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Any specific information on Possessed?
Do they still roll randomly or do you choose upgrades? Elites slot? Reasonable points cost?

 Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:
Wait, if you can't take a ranged and a cow upgrade for chosen, isn't the new $20 aspiring champ unusable ?

No, you could play him as an Aspiring Champion.

 Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:
cow upgrade

There is no cow upgrade.

my computer autocorrects everything

Unless they make a new chosen/marine box, his look is completely different and will look strange in a normal squad, but he cant go with the DV chosen because of his upgrades.

He's supposed to stand out though, isn't he?

Possessed have 3 CC only upgrades, which you roll for each turn they are in combat. They can take special "Gifts of Mutation" Which characters can take, are s5 and 2 attacks base, can take a mark and icon, can boost up to LD 10 and have Hatred: Space Marines, are Daemons, with Fear and a 5++, as well as power armour, + more... pretty good.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
Although it may seem like a bit of a cop-out, you could always do what I do, take a Mark but justify it from an Iron Warriors perspective. For example, I have a unit of Khorne Bezerkers, but they're not really bezerkers, they're a dedicated "breach unit", trained to charge into the breached defenses as soon as an opening appears. To do so, they need to be as good in CQC as possible, and can't be afraid to charge in whilst the ordnance is still flying through the air, hence the Fearless.

This isn't a cop out and is the perfect example of using "counts as" within your own codex. This is an awesome way to best represent the force you wish to play without there having to be a massive list of crazy special rules for every chaos marine chapter out there. Anyone can play a world eater's army full of berserkers, but it takes some forethought to use the rules in the way you described above. Don't belittle your idea by calling it a cop out. It is actually pretty cool.

Skriker

Da Boss wrote:
Any specific information on Possessed?
Do they still roll randomly or do you choose upgrades? Elites slot? Reasonable points cost?

They are a bit more reliable as a hard-hitting combat unit, but their points still feel somewhat high - they get expensive fast once you start picking up marks and icons.

But they can definitely be counted on to do some real damage if they get to combat. I'm just not sure if they can compare to a lot of the other units in the codex that can do the same thing, often for a lot cheaper.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:
Wait, if you can't take a ranged and a cow upgrade for chosen, isn't the new $20 aspiring champ unusable ?

No, you could play him as an Aspiring Champion.

 Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:
cow upgrade

There is no cow upgrade.

my computer autocorrects everything

Unless they make a new chosen/marine box, his look is completely different and will look strange in a normal squad, but he cant go with the DV chosen because of his upgrades.

He's supposed to stand out though, isn't he?

Maybe a bit, but I feel he stands out way too much from the normal troops

Could someone shed some light on what options a Warpsmith can take?

from looking at the pics and the WD info it looks like standard gear is:

Power Axe
Bolt Pistol
Mechatendrils

-Can they swap out the bolt pistol or power axe for anything else?
-Are the mechatendrils standard or an option?

 Praxiss wrote:
Could someone shed some light on what options a Warpsmith can take?

from looking at the pics and the WD info it looks like standard gear is:

Power Axe
Bolt Pistol
Mechatendrils

-Can they swap out the bolt pistol or power axe for anything else?
-Are the mechatendrils standard or an option?

All those come built in; they get access to Ranged Weapons and Artefacts, so they can swap the pistol for a plasma pistol, or a combi weapon. They can swap either weapon for the various artefacts (which includes 2 daemon weapons and a nasty flamer thing), but that's all.

And I would have thought the platic Aspiring Champion model would be perfect for a Lord model anyway?

The axe has a daemonic face on it (Daemon Weapon).
it stands out, has a dynamic pose.

Since there is no other PA Lord model other than the DV one thsi woudl seem to be the "go-to" model.

Myth wrote:


They are a bit more reliable as a hard-hitting combat unit, but their points still feel somewhat high - they get expensive fast once you start picking up marks and icons.

But they can definitely be counted on to do some real damage if they get to combat. I'm just not sure if they can compare to a lot of the other units in the codex that can do the same thing, often for a lot cheaper.

But they have no frags that sucks for hth units . + they dont realy do more damage then troop zerkers unless they roll the ap3 weapons and that is a 1/3 chance . If they get fleet or the other thing they are worse then normal csm .

Myth wrote:

 Praxiss wrote:
Could someone shed some light on what options a Warpsmith can take?

from looking at the pics and the WD info it looks like standard gear is:

Power Axe
Bolt Pistol
Mechatendrils

-Can they swap out the bolt pistol or power axe for anything else?
-Are the mechatendrils standard or an option?

All those come built in; they get access to Ranged Weapons and Artefacts, so they can swap the pistol for a plasma pistol, or a combi weapon. They can swap either weapon for the various artefacts (which includes 2 daemon weapons and a nasty flamer thing), but that's all.

Thats' not bad. if the Flamer is in fact Torrent then that gice you a nasty Ap3 weapon and a significant range boost over the pistol. it's also somethgin i can use as a "counts-as" fort eh gun on my metal Warsmith model! Does mean i need to rip off his Conversion beamer though. :(

Are there any major changes to wargear/points cost to bikers?

I'm still trying to figure out why Daemons of a god don't have the mark of their god.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out why Daemons of a god don't have the mark of their god.

Because that would make sense and be fluffy?

Can cultist champions take power weapons? If so are there separate options for different types (Axe, Sword, Maul, Spear) and different points costs?

Only thing a cultist champion can take is a shotgun

Aw. Was going to run the respective Champions with Power Sword and Power Axe.


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Thanks anyway though.

 Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out why Daemons of a god don't have the mark of their god.

Because that would make sense and be fluffy?

No, because that would be both fluffy AND good. Kelly uses exclusive or conditions for fluff and quality. Rather than let you have a mark and push the prince into immune-to-Str-based-ID territory, he wants you to fear railguns.

 Skriker wrote:

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
Although it may seem like a bit of a cop-out, you could always do what I do, take a Mark but justify it from an Iron Warriors perspective. For example, I have a unit of Khorne Bezerkers, but they're not really bezerkers, they're a dedicated "breach unit", trained to charge into the breached defenses as soon as an opening appears. To do so, they need to be as good in CQC as possible, and can't be afraid to charge in whilst the ordnance is still flying through the air, hence the Fearless.

This isn't a cop out and is the perfect example of using "counts as" within your own codex. This is an awesome way to best represent the force you wish to play without there having to be a massive list of crazy special rules for every chaos marine chapter out there. Anyone can play a world eater's army full of berserkers, but it takes some forethought to use the rules in the way you described above. Don't belittle your idea by calling it a cop out. It is actually pretty cool.

Skriker

In the case of Iron Warriors, they actually HAVE berserkers so they don't even have to go that far. They're actually pretty common among Undivided Legions and renegades. But this sort of logic is great. I met a guy that had plague marines in Emperor's Children, claiming they were dudes on something that seriously warped their nervous system, making it fire much slower (I3) and warp pain into pleasure directly (T5/FNP).

 Robbietobbie wrote:
Only thing a cultist champion can take is a shotgun

So they cannot access the armoury? That is disappointing. I hope they don't have the rule that forces them to issue challenges...

 Crimson wrote:

 Robbietobbie wrote:
Only thing a cultist champion can take is a shotgun

So they cannot access the armoury? That is disappointing. I hope they don't have the rule that forces them to issue challenges...

Sorry to crush your last hope there, but.

I'm more annoyed that a Khornate daemon prince can't take an Axe of Blind Fury. Not being able to have T6 princes or a 4+ invul, or an Initiative of 9 is less of an issue.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
I'm more annoyed that a Khornate daemon prince can't take an Axe of Blind Fury. Not being able to have T6 princes or a 4+ invul, or an Initiative of 9 is less of an issue.

Who says you can't. I'm giving to be running a DP with Blackmace for a bazillion AP2 attacks.

FallenAfh wrote:

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
I'm more annoyed that a Khornate daemon prince can't take an Axe of Blind Fury. Not being able to have T6 princes or a 4+ invul, or an Initiative of 9 is less of an issue.

Who says you can't. I'm giving to be running a DP with Blackmace for a bazillion AP2 attacks.

Phil Kelly says. You need to have MoK to take the axe. You can't mark princes.

 GreyHamster wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Robbietobbie wrote:
Only thing a cultist champion can take is a shotgun

So they cannot access the armoury? That is disappointing. I hope they don't have the rule that forces them to issue challenges...

Sorry to crush your last hope there, but.

What? Are you saying that we get a model with worse stats than an IG sargeant, no access to any sort of specialised CC weaponry, that has to issue challenges?

Can someone please list all the sneaky options in the book? So far I know you can use a count-as Huron Blackheart if you want to play Alpha Legion, and that jump pack and terminator armour troops can deep strike, but what more? Are there seriously no other options for infiltrating or scouting other than Hurons special warlord trait?

 Crimson wrote:

 GreyHamster wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Robbietobbie wrote:
Only thing a cultist champion can take is a shotgun

So they cannot access the armoury? That is disappointing. I hope they don't have the rule that forces them to issue challenges...

Sorry to crush your last hope there, but.

What? Are you saying that we get a model with worse stats than an IG sargeant, no access to any sort of specialised CC weaponry, that has to issue challenges?

yup!

Those with the Codex, am I reading it right that you can take a lord/sorcerer w/ terminator armor AND a mount?

 Crimson wrote:

 GreyHamster wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Robbietobbie wrote:
Only thing a cultist champion can take is a shotgun

So they cannot access the armoury? That is disappointing. I hope they don't have the rule that forces them to issue challenges...

Sorry to crush your last hope there, but.

What? Are you saying that we get a model with worse stats than an IG sargeant, no access to any sort of specialised CC weaponry, that has to issue challenges?

You can have. . . marks. For entirely too much. But essentially yes.

 Swara wrote:
Those with the Codex, am I reading it right that you can take a lord/sorcerer w/ terminator armor AND a mount?

You just might be O.o Wow I guess that's gonna get faq'ed though

 Robbietobbie wrote:


yup!

Well that sucks. In first round of CC you are forced to sacrifice your leader, dropping your Ld and making the entire squad more likely to rout.

My Khornate CC cultists will be a blast!