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 Vladsimpaler wrote:
Someone made a comment about how about the book better be 150 something pages on Warseer, and I saw this as a reply:

korgüll;6428491 wrote:sry, only 104 pages (German edt.):(

Sooo apparently this $50+ book is only gonna be 104 pages. I'm at that point where I really have no expectations, though since everything is a lot more set in stone this seems believable.

So yeah, this will be a tough buy if true, and one that I cannot see myself making anytime in the near future. Hmm...104 page book or 20 cultists, 6 chosen, chaos lord, and helbrute.

This is probly a stupid question but I'm holding out hope. Are these prices for sure or are we still in the rumor department?

Prices seem pretty solid from what a few retailers have suggested.
Seems its getting the army ready for a creep in prices again.

Was never a huge fan of chaos to begin with and these do nothing to change my mind. All the characters are really good however. Not sure what to think about the raptors, I loved the old style, especially the backpacks as it was what made them unique, now they just look too cluttered. Oblits are a real letdown, was hoping for a big style change but they look the exact same!

 wowsmash wrote:

 Vladsimpaler wrote:
Someone made a comment about how about the book better be 150 something pages on Warseer, and I saw this as a reply:

korgüll;6428491 wrote:sry, only 104 pages (German edt.):(

Sooo apparently this $50+ book is only gonna be 104 pages. I'm at that point where I really have no expectations, though since everything is a lot more set in stone this seems believable.

So yeah, this will be a tough buy if true, and one that I cannot see myself making anytime in the near future. Hmm...104 page book or 20 cultists, 6 chosen, chaos lord, and helbrute.

This is probly a stupid question but I'm holding out hope. Are these prices for sure or are we still in the rumor department?

Prices are set, all of the pricing info came from White Dwarf. And remember, hope is the first step on the road to disappointment! ; )

The CC oblits faces are very ugly.
And with ugly I don't mean good/bad.
They suck... I still believe the rest are ok.
But the oblits are ... Beeehhh

 Commander Cain wrote:
Was never a huge fan of chaos to begin with and these do nothing to change my mind. All the characters are really good however. Not sure what to think about the raptors, I loved the old style, especially the backpacks as it was what made them unique, now they just look too cluttered. Oblits are a real letdown, was hoping for a big style change but they look the exact same!

Thats because they are. They have almost (if not THE) exact bodies as the old oblits.

Very well then, guess I'm gunna have to find a home for my chaos half of DV. I'll buy the Dark Angels book becuase thats my army but I wont be buying any extra codex's anymore. I'm sure thats going to cost the same. I dont see how going to hardback requires that much of a price jump but it is what it is. I expected it to be similar to warhammer fantasy books. I guess fantasy fans can look forward to getting hosed down as well.

On a side note how much cheaper is it to get a used codex of of ebay/ amazon?

Any form of oblit that GW does seem to have 2 things in common.

1: They are fugly and look like crap.
2: I wont waste my money on them.

I think it will be back to converting termies into oblits again since CC termies appeal to khorne

I really hope we can use the warp talon's vorpal claws to kill the jabberwocky....that thing has been bugging Alice for years.

 wowsmash wrote:
Very well then, guess I'm gunna have to find a home for my chaos half of DV. I'll buy the Dark Angels book becuase thats my army but I wont be buying any extra codex's anymore. I'm sure thats going to cost the same. I dont see how going to hardback requires that much of a price jump but it is what it is. I expected it to be similar to warhammer fantasy books. I guess fantasy fans can look forward to getting hosed down as well.

On a side note how much cheaper is it to get a used codex of of ebay/ amazon?

You rang? I'll gladly take them off your hands if the price is right.

So


Maulerfiends - Elites or Heavy Support
Forge Fiends - Heavy Support
Heldrakes - Fast Attack?

Not sure if already mentioned:

The Codex has been written by the dream team Phil Kelly and Jes Goodwin, with Jes discussing all issues with Phil and not only as a miniature designer. So as in the Dark Eldar Codex, there are actually some deeper thoughts behind all this and an intelligent evolution of previous editions is possible. Oh, and the non-dino-head of the shooty fiend is actually a third weapon choice. Still don't like the dragon idea, sorry Jes.

@pretre: Seems you need another vacation: You sound like me in a Mantic thread

Some of the models are okay, but for the most part, it looks like it came from a Megablocks playset. Obliterators look even worse than before.

I was hoping that the new models would look of a similar quality to those from Dark Vengeance, but I'll just have to be disappointed.

The only thing that looks like crap to me is the melee oblits.

Love everything else, love the dark apostles all paper approach, it's like Word Bearers lite.

Now the older cult marines and bland marines will look really out of place next to the chosen/warp talon units.

 Dave-c wrote:
They are way over designed.

And there it is. The real heart of this I think.

These models are overdesigned, like they took some of the design tropes of Chaos and just turned it up to 11 in order to make them different from regular Marines, but ended up with models that are just cluttered and overly busy.

See with the DV Chosen and the Lord it was ok, because they’re the leaders and most elite troops, so individualising them a bit works. With these Raptors... it’s just too much. Every single bit of them is warped or twisted in some way, and there seems to be no cohesion to them whatsoever.

It’s really sad actually. I’ve been waiting years for a Chaos Codex. The last one that came out came out partway through 3rd Ed and we haven’t seen one since. Now here we are, oh-so-many years (and 3 editions) later and we have overly-busy Raptors that look nothing like the sleek (and unique) Raptors of old, HTH Oblits that are mind-bogglingly bad, and three Dinobots (Grimlock, Sludge and Swoop, I believe). And the two things I really like – the Warpsmith and Dark Apostle? They’re in FineCost. fething brilliant.

Now I don’t mind the Forgefiend because it looks like a Daemon Engine, and given some better photos I think the Dragon might look like a deamonically mutated Hellblade/Talon... but the rest of this stuff just leaves me cold. Combine that with a Codex that's 50% more expensive than the last one and I'm just not feeling this release. 3.5 Chaos got me back into 40K. What will this Codex do?

Umm...The Dark Apostle pic isn't on the first page, it seems.

I am disappointed and a bit surprised. GW's stuff in 40k and Fantasy has been so good the last couple years, and dark vengeance was great, so it's a huge let down to see these toyish models.


I hope they grow on me...

How much will the Chaos Codex be in pounds? Any ideas?

Sorcerer looks meh. Not brilliant but certainly not bad.

Dark Apostle looks great, tons of character.

The Mutilators...Hmm. They probably look better in person, and I doubt the paintjob helps, but the don't look very good. With a bit of work and a good paintjob (and new heads) they could look good.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Dave-c wrote:
They are way over designed.

And there it is. The real heart of this I think.

These models are overdesigned, like they took some of the design tropes of Chaos and just turned it up to 11 in order to make them different from regular Marines, but ended up with models that are just cluttered and overly busy.

See with the DV Chosen and the Lord it was ok, because they’re the leaders and most elite troops, so individualising them a bit works. With these Raptors... it’s just too much. Every single bit of them is warped or twisted in some way, and there seems to be no cohesion to them whatsoever.

It’s really sad actually. I’ve been waiting years for a Chaos Codex. The last one that came out came out partway through 3rd Ed and we haven’t seen one since. Now here we are, oh-so-many years (and 3 editions) later and we have overly-busy Raptors that look nothing like the sleek (and unique) Raptors of old, HTH Oblits that are mind-bogglingly bad, and three Dinobots (Grimlock, Sludge and Swoop, I believe). And the two things I really like – the Warpsmith and Dark Apostle? They’re in FineCost. fething brilliant.

Now I don’t mind the Forgefiend because it looks like a Daemon Engine, and given some better photos I think the Dragon might look like a deamonically mutated Hellblade/Talon... but the rest of this stuff just leaves me cold. Combine that with a Codex that's 50% more expensive than the last one and I'm just not feeling this release. 3.5 Chaos got me back into 40K. What will this Codex do?

I overwhelmingly agree to the last word. They look too much like action figures, I feel like there's a button on the forge fiends back that will cause it to shoot plastic projectiles like a cheap happy meal toy. The new raptors look way out of proportion and their poses seem off. The two models of any interest to me are both finecast......I did not know this until now. So all in all there isn't a single model I see here that are redeemable...Its sad considering Dark Vengeance had so much promise. Now if the codex turns out to be trash too then GW has forever lost a customer.

 blood reaper wrote:
How much will the Chaos Codex be in pounds? Any ideas?

£30 or thereabouts I think

Actually, the last Codex for Chaos came out solidly in the middle or late of 4th. That was the Gav dex everyone rants about after Pete Haines 3.5th.

 filbert wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
How much will the Chaos Codex be in pounds? Any ideas?

£30 or thereabouts I think

£30!?!?!!?

For a hundred and five page book?

That's smaller than the average magazine and it costs 30 fething pounds.

Even from Wayland, it's going to be 27 at least with postage, so in no way will I buy this, GW's taking the piss now.

 blood reaper wrote:


Even from Wayland, it's going to be 27 at least with postage, so in no way will I buy this, GW's taking the piss now[i].

They have been for years.

 Spartan089 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Dave-c wrote:
They are way over designed.

And there it is. The real heart of this I think.

These models are overdesigned, like they took some of the design tropes of Chaos and just turned it up to 11 in order to make them different from regular Marines, but ended up with models that are just cluttered and overly busy.

See with the DV Chosen and the Lord it was ok, because they’re the leaders and most elite troops, so individualising them a bit works. With these Raptors... it’s just too much. Every single bit of them is warped or twisted in some way, and there seems to be no cohesion to them whatsoever.

It’s really sad actually. I’ve been waiting years for a Chaos Codex. The last one that came out came out partway through 3rd Ed and we haven’t seen one since. Now here we are, oh-so-many years (and 3 editions) later and we have overly-busy Raptors that look nothing like the sleek (and unique) Raptors of old, HTH Oblits that are mind-bogglingly bad, and three Dinobots (Grimlock, Sludge and Swoop, I believe). And the two things I really like – the Warpsmith and Dark Apostle? They’re in FineCost. fething brilliant.

Now I don’t mind the Forgefiend because it looks like a Daemon Engine, and given some better photos I think the Dragon might look like a deamonically mutated Hellblade/Talon... but the rest of this stuff just leaves me cold. Combine that with a Codex that's 50% more expensive than the last one and I'm just not feeling this release. 3.5 Chaos got me back into 40K. What will this Codex do?

I overwhelmingly agree to the last word. They look too much like action figures, I feel like there's a button on the forge fiends back that will cause it to shoot plastic projectiles like a cheap happy meal toy. The new raptors look way out of proportion and their poses seem off. The two models of any interest to me are both finecast......I did not know this until now. So all in all there isn't a single model I see here that are redeemable...Its sad considering Dark Vengeance had so much promise. Now if the codex turns out to be trash too then GW has forever lost a customer.

Yeah... was really excited, esp. after Dark Vengeance, but I was hoping for sleeker and probably plastic Raptors, not this sort of awkward mess of possessed or whatever. Then there are the big pieces, which are just awkward...

Will probably be getting some second hand old raptors and delving in to the bits market for those lightning claws...

Palindrome wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:


Even from Wayland, it's going to be 27 at least with postage, so in no way will I buy this, GW's taking the piss now[i].

They have been for years.

I know, but this, this just pushes it.

Well, time to sell my kidney.

 blood reaper wrote:

Palindrome wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:


Even from Wayland, it's going to be 27 at least with postage, so in no way will I buy this, GW's taking the piss now[i].

They have been for years.

I know, but this, this just pushes it.

Well, time to sell my kidney.

I know that feel bro, they really are starting to take the piss.

I really like what they are doing with chaos. I mean I don't personally agree with the look of some of the new models, but hopefully the codex will be very well written, so that we can see a plethora of chaos lists. I mean there are standard chaos marines, cultists, cult squads, spiky marine vehicles, daemon engines, terminators, obliterators... I am just hoping that this will mean that we will see a great variety of list builds.

This latest rumour dump has cooled any interest I had in Chaos, which is a damn shame considering they were my first (and most beloved) 40K army
An expensive book, coupled with some dodgy looking new models and many of the same old, dated models or models out of sync with the style of some of the new better looking models, really doesn't do it for me at all
I feared they wouldnt do a Dark Eldar and release many new redesigned models, which is the reason I didnt buy Dark Vengeance
At least I can thank GW for saving me money that can be spent on other armies, but it does suck that I probably wont collect a new army for my most favourite race, guess I'll wait for leaks of the codex before a final decision is made, but so far, I'll pass