantastic" by their creators, while many, many others have thought they were just awful.

In general, I seriously think this is the reason why artist-led companies produce superior sculpts to business-led companies.

A creative person generally knows full well whether something looks bad or not and can be their own harshest critic (compare Dreamforge to Mantic.. Mark is a sculptor, Ronnie is a seller... the former has absolutely zero tolerance for even the tiniest flaw to appear in any area of the product, whereas Mantic I feel has often ran into the business or "bean-counter" -led decision of "we wanted to make it cool, but didn't have the money/time to do it properly but decided to rush it out anyway", with last year's initial Warpath release being the most obvious example of biting off more than they could chew. Realistically speaking, Warpath won't actually be *released* until next year in my eyes and a lot of others since that will be the point where it has really good rules (the 2.0 rules are very, very good), and whatever awesomeness comes out of the company's 3rd kickstarter.

So far, Dreadball is flat-out the only game Mantic has produced that hasn't been rushed to market on a tight deadline and limited budget. And it really shows.

The fact that Wildcard is the only sculpt out of the 2 dozen or so they've done so far that can be considered "average" rather than "awesome" is really good going.

An excellent post, and I'm a little surprised to see it come from you, if only because you've been so positive towards Mantic for the longest time. I think you're spot on in many/most of your criticisms. I didn't realise the Enforcers were half-arsed as well, but now I know not to bother, until the "retool" option comes up in next year's Kickstarter...


...and funnily enough my first Mantic sets was Morgoth's Revenge, featuring the really nice undead, and the dwarfs, which got put away somewhere. I wouldn't call all of the other DB sculpts awesome though. Personal opinion and all that of course.

The T-shirts have arrived at the warehouse

 scipio.au wrote:
An excellent post, and I'm a little surprised to see it come from you, if only because you've been so positive towards Mantic for the longest time. I think you're spot on in many/most of your criticisms. I didn't realise the Enforcers were half-arsed as well, but now I know not to bother, until the "retool" option comes up in next year's Kickstarter...


...and funnily enough my first Mantic sets was Morgoth's Revenge, featuring the really nice undead, and the dwarfs, which got put away somewhere. I wouldn't call all of the other DB sculpts awesome though. Personal opinion and all that of course.

I personally think the Enforcers are some of the best sci-fi sculpts on the market (I love all of Remy's sculpts) - but I hate the alternate squads with metals bits. I'm honestly waiting until they either redo them as hard plastic, or at least as a full restic line. No one, no one, no one likes hybrid kits, Mantic! Urgh!

I agree - think the Enforcers are lovely sculpts, and look really good when assembled! I think if you could accuse anything of being half-arsed about them it would have to be the production method (hybrid kit) rather than the actual quality of the sculpt itself.

 Pacific wrote:
I agree - think the Enforcers are lovely sculpts, and look really good when assembled! I think if you could accuse anything of being half-arsed about them it would have to be the production method (hybrid kit) rather than the actual quality of the sculpt itself.

The legs are terrible. The Dreadball version shows how skinny and non-realistic the legs of the Warpath models are. It looks like robot legs, not human legs in a robotic suit. They need to basically retool the legs to be 10% thicker and they know it.

I have to agree about the legs, just a little bit thicker and they would be perfect, as it is though they are just too skinny to fit an actual leg in!

Agreed - the legs as currently designed are keeping me from even thinking of buying any of them.

Enforcers are, background wise, never seen outside their armour and are 'modified' in some way

so it's quite possible they are not real legs in armour, but instead are replacement robot legs or similar