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 azazel the cat wrote:

AustonT wrote:
I meant my point about the difference between cod players and attention whores. And there is a big difference, of which I have provided examples.

And no, we don't.

I guess I missed that too, I'll go back and look tomorrow.

PS ration+healthcare=Canada.

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 sebster wrote:

 Bromsy wrote:
Maaaan, I spent a few months shelving books at a Barnes and Noble... you need to go look at the covers of some romance novels.

No, maybe you could do with reading more closely in future, though.

I said there's plenty of female fantasies, mentioning the recent 50 Shades thing, and certainly all those romance novels do the trick as well. But the point is these are not the fantasies portrayed in comic books, which are almost entirely focused on a young male audience.

Dude, look at your standard muscle bound comic book hero, then look at the cover of your standard trashy romance novel, 9/10 it's the same guy with a Fabio haricut.... and in a kilt frequently for some reason.

I'm not disagreeing with your point about where comic books are intended audience wise, and their depiction of what a manly man should look like, but Bromsy's point that the comicbook Man(tm) bears more then a passing resemblance to the romance novel Man(tm) is a fair one.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:


Dude, look at your standard muscle bound comic book hero, then look at the cover of your standard trashy romance novel, 9/10 it's the same guy with a Fabio haricut.... and in a kilt frequently for some reason.

I'm not disagreeing with your point about where comic books are intended audience wise, and their depiction of what a manly man should look like, but Bromsy's point that the comicbook Man(tm) bears more then a passing resemblance to the romance novel Man(tm) is a fair one.

Maybe, if we look entirely at the pec size then Fabio and Captain America are bit similar. Point taken.

But it's more than just the look. The guy in the comic book swaps between wounded male ego and ultraviolence. The guy in the romance novel swaps between insufferable romantic pining and dashing heroism/martyrdom.

This is because one appeals to boys, and one appeals to girls.

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
And Frazzled are you really promoting physical violence as an acceptable alternative?

Yep. A good rabbit punch to the manbag would have straightened the situation right up. Plus it would be epic filmage.

Do people really think thats ok?

Yep

Because all it takes is one wrong guy and suddenly your daughter is lying in a gutter beaten and broken.

You clearly missed the "Genghis" part of Genghis Connie there didn't you. She could beat hell out 99% of the people at a comic convention now, much less when she's that age.

Violence is never the answer

Tell Hitler that.

unless your in actual physical harm and to promote it otherwise is horribly dumb. And please spare me some stupid weiner dog comment or how you'll shoot that person or some such.

You seem personally invested, insulted even. Here lie down on this couch. Have a cookie.
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But Im glad that my theory has been helped along. Rude comments to woman = evil. Physical violence to a man = you go girl!

And Mannahain thats gotta be one of the worst most one sided summaries Ive ever seen. I get it you dont like any of our arguments, some dumb posts aside. That doesn't invalidate them though. I get you think a woman could never do something with an ulterior motive and that anyone that thinks different from you is a misogynistic cretin, but really, nobody here knows but her.

So what? Lets assume she went there Paris Hilton style to make a name and then make bank. Its all good until the geeks - and lets be real thats what they were, Dorito eating manboys who probably outclassed here in the mammary size department- go wannabe rape posse on her.

Men are pigs. Where are the other men correcting them on their behavior?


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 Mannahnin wrote:
I found something on which I agree with Dutch.

Women don't need to be kicking guys in the balls, as a rule. Being prepared to deal with a physical confrontation if needed is a useful skill for anyone, of course, but there's rarely justification to start one.

They don't need to. Its a nice option. Its like chocolate icecream. I don't need an extra scoop with M&Ms folded in and covered with hot chocolate. I want it.

Frankly your average grrrl could beat helloutta most people at a comic convention.


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 whembly wrote:

 Mannahnin wrote:
I found something on which I agree with Dutch.

Women don't need to be kicking guys in the balls, as a rule. Being prepared to deal with a physical confrontation if needed is a useful skill for anyone, of course, but there's rarely justification to start one.

Okay... kicking the jewels in this case is excessive.

No no. excessive is getting a hammer for the job.


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 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Mannahnin wrote:
I found something on which I agree with Dutch.

Women don't need to be kicking guys in the balls, as a rule. Being prepared to deal with a physical confrontation if needed is a useful skill for anyone, of course, but there's rarely justification to start one.

Appropriate use of force kids. Bad words don't rate a beating. However should someone lay hands on someone aggressively, no matter the gender of the individual being attacked, I must admit I heartily support a good kick between the uprights as an initial disabler. Cheap? Yes. Unfair? The only fair fight is the one you win and the street isn't a sparring ring.

Yes but thats not what anyone was advocating. Frazzled, whembly and quite a few others were saying she should have punched him or kicked him right there no stage. As if acting like a child would give her the upper hand.

You're right. She should have smashed a folding chair over him and then kick him until the police come and have to drag her out, still screaming and kicking him. After all never fight fair.
Its what a chola would do.


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 Mannahnin wrote:
Well, it did go 20 pages, and I think just about every possible dumb thing to say on the subject has already been said.

You underestimate our ability to say dumb things. We have two or so more pages...


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 Testify wrote:

 Kaldor wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
typical douche baggery

The behaviour that sparked this thread is NOT typical douchebaggery. It's sexual harassment, and should be viewed and treated as such.

Having people look at your tits and ask you what bra size you are is NOT sexual harassment.

Try it at work in front of your boss. Tell us how it works out.


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 Testify wrote:
So any guy who's ever stared at a woman has committed sexual harassment?

You're not fething serious? That's so stupid it's not worth refuting.

Comments are. COmments will get you sued and fired in a workplace environment. What are you...twelve?

I have to point out like fraz, it really is wholly irresponsible to tell your daughter to hit men, because modern men have had to deal with modern women, and as a result a great many will happily chin them.

I have hit.. Let me think... Four or five women. One hit me with a bottle and got uppercutted, one kneed me in the balls and got thrown down some stairs, and one threw a glass of wine on me, wore my pint of Guinness shortly afterwards and then threw about 4 punches at me and also got chinned.

The point is, irresponsible dads teach daddy's girl to hit men and then they think it's perfectly acceptable and utterly without consequences.

Responsible dads like mattys say, never ever hit a woman, but demand the same back, and if one wants to fight like a man, fething hit her like one.

I'm a nice bloke, I've been with my missus for six years and have never laid a glove on her, because she is nice too and only shouts when she is angry.

If you really are teaching her to act like one of those awful women who thinks they can march around beating men up, I suggest you change direction, because seriously a great many men subscribe to my philosophy. If a bird throws more than 3 in my direction she gets a bat in the mouth.

Obviously I don't kick them when they are down or anything...

I'm a gentleman don't you know!

 mattyrm wrote:
I have to point out like fraz, it really is wholly irresponsible to tell your daughter to hit men, because modern men have had to deal with modern women, and as a result a great many will happily chin them.

I have hit.. Let me think... Four or five women. One hit me with a bottle and got uppercutted, one kneed me in the balls and got thrown down some stairs, and one threw a glass of wine on me, wore my pint of Guinness shortly afterwards and then threw about 4 punches at me and also got chinned.

The point is, irresponsible dads teach daddy's girl to hit men and then they think it's perfectly acceptable and utterly without consequences.

Responsible dads like mattys say, never ever hit a woman, but demand the same back, and if one wants to fight like a man, fething hit her like one.

I'm a nice bloke, I've been with my missus for six years and have never laid a glove on her, because she is nice too and only shouts when she is angry.

If you really are teaching her to act like one of those awful women who thinks they can march around beating men up, I suggest you change direction, because seriously a great many men subscribe to my philosophy. If a chicken throws more than 3 in my direction she gets a bat in the mouth.

Obviously I don't kick them when they are down or anything...

I'm a gentleman don't you know!

YOu lost me completely after you said you threw your Guinness on her. That poor poor beer. Barbarian!!!!

 mattyrm wrote:
. One hit me with a bottle and got uppercutted, one kneed me in the balls and got thrown down some stairs, and one threw a glass of wine on me, wore my pint of Guinness shortly afterwards and then threw about 4 punches at me and also got chinned.

.. rest of the night out was alright though yeah ?

 reds8n wrote:

 mattyrm wrote:
. One hit me with a bottle and got uppercutted, one kneed me in the balls and got thrown down some stairs, and one threw a glass of wine on me, wore my pint of Guinness shortly afterwards and then threw about 4 punches at me and also got chinned.

.. rest of the night out was alright though yeah ?

That was just Matty's morning in the Starbucks line, also known as regular Tuesday. Its hell getting that triple mocha decaf latte.

 reds8n wrote:

 mattyrm wrote:
. One hit me with a bottle and got uppercutted, one kneed me in the balls and got thrown down some stairs, and one threw a glass of wine on me, wore my pint of Guinness shortly afterwards and then threw about 4 punches at me and also got chinned.

.. rest of the night out was alright though yeah ?

Good one!

Seriously though, it was common as feth in barrack towns where birds hate blokes because of the gak they do. I once wrote a girl for a mate saying he got killed in an avalanche when we were in Norway, I hope he didnt bump into her again.

I'm not saying men aren't proper bastards sometimes, I'm just saying its ridiculously irresponsible to tell chicks to chin people! My old man trained me.. I always count to three (legally covered in case of CCTV or witnesses) and if they are still swinging I fething drop them. A woman can throw a good punch, one chick hit me right in the throat (this is the one I couldn't defend against the flurry of punches one handed so I tragically had to mash my cheesy chips into her face) and it properly fethed me.. what if they get a lucky punch, hit you on the temple and then fully boot the feth out of you?

Its sensible to defend yourself against violence regardless of the sex of the attacker.. when that fat fether in the kebab shop shifted her ample frame with surprising agility and rabbit punched me in the windpipe I was gasping for breath and I desperately squished my almost full tray of freshly made scran into her grid! The one who bottled me on the side of the napper (just because she was singing and I said "feth me, can't you bloody whistle?!" ) I put my hand to my head, and when my palm came away red I chinned the fether...

Anyway, what I'm driving at is that its never acceptable to chin someone for a bit of verbal. Its always the same with the girls that do it. They escalate the situation and then resort to violence because they think they can. The chick I hoyed down the stairs in a club needlessly called me a name (a spotty fether I think.. I'm not even spotty I just had a particularly large one right on my forehead at the time!) so I did the same, she then called me something else, so then I called her a name, and the next thing she is swinging at me? What the feths that all about?!

People are just like animals, they need to learn consequences.... seriously you can ask my missus. I was spinning some of my always popular "acts of violence on women" yarns at a party a few months ago and some chick who didn't know me very well actually asked my missus If I had ever hit her and she said "of course not" and she then said "I have never hit him either though even when I am super annoyed with him, because I know he would hit me back!"

Fear of retaliation is the way to have a purposely harmonious relationship. Just look at the nuclear deterrent!

You realize what you're really saying is that there are wimminz almost the equal of the mighty Matty. they could undoubtedly kill many a mortal man.

Tough chicks there, almost as tough as Latinas. Almost.
(ok not by a country mile but still tough).

 Frazzled wrote:

Violence is never the answer

Tell Hitler that.

Not a fan of the Godwin but yes, violence is often the answer.

 Frazzled wrote:
You realize what you're really saying is that there are wimminz almost the equal of the mighty Matty. they could undoubtedly kill many a mortal man.

Tough chicks there, almost as tough as Latinas. Almost.
(ok not by a country mile but still tough).

I'm not even remotely saying that.. All I am saying is what I started the entire discussion about, and thats that if you teach your daughter to strike men, then a man will strike her back, and thats not a good thing. Especially the balls man.. Its not like on comedy Hollywood movies where it instantly drops you to the floor, it just makes you wince in pain and then any sense of restraint vanishes.

All im saying is, don't teach the kid to knee guys in the balls or she might end up getting a smack in the mouth off a big bloke.

 dogma wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

Violence is never the answer

Tell Hitler that.

Not a fan of the Godwin but yes, violence is often the answer.

"If violence isn't the answer, you're not using enough!"
-Curtis LeMay


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 mattyrm wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
You realize what you're really saying is that there are wimminz almost the equal of the mighty Matty. they could undoubtedly kill many a mortal man.

Tough chicks there, almost as tough as Latinas. Almost.
(ok not by a country mile but still tough).

I'm not even remotely saying that.. All I am saying is what I started the entire discussion about, and thats that if you teach your daughter to strike men, then a man will strike her back, and thats not a good thing. Especially the balls man.. Its not like on comedy Hollywood movies where it instantly drops you to the floor, it just makes you wince in pain and then any sense of restraint vanishes.

All im saying is, don't teach the kid to knee guys in the balls or she might end up getting a smack in the mouth off a big bloke.

What if you teach your daughter to be like Grandma, and if they displease you run them over?

What if you teach your daughter like you teach your son, that if they strike someone else they might strike back?

 mattyrm wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
You realize what you're really saying is that there are wimminz almost the equal of the mighty Matty. they could undoubtedly kill many a mortal man.

Tough chicks there, almost as tough as Latinas. Almost.
(ok not by a country mile but still tough).

I'm not even remotely saying that.. All I am saying is what I started the entire discussion about, and thats that if you teach your daughter to strike men, then a man will strike her back, and thats not a good thing. Especially the balls man.. Its not like on comedy Hollywood movies where it instantly drops you to the floor, it just makes you wince in pain and then any sense of restraint vanishes.

All im saying is, don't teach the kid to knee guys in the balls or she might end up getting a smack in the mouth off a big bloke.

Quoted for truth. Being bunched in the balls hurts but it's nothing compared to what a guy can and would do to a woman.

 Frazzled wrote:

What if you teach your daughter to be like Grandma, and if they displease you run them over?

Much better, no danger of getting a punch in the mouth then.

May be some legal issues though.. especially if she gets sued... and then you know she's going to be running to Daddy to settle the bill.

honestly as far as teaching girls to fight back, I say yes, but with moderation. when my sister took a class at her school on self defense that was really just a confidence booster I decided to teach her the real universal weak points (eyes, joints, kidneys, ect.) then when someone tried to grope her at a party she grabbed the guy's hand and bent his finger in a way it's not supposed to bend until he begged for mercy. no permanent damage, just like I taught her. I was so proud of her.

 Yojiro wrote:
What if you teach your daughter like you teach your son, that if they strike someone else they might strike back?

Er...I taught them don't start the fight but by God finish it and finish it so onesidedly you'll never be bothered again. I don't know how mom raised you people, but thats how I was raised.

(Also how to drink chickory coffee but I digress)


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 mattyrm wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
You realize what you're really saying is that there are wimminz almost the equal of the mighty Matty. they could undoubtedly kill many a mortal man.

Tough chicks there, almost as tough as Latinas. Almost.
(ok not by a country mile but still tough).

I'm not even remotely saying that.. All I am saying is what I started the entire discussion about, and thats that if you teach your daughter to strike men, then a man will strike her back, and thats not a good thing. Especially the balls man.. Its not like on comedy Hollywood movies where it instantly drops you to the floor, it just makes you wince in pain and then any sense of restraint vanishes.

All im saying is, don't teach the kid to knee guys in the balls or she might end up getting a smack in the mouth off a big bloke.

Come on we know thats what you're really saying. Now time to man up and apologize for abusing that poor innocent Guiness, who never did any harm to you.
OT what do you count Guinness as? Its too much to be a beer, and if you say malt liquor here, people think bad cadillacs and mad dog 40 40.

 dogma wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

Violence is never the answer

Tell Hitler that.

Not a fan of the Godwin but yes, violence is often the answer.

"Anyone who clings to the historically untrue — and thoroughly immoral — doctrine that "violence never solves anything" I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon."

Couldn't resist.

Indeed good sir.

If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared.
-Niccolo Machiavelli

 mattyrm wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

What if you teach your daughter to be like Grandma, and if they displease you run them over?

Much better, no danger of getting a punch in the mouth then.

May be some legal issues though.. especially if she gets sued... and then you know she's going to be running to Daddy to settle the bill.

Well, once again, Grandma comes to the rescue.
"Remember GC, do like Grandma did and be sure to run them over twice."
-Rule #2: Double Tap -Zombieland


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 Testify wrote:

 mattyrm wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
You realize what you're really saying is that there are wimminz almost the equal of the mighty Matty. they could undoubtedly kill many a mortal man.

Tough chicks there, almost as tough as Latinas. Almost.
(ok not by a country mile but still tough).

I'm not even remotely saying that.. All I am saying is what I started the entire discussion about, and thats that if you teach your daughter to strike men, then a man will strike her back, and thats not a good thing. Especially the balls man.. Its not like on comedy Hollywood movies where it instantly drops you to the floor, it just makes you wince in pain and then any sense of restraint vanishes.

All im saying is, don't teach the kid to knee guys in the balls or she might end up getting a smack in the mouth off a big bloke.

Quoted for truth. Being bunched in the balls hurts but it's nothing compared to what a guy can and would do to a woman.

I had an ex that wouldn't punch you. She'd just stab you. Which is worse?


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 yeri wrote:
honestly as far as teaching girls to fight back, I say yes, but with moderation. when my sister took a class at her school on self defense that was really just a confidence booster I decided to teach her the real universal weak points (eyes, joints, kidneys, ect.) then when someone tried to grope her at a party she grabbed the guy's hand and bent his finger in a way it's not supposed to bend until he begged for mercy. no permanent damage, just like I taught her. I was so proud of her.

Brings a tear to my eye.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Yojiro wrote:
What if you teach your daughter like you teach your son, that if they strike someone else they might strike back?

Er...I taught them don't start the fight but by God finish it and finish it so onesidedly you'll never be bothered again. I don't know how mom raised you people, but thats how I was raised.

(Also how to drink chickory coffee but I digress)

We Portuguese lot are a very peaceful people.

"Look there's no fuss, can't we discuss this over a beer or something?" Is how I was raised.

 Yojiro wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Yojiro wrote:
What if you teach your daughter like you teach your son, that if they strike someone else they might strike back?

Er...I taught them don't start the fight but by God finish it and finish it so onesidedly you'll never be bothered again. I don't know how mom raised you people, but thats how I was raised.

(Also how to drink chickory coffee but I digress)

We Portuguese lot are a very peaceful people.

"Look there's no fuss, can't we discuss this over a beer or something?" Is how I was raised.

I was raised by a foreigner. My mom was from Louisiana.*

*This explains a lot actually.
Damn now I may have to go to Treebeards for lunch.

 Frazzled wrote:

I had an ex that wouldn't punch you. She'd just stab you. Which is worse?

A woman with a knife is still just a woman. Assuming her boyfriend is a big bastard she still doesn't have a chance.

You honestly need to watch less action films. I can't remember the last time I watched one that *didn't* feature a 120lb woman kicking the gak out of 200lb men.

 Testify wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

I had an ex that wouldn't punch you. She'd just stab you. Which is worse?

A woman with a knife is still just a woman. Assuming her boyfriend is a big bastard she still doesn't have a chance.

You honestly need to watch less action films. I can't remember the last time I watched one that *didn't* feature a 120lb woman kicking the gak out of 200lb men.

Not been in a knife fight before I take it.
I had an ex that would stab you. She was crazy. Hence my perspectyive is a little different.
Everyone should have at least one crazy ex in their past just to provide the proper context for when you meet your wife.

Now the gal before her was a chola. She wasn't crazy. She was downright scary. Yea!

It's not about strength, it's about skill. my sister and I once beat four fifth graders when we were in third (me) and first (her) grade. they just tried to blindly punch and kick, where as we approached it with a strategy and skill. the key to beating a bigger and stronger opponent is to use their mass against them. I'm just going to state for the record that in that fight they learned that sir Issac Newton is one badgak dude in a fight.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Testify wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

I had an ex that wouldn't punch you. She'd just stab you. Which is worse?

A woman with a knife is still just a woman. Assuming her boyfriend is a big bastard she still doesn't have a chance.

You honestly need to watch less action films. I can't remember the last time I watched one that *didn't* feature a 120lb woman kicking the gak out of 200lb men.

Not been in a knife fight before I take it.
I had an ex that would stab you. She was crazy. Hence my perspectyive is a little different.
Everyone should have at least one crazy ex in their past just to provide the proper context for when you meet your wife.

Now the gal before her was a chola. She wasn't crazy. She was downright scary. Yea!

Dude, I *am* the crazy ex. Shame I lost my knife in Edinburgh

 Testify wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Testify wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

I had an ex that wouldn't punch you. She'd just stab you. Which is worse?

A woman with a knife is still just a woman. Assuming her boyfriend is a big bastard she still doesn't have a chance.

You honestly need to watch less action films. I can't remember the last time I watched one that *didn't* feature a 120lb woman kicking the gak out of 200lb men.

Not been in a knife fight before I take it.
I had an ex that would stab you. She was crazy. Hence my perspectyive is a little different.
Everyone should have at least one crazy ex in their past just to provide the proper context for when you meet your wife.

Now the gal before her was a chola. She wasn't crazy. She was downright scary. Yea!

Dude, I *am* the crazy ex. Shame I lost my knife in Edinburgh

Just like an Aggie, bring a knife to a gunfight.

 Testify wrote:

A woman with a knife is still just a woman. Assuming her boyfriend is a big bastard she still doesn't have a chance.

That's not only deeply sexist, its dangerously wrong.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Yojiro wrote:
What if you teach your daughter like you teach your son, that if they strike someone else they might strike back?

OT what do you count Guinness as? Its too much to be a beer, and if you say malt liquor here, people think bad cadillacs and mad dog 40 40.

I believe it is known as a "stout."