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**ergotoxin**

Harriticus wrote:

The new CSM battleforce also removes the Berzerkers for 5 Possessed Marines.

So they are going to sell less stuff for same (or probably higher) price. Battleforces are really going downhill lately.

**Godless-Mimicry**

Actually the Possessed were always there, the Berserkers were replaced with 3 Bikes. Those two kits are the same price, so it is a fair trade, but still a poor Battleforce.

**skkipper**

my hope is that the cultist get shown at gamesday so they are not to far off into the future.

**JOHIRA**

Wow.

Looking at those pics, I can only say that Chaos has gotten very, very silly. I mean, to be fair, it was always silly. But now it's just... lol.

**Amaya**

JOHIRA wrote:
Wow.

Looking at those pics, I can only say that Chaos has gotten very, very silly. I mean, to be fair, it was always silly. But now it's just... lol.

Have you missed 40k 5th and WHFB 8th? Everything is getting sillier.

**mace_ace**

Given we just had anew release come up (DV) what time (GMT or EST if you know) do the pre-orders tend to show up lately?
Thanks

**JohnnoM**

45 mins from my knowledge, in Australia atleast.

**mace_ace**

Sweet, thanks.

**Formosa**

everyone complaining about the legions being watered down.... GW knows EXACTLY what its doing, new chaos dex.. check... everyone clamboring for legion specific rules
... HH FW books on way... check.

No one else seems to be making this connection so i thought i would throw it out there

**Semper**

It was too obvious so we decided it was pointless to say. XD

**whoadirty**

MajorTom11 wrote:
It removes an iconic element from a core (and in the HH books, ever more important) legion and spreads it thinly across everyone else to no consequence. I doubt BL or IW guys are jumping up and down with joy that they can now paint a Dark Apostle in their own colors... just like I doubt they would go nuts to paint a plague marine in their own colors either.

Part of the appeal of Chaos, to me anyways, was the distinction of both look and fluff. They seem to be watering down the legion flavors in favor of an overall chaos flavor, and that is something I personally find drastically less intruiging.

To me, Word Bearers need more attention, not less.

In addition to the above, focusing on the Corsairs and whatever red renegades were in DA is a poor decision when people had/have a lot of untapped investement in the core legions. Instead of half heartedly introducing new renegade bands (corsairs are pretty fleshed out so I am not particularly aiming my ire at them) they should be rewarding long time fans and also making their own lives easier by using the built in excitement that would be there waiting for them.

I was very excited when I saw the DA box contents, saying to myself, awesome! Word Bearers and DA!

I was very un-excited when I realized it was 'Misc Renegades I never heard of before and DA!'

Not that I want to specifically paint up a Dark Apostle model for an Iron Warriors force, but I would like to have a converted "Iron Apostle".

Realistically, you're not going to see GW produce a Legion specific character for every Legion, there's just too many models they would have to produce. So rather than try and do that, GW makes a more generic HW unit (in effect, a chaos chaplain) for all Legions to use.

Do you think if that had named it Warp Chaplain and had fluff similar to that of the SM Chaplain, would Word Bearers be mad because GW named it wrong?

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Medium of Death wrote:

The potential wasted on this release has been unreal, I'll bite my tongue from saying more until the book is in my hands and the second wave has hit. This was a no brainer release for GW.

Get the Cult troops out, bless us with multipart Chosen, Plastic Chaos Dreadnought. Perhaps even have a couple of the GD's, and have the other 2 be released with the Daemon Codex. It's baffling that they went down the route they did. I do very much approve of the new aesthetic, it definitely draws a massive contrast to the Loyalists. I guess we'll need to see what awaits us, but it is very disappointing at this early stage.

While I agree with you on what should have been released, it was not a no brainer to do so. GW releases all those things and sure, they would get sales, but nowhere near the sales they are going to get from releasing shiny new units. I have a shelf full of CSM boxes waiting to be put together. If they went by your suggestion, I'd be buying the codex and nothing else. Over time I'd buy some of the new kits, but why would I replace 5 boxes of CSMs if I don't have to? That would be $200 I don't have to buy. Whereas if I want to play with a Chaos flyer, or new Daemon Engines, or play with Helltalons, I am shelling out a boatload of new cash, and GW can catch some more money for me later by redoing to the boxes you suggest.

**Exergy**

Slinky wrote:
The best PMs available at the moment are the FW conversions, I believe:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Chaos/CHAOS_INFANTRY_AND_ACCESSORIES/DEATH_GUARD_CONVERSION_SET.html

+1

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DarkStarSabre wrote:
Mohoc wrote:
DarkStarSabre wrote:
Starfarer wrote:
MetalOxide wrote:
Jayden63 wrote:
CrashCanuck wrote:
So long as they allow the actual Plague Marines to retain their FnP I don't really have a problem with slaanesh granting it with the icon, it does make sense for them.

Any word about possible new special characters? I'm really hoping with the focus turning to the DA that Cypher will make a re-appearance

Its just another codex shift. The old dex was two lash princes, 9 obliterators, and as many plague marines as you can fill up for troops. So naturally, Lash is gone, plague marines are no longer the bees knees and Oblits are being split into two different units.

It sucks for themed armies though such as my Nurgle army because now the icon grants fear which is apparently pointless in this edition and the Plague Marines are now 24 pts because they have poisoned which is useless; since when are you going to assault with plague marines in the first place? Also fnp is 5+ instead of 4+ :(

FNP is way better now. Sure its 5+ but nothing negates it at toughness 5. It makes units way more survivable overall. The point extra for gaining poisoned is not bad either, and fits the fluff as well.

Plus, for those despairing....

Epidemius.

Just saying. Epidemius will gift you chums with a 3+ FNP and that in itself is somewhat silly.

Dark Apostle in Terminator Unit with Typhus? With 3+ FNP due to Epidemius' magic number?

Oh my indeed.

Epi only improves existing FNP. He does not give it. In addition, his poison buff only works on Plague Swords.

Aaaaaand if the Dark Apostle is giving the Terminators FNP.....then I guess he improves that too, yes?

And the magic number of 20 turns anything with bolter fire into a monster. Armour ignoring indeed.

where are you getting Dark Apostles giving units FNP? Icons of Slannesh give FNP, presumeably only to units with mark of slannesh, so they would not benefit from Epi. Dark Aposiles are going to carry a cursed power maul(name?)

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Kanluwen wrote:
Harriticus wrote:
So have the new WD in front of me. Dark Apostles seem to be common to every CSM Legion now and are simply the reverse of Space Marine Chaplains. No mention of Word Bearers are made in their entry. GW took a huge gak on the fluff, but after Newcrons this isn't very surprising...

To be fair...

It was always stupid that the Dark Apostles were only in the Word Bearers. It's not like it was some kind of cult secret that only the Word Bearers would have known.

MOST non Word Bearer chapalins were killed, not all. So i think multiple armies should be able to take them.

**unmercifulconker**

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCatsLarge.jsp?catId=cat440160a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

**Exergy**

so it appears that the little wings on the jetpacks that everyone has been complaining about are removeable. Raptors do not have them, warp talons do.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1710090a

**Cyrax**

Launch bundle?!

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440206a&prodId=prod1740031a

**unmercifulconker**

I see something very disturbing when looking at the dragons rear end and I cannot unsee it

**kronk**

Cyrax wrote:
Launch bundle?!

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440206a&prodId=prod1740031a

Just did the math. Zero discount on that bundle.

$243 for $243 worth of product.

**Semper**

Done! Codex and Helldrak ordered!

**His Master's Voice**

Looking at the clear pictures, the helldrake is actually the best of the large kits. Remove the head, excess spikes and claws and you'll get a nice looking flying demon engine. Maybe add a mechanical lamprey mouth in the neck socket for extra effect, but even plugging it with a round shield with a chaos symbol would be enough. Add chains and presto, you've got a welded "insertion" hatch.

The maluers require a new set of non fleshy legs and doing something with the awful head. Probably just skipping it would be enough.

**Exergy**

the back of the warpsmith is AWESOME

**DarkStarSabre**

Limited edition Codex? For £50?

Oh lord, that's hilarious. You really, really have to be kidding me, right?

To be fair we were prepared for most of them. Typhus going to £15? OOF.

Forgefiends/Maulfiends at £40? OOF.

And to top it off? Helldrake at £45. Eesh.

That's £9 more than the big Warhammer monsters. So those of us who were unimpressed and considering Zombie Dragon or Arachnarok conversions can rejoice at least!

**Exergy**

Another Dark Apostle

back of the dark apostle

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Raptors, not warp talons

**Cyrax**

kronk wrote:

Just did the math. Zero discount on that bundle.

$243 for $243 worth of product.

You're right, what's the point then besides saving customers from clicking add to cart more than one?

**fatrobin**

8 less bezerkers and 5 less csms for 3 bikes? costs more too i think...

and cor blimey the codex costs alot and yeah no discount on the launch bundle :(

and I do like the warp talons... i guess they will cost a fair number of points and the box looks like it contains some nice bits

**Quintinus**

Did anyone else's mind explode when they saw this?
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1740029a

Not gonna lie, I saw this and this was my face as I saw the price

**deleted20250424**

unmercifulconker wrote:
I see something very disturbing when looking at the dragons rear end and I cannot unsee it

I posted some time ago that this wouldn't be what they did, and it is what they did.

I still maintain that if the wings were flipped from side to side with a swept back look, it would most likely look much better.

However, at that cost I think I would rather get the Hell Blade.

[Edit] Also, since I'm broke and can't buy one immediately..... I demand someone get a Mauler, put a marine on it's back (standing up) and run a chain from his hand down through the Maulers mouth. That should turn it up to 11, at least.

**unmercifulconker**

20 quid more for a no colour cover? Oh you get 2 red eyes on the chaos marine, yep thats worth £20 more

**MetalOxide**

The Forgefiends/Maulfiends look even worse in 360

**loki old fart**

unmercifulconker wrote:
I see something very disturbing when looking at the dragons rear end and I cannot unsee it

Reminds me of a chicken!
A flying chicken

**unmercifulconker**

Vladsimpaler wrote:
Did anyone else's mind explode when they saw this?
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1740029a

Not gonna lie, I saw this and this was my face as I saw the price

Flawless Victory

Indeed, thought the demon engines would look better from another angle but it seems the dragon does look better so.... I am sorted