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If a missile launcher can 1 Shot a Hammerhead, why shouldn't it be able to 1 shot a crisis or broadside?

I just want any drones(gun, marker, shield, whatever) put into a Suit squad to have T* so they don't run afoul of majority toughness rules.

Also, all drones should be able to Look Out Sir! suits regardless of whether or not the original target of the attack is a character. Gun drones should LoS! on a 4+ and shield drones on a 2+.


The BS for Shas'ui doesn't need to be boosted, they just need to make markerlights cheaper and more available across the army.

RogueRegault wrote:
I just want any drones(gun, marker, shield, whatever) put into a Suit squad to have T* so they don't run afoul of majority toughness rules.

Also, all drones should be able to Look Out Sir! suits regardless of whether or not the original target of the attack is a character. Gun drones should LoS! on a 4+ and shield drones on a 2+.


The BS for Shas'ui doesn't need to be boosted, they just need to make markerlights cheaper and more available across the army.

We are only Shas'ui in a suit should be BS4. They are our Elites for Pete's sake. According to the fluff it takes over 4 years of service and combat to even be able to pilot a Crisis, Broadside, or Stealth Suit. Keep infantry Shas'ui BS3. Reduce the cost of Shas'ui for Fire Warriors and Pathfinders and auto include him and photon grenades into the units.

Can we get back to rumors before this gets locked for wishlisting?

But i only got to do it once.

 pretre wrote:
Can we get back to rumors before this gets locked for wishlisting?

Yeah...I honestly think that, again, the rumors have dried up (thus the move to wishlisting)...not just for Tau, either. I'm thinking that due to the lack of any strong rumors so close to a WD release, November may be for LotR (or GW has effectively choked off the a lot of the leakers), which means that DA is probably going to be the first 40k codex of 2013. With WoC and Daemons rumored to be on the docket as well, I'm thinking that at the earliest we would see Tau is possibly March/April timeframe, which puts it in line with what most of the reputable rumor mongers have said.

Which is a good thing. The earliest codexes of the new edition end up being eclipsed fairly rapidly.

I'm happy to wait.

Ok, So what do you guys speculate the close combat suits will be? And i wonder how they will look, will they be just as bulky as they are now?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, So what do you guys speculate the close combat suits will be? And i wonder how they will look, will they be just as bulky as they are now?

Oh my imagination went all sorts of directions when I saw this rumor.
I picture them being either XV1 or XV2 sized.
Personal flechette dischargers on the suit?
Close range built in mini disruption pod?
I imagine they will be built for speed, and not bulky power. Maybe even enhanced speed, requiring a lot of training to get used to it.

I picture them using a sword type weapon with a plasma blade that flashes out from the handle when it's swung, and retracts back in after the swing. That way it doesn't drag the way a conventional blade would and they can swing it much more rapidly... Maybe have a plasma pistol incorporated on the back of the other hand.

OR maybe a shield device on one hand that emits a razor sharp circular energy field.

Whatever it does, this suit has the potential to sell the army for being high tech ninja.

I think if Tau get a "close combat" Crisis suit, it won't actually be geared for close combat. It would have some kind of blast radius around it or assault deterrent like flechette launchers to wound things on the way in, and then Hit & Run to get away from any given fight. Giving Tau a bunch of Gundams with beam sabers is silly and unfluffy.

I can totally see Tau units taking flash bangs to let them use the blind special rule. WS 2 means nothing if your enemy is WS 1!

The photon grenades and the photon grenade launchers on the pulse carbines should really allow one to deliver Blind attacks instead of the funky Stealth USR and making the carbines pinning.

As for the 'Close Combat' suits,I am thinking a light version of the Hazard suit with built in defensive grenades, hit and run and short range, high rate of fire weapons. Maybe a template weapon in place of a Flechete Discharger style weapon.

Vague idea that a Farsight list might have an option for giving Crisis suits power swords...

NO, WAIT. PHASED ION SWORDS. WHICH ARE POWER WEAPONS WITH AP3.

Sigh.

Tau players, you are awesome. Despite playing an army that essentially is made of smurfs with an incredibly outdated codex, you still play on! Your will seems to be unbreakable! Your courage is yet to be matched!

It would only be fair, GW, if you allowed Tau to take Railcannons as a standard choice. It's not much asked for and Tau really deserve this! Those guys are awesome!!!

Post may or may not be influenced by the fact that Necrons can take Tau allies and lack AP2.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Tau players, you are awesome. Despite playing an army that essentially is made of smurfs with an incredibly outdated codex, you still play on! Your will seems to be unbreakable! Your courage is yet to be matched![/size]

Pfft if DE players can rough it for 14 years we can at least try to match them

I have always wanted to like tau, hopefully they get a cc monster (metaforically) which won't be lychguard'ed and be made to cost a whole small game for a max size unit... (butthurt)

 HoverBoy wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Tau players, you are awesome. Despite playing an army that essentially is made of smurfs with an incredibly outdated codex, you still play on! Your will seems to be unbreakable! Your courage is yet to be matched![/size]

Pfft if DE players can rough it for 14 years we can at least try to match them

Didn't Grey Knights suck for quite a while as well?

 d-usa wrote:

 HoverBoy wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Tau players, you are awesome. Despite playing an army that essentially is made of smurfs with an incredibly outdated codex, you still play on! Your will seems to be unbreakable! Your courage is yet to be matched![/size]

Pfft if DE players can rough it for 14 years we can at least try to match them

Didn't Grey Knights suck for quite a while as well?

Don't forget Necrons.

True but i think DE hold the record for now.

The moment 6th ed tau are actually announced I shall sell both my old blood angel and orginial tau models and start a brand new fresh tau army (alot of the tau models are 6-7 years old :S)

 Superscope wrote:
The moment 6th ed tau are actually announced I shall sell both my old blood angel and orginial tau models and start a brand new fresh tau army (alot of the tau models are 6-7 years old :S)

The Fire Warrior model is actually quite nice - very crisp and stylish. The crisis suits now look too gundam-y, and I would prefer a style closer to Macross or Evangelion. Then again, I'm in love with the current Eldar models. I strongly dislike the forgeworld vehicles past Remora drones though, so I hope they don't steal much besides the xv-9's that I currently use as broadsides.

uberjoras wrote:

 Superscope wrote:
The moment 6th ed tau are actually announced I shall sell both my old blood angel and orginial tau models and start a brand new fresh tau army (alot of the tau models are 6-7 years old :S)

The Fire Warrior model is actually quite nice - very crisp and stylish. The crisis suits now look too gundam-y, and I would prefer a style closer to Macross or Evangelion. Then again, I'm in love with the current Eldar models. I strongly dislike the forgeworld vehicles past Remora drones though, so I hope they don't steal much besides the xv-9's that I currently use as broadsides.

The Remora drones look sweet! I have no idea what they do, or what's special about them since I've had my Tau army for about 3 days haha

uberjoras wrote:

 Superscope wrote:
The moment 6th ed tau are actually announced I shall sell both my old blood angel and orginial tau models and start a brand new fresh tau army (alot of the tau models are 6-7 years old :S)

The Fire Warrior model is actually quite nice - very crisp and stylish. The crisis suits now look too gundam-y, and I would prefer a style closer to Macross or Evangelion. Then again, I'm in love with the current Eldar models. I strongly dislike the forgeworld vehicles past Remora drones though, so I hope they don't steal much besides the xv-9's that I currently use as broadsides.

I'd rather they keep the suits similar to what they are now but slightly sleeker (after all, technology becomes smaller over time so it makes sense that the XV8s would become slightly smaller as the Tau develop ways to fit the same tech into a smaller volume) and more customisable/posable. The suits in Evangelion don't look like they're a piloted machine, more like a giant man. So my personal preference is to keep the somewhat grounded in reality look.

uberjoras wrote:
The Fire Warrior model is actually quite nice - very crisp and stylish. The crisis suits now look too gundam-y, and I would prefer a style closer to Macross or Evangelion.

No, they don't look like Gundams. There is not a single design element shared between Gundams and XV-8s, apart from both having straight lines. If that's all it takes to look like a Gundam, then Johnny 5 from Short Circuit is a Gundam. I really wish this meme would die.

What GW needs to do is not copy someone else's IP style, but rather come up with their own designs that look good. The concept sketches for XV-8s that were made way back in preparation for Codex: Tau Empire are perfectly good, original designs that capture the Tau aesthetic without copying anyone else's style. Why GW didn't run with them what, 5 years ago is anyone's guess.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

uberjoras wrote:

 Superscope wrote:
The moment 6th ed tau are actually announced I shall sell both my old blood angel and orginial tau models and start a brand new fresh tau army (alot of the tau models are 6-7 years old :S)

The Fire Warrior model is actually quite nice - very crisp and stylish. The crisis suits now look too gundam-y, and I would prefer a style closer to Macross or Evangelion. Then again, I'm in love with the current Eldar models. I strongly dislike the forgeworld vehicles past Remora drones though, so I hope they don't steal much besides the xv-9's that I currently use as broadsides.

I'd rather they keep the suits similar to what they are now but slightly sleeker (after all, technology becomes smaller over time so it makes sense that the XV8s would become slightly smaller as the Tau develop ways to fit the same tech into a smaller volume) and more customisable/posable. The suits in Evangelion don't look like they're a piloted machine, more like a giant man. So my personal preference is to keep the somewhat grounded in reality look.

The EVAs aren't piloted machines, they're clones of an angel that have a cockpit stabbed into their back.

Tau esthetic is one part Appleseed, one part Macross, five parts blatant copying from RIFTS World Book 5:Triax and the NGR.

 caminacambob wrote:
Just because someone can potentially take a stupid combinations should not prevent someone from taking a list composed of the models they want from an army they want...

I didn't say that either. Hell, I didn't even imply it.

I personally LOVE the design of the XV9's.. they remind me A LOT of the good days of armored core (Everything pre-AC 5)

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

uberjoras wrote:

 Superscope wrote:
The moment 6th ed tau are actually announced I shall sell both my old blood angel and orginial tau models and start a brand new fresh tau army (alot of the tau models are 6-7 years old :S)

The Fire Warrior model is actually quite nice - very crisp and stylish. The crisis suits now look too gundam-y, and I would prefer a style closer to Macross or Evangelion. Then again, I'm in love with the current Eldar models. I strongly dislike the forgeworld vehicles past Remora drones though, so I hope they don't steal much besides the xv-9's that I currently use as broadsides.

I'd rather they keep the suits similar to what they are now but slightly sleeker (after all, technology becomes smaller over time so it makes sense that the XV8s would become slightly smaller as the Tau develop ways to fit the same tech into a smaller volume) and more customisable/posable. The suits in Evangelion don't look like they're a piloted machine, more like a giant man. So my personal preference is to keep the somewhat grounded in reality look.

They don't look like piloted machines, because they aren't piloted machine. It's the equivilent of lobotomizing and cyborgifying a greater daemon and sticking a cultist "pilot" inside it to attempt to make their mind more like its to make it move.

 TheMind wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

uberjoras wrote:

 Superscope wrote:
The moment 6th ed tau are actually announced I shall sell both my old blood angel and orginial tau models and start a brand new fresh tau army (alot of the tau models are 6-7 years old :S)

The Fire Warrior model is actually quite nice - very crisp and stylish. The crisis suits now look too gundam-y, and I would prefer a style closer to Macross or Evangelion. Then again, I'm in love with the current Eldar models. I strongly dislike the forgeworld vehicles past Remora drones though, so I hope they don't steal much besides the xv-9's that I currently use as broadsides.

I'd rather they keep the suits similar to what they are now but slightly sleeker (after all, technology becomes smaller over time so it makes sense that the XV8s would become slightly smaller as the Tau develop ways to fit the same tech into a smaller volume) and more customisable/posable. The suits in Evangelion don't look like they're a piloted machine, more like a giant man. So my personal preference is to keep the somewhat grounded in reality look.

They don't look like piloted machines, because they aren't piloted machine. It's the equivilent of lobotomizing and cyborgifying a greater daemon and sticking a cultist "pilot" inside it to attempt to make their mind more like its to make it move.

Which would explain why it doesn't look like a machine and make it even less sensible to have the Tau driving them (or something that looks like them considering the technology required to make a machine which could move and look like that) around.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 TheMind wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

uberjoras wrote:

 Superscope wrote:
The moment 6th ed tau are actually announced I shall sell both my old blood angel and orginial tau models and start a brand new fresh tau army (alot of the tau models are 6-7 years old :S)

The Fire Warrior model is actually quite nice - very crisp and stylish. The crisis suits now look too gundam-y, and I would prefer a style closer to Macross or Evangelion. Then again, I'm in love with the current Eldar models. I strongly dislike the forgeworld vehicles past Remora drones though, so I hope they don't steal much besides the xv-9's that I currently use as broadsides.

I'd rather they keep the suits similar to what they are now but slightly sleeker (after all, technology becomes smaller over time so it makes sense that the XV8s would become slightly smaller as the Tau develop ways to fit the same tech into a smaller volume) and more customisable/posable. The suits in Evangelion don't look like they're a piloted machine, more like a giant man. So my personal preference is to keep the somewhat grounded in reality look.

They don't look like piloted machines, because they aren't piloted machine. It's the equivilent of lobotomizing and cyborgifying a greater daemon and sticking a cultist "pilot" inside it to attempt to make their mind more like its to make it move.

Which would explain why it doesn't look like a machine and make it even less sensible to have the Tau driving them (or something that looks like them considering the technology required to make a machine which could move and look like that) around.

Exactly. Now a style closer to macross than Gundam I could get behind, because outside the original series, Zeta and Katoki's works, the MS design in gundam has always been kinda iffy. Now Macross's stuff looks fantastic.