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Hello everyone sorry for not getting on here and updating sooner. It has been a bit of a busy weekend with the kickstarter going live.

To answer the international shipping question is easy. The models will be made in one of two places. In the US or in China. Because the models would still have to travel to a distribution point in the UK it requires shipping to move the container filled with minis. The drawback to this means we have to charge a small fee for international shipping to cover some of the expense of these containers.

A container normally costs between $5000 to $7000 to ship and clear customs to the UK. Tag VAT on top of that and you see how much that really ends up being per customer. The shipping price that is given to the pledges does not really come close to how expensive it is to get the goods overseas. The other point is the shipping from the UK to the EU or homes across England. That also still requires shipping fees so that again is something that needed to be added.

The advantage with backing this kickstarter is that you will not have to pay any custom duties or fees on your goods. Because they will be shipping from the UK the EU and England are excused from those fees. We also helped the people pledging by adding lots of free goodies to to make up for the extra fee. This may not be the best answer but it is a truthful one that we hope people understand.

To answer the question about the Shameless bundle we have the following. Shameless seems odd now but will soon benefit from many of the great stretch goals still in the pipeline. We have yet to unlock Light Support Vehicles or the big stuff under the Heavy Support choice. These items will have all kinds of buy 2 get 1 free deals for the Shameless backers. The Shameless pledges will also benefit when the new Iron Horse are unlocked. They will have several deals and group discounts that lower level pledges will not qualify for. The templates are just the beginning for those.

Thank you for the questions and we look forward to making this a fun and rewarding kickstarter campaign for everyone pledging.

 Outlaw Miniatures wrote:
To answer the question about the Shameless bundle we have the following. Shameless seems odd now but will soon benefit from many of the great stretch goals still in the pipeline. We have yet to unlock Light Support Vehicles or the big stuff under the Heavy Support choice. These items will have all kinds of buy 2 get 1 free deals for the Shameless backers. The Shameless pledges will also benefit when the new Iron Horse are unlocked. They will have several deals and group discounts that lower level pledges will not qualify for. The templates are just the beginning for those.

So you're basically providing an incentive for early pledgers to jump to an increased pledge amount as time goes on. Okay. We'll see. Either way, Wyrd could certainly learn from this if they ever decide to do another kickstarter.

Breotan,

We just did some more updates and unlocked a few items for those high pledge levels. I think you'll see as it goes along that all kind of bonus items will start showing up. It's still early days yet.

New artwork methinks

2 agent concept arts look great (is that a revolving shotgun?), that vehicle looks haggard.

Looks like someone mounted super shredder's head on wheels.

yeah,

 Outlaw Miniatures wrote:
The models will be made in one of two places. In the US or in China. Because the models would still have to travel to a distribution point in the UK it requires shipping to move the container filled with minis. The drawback to this means we have to charge a small fee for international shipping to cover some of the expense of these containers...

I'd like to believe that it was this simple. I'd understand if everything was made in the US but it's not.
You're saying that American backers will be getting product shipped from China for free and delivered to their Door for free, while UK backers will pay extra for Shipping from US to UK?

I think you should include all shipping as part of the overall cost that everyone is paying.
You are international company with distribution in the UK.

Sorry but I'm Not backing this as a matter of principle.
I think that international backers should be treated with a bit more respect.

Panic...

I agree with Panic's feeling. I sometimes don't get how all those duties and tariffs work, but there has to be a way of including shipping in the price, especially with the new increase in US postage.

But... those special agents... man I want to pledge...

WWX, do you have cookies as well?

I totally agree with Panic, and will not either back this project as a matter of principle.

From the pictures of the sprues, someone's been dealing with Ghost Studios/Wargames Factory as well.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
From the pictures of the sprues, someone's been dealing with Ghost Studios/Wargames Factory as well.

Yup. I must say they sure are making a name for themselves, maybe it'll make Renedra start actually rev up their production!

Shame it's a bit of a stationary miniature. It also seems as if the dimensions are a bit off - thought that exoskeleton kind of thing might be throwing me off here.
Other than that, good stuff

 Bolognesus wrote:
Shame it's a bit of a stationary miniature. It also seems as if the dimensions are a bit off - thought that exoskeleton kind of thing might be throwing me off here.
Other than that, good stuff

The relative static poses of many of their "hired hands" models has been a regular complaint by many of us backers.

To that end they have responded and will (apparently shortly) be updating some of the poses to be more "dynamic" in nature. They said concept art of the new poses should be revealed soon.

hmm, That would make the effective $140 buy-in for an EU backer like me rather more attractive

I'm watching this to see how far it goes, but most of the models leave me thinking "meh". The leader-types seem to have had some work put into their posing and expressions, but the mainline troops look like the sculptor just moved a couple of limbs and went "looks good to me!"

Now, if there had been some mechanical horses in the mix (Yeah, like Legends of the Galaxy Rangers, but appropriately styled), I might have gotten into this. With the jetbikes looking like "Warhammer 1.8K", I'm not feeling it.

Head looks way too small for his body. And I'm not saying that I prefer the Perry Bros style so please don't infer anything along those lines. It's just that he looks a little like Beetlejuice at the end of the movie after he hacks off the witch doctor.

They've updated a few of the models and they look a lot better. I'm hoping that a few more poses are updated like this (honestly, any pose that hasn't been completed ideally). With the new poses and concepts like eiffel in the spider construct, I definitely am considering picking up some models, but there's some poses still that don't seem quite natural (both warrior nation with bows, and warrior nation with throwing spear stick out to me for example).

That's it. Nightmares guaranteed. Thanks WWE. Now I have to worry about steampunk spiders too. Geez...

@Breotan - The point you make about the heads is a valid one. We actually built them that way on purpose. These are dead bodies that have been given a metal harness body to help the reanimate. They also have a juiced up RJ-1027 power cell in their brains to get them to reanimate. What you are seeing as small heads is actually melted and decomposed skin and hair.

They also have very still poses (the enlightened) because they are slow and can't run. This is all part of the fluff and will be revealed once the book is released.

As for the other models in the range we have a very shooty game we designed. A lot of our models are in a upright shot or be shot position. That seems a bit odd at first but makes more sense when you see the terrain we are going to release. The terrain is designed for most models to be in an upright position when shooting.

We also have much more to reveal with this kickstarter and we really do read all the comments and suggestions. We have already started making changes and adjustments based on what backers have asked for.

Please feel free to post ideas and suggestions as needed. We will read them all and adjust if at all possible.

Pledge levels such as Wicked, Shameless and others will all get new bumps in the near future when more stretch goals are reached.

Please stay tuned and thank you to all the people that have pledged up to this point.

Those dynamic hired hands look wayyyyyy better!

I'm liking the look of these more and more with the dynamic poses. Been considering backing the outlaws, but painting the up like the old cartoon "the Galaxy Rangers". I can see gooseman, and the doctor already. Now I just need mechanical horses and a female model to turn into nico.

 RiTides wrote:
Those dynamic hired hands look wayyyyyy better!

Yes, they do.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
That's it. Nightmares guaranteed. Thanks WWE. Now I have to worry about steampunk spiders too. Geez...

You know, it never really dawned on me why outlaw miniatures abbreviated Wild West Exodus as WWX other than the X just looks "cooler" than E

Wonder if it has to do with to avoid confusion with Vinny Mac's World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE)?

Not that I believe it is some overstepping of some trademark (coughspacemarinecough), but wonder if WWX is a aesthetic choice (because Xs are always cooler) or to avoid potential conflict. It's not like the world has never seen a lawsuit over an abbreviation.

WWF (World Wildlife Fund) sued WWF (World Wrestling Federation).

I don't understand life sometimes.

@ Piston Honda - We went with WWX because it just looks cooler. Not much of wrestling fans around here. We are however huge Manning fans. Nice Avatar

Here are some other cool updates.

Updated sculpts are a step up, but still uninspiring. The faces all look like mannequins, which is lazy especially when there's all this effort being put into making the rest of the model more dynamic. You have a Union soldier landing from a jump a la Infinity, and he looks like he's listening to an accounting report. Seriously? I'm not saying they all need to show warrior screams like every GW plastic human, but a little emotion would sell the figure. Furrowed brows? Squinting? Anything?

The Warrior Nation braves look like poses from dollar store bags of plastic Indians. Like I said above, uninspiring. You have an excuse for the Enlightened line guys to be dull. What's the deal with these?

I think that the alt boss poses look pretty good. I like the alt Jesse James enough that I'd probably get him whether I was playing the game or not. Alt Grant should be the base version, though, and the existing base one should be scrapped. Again, dull. The base version looks like a vintage Star Wars figure that's had an arm raised. I assume he's supposed to be extending his sword to lead a charge, but the only feeling I get is an Obi-Wan Kenobi figure that's lost its little sliding lightsaber action. Zero presence or emotion.

Also in that "I'd find a use for that" is the Iron Hide. I like it. It has a nice Trigun feel to it.

So, nobody is talking about the rules?

Would be good to capture peoples thoughts on the playtest rules as imo this is just as important as the models themselves!

Me and my friend are seriously thinking about backing this to a high level. I understand the frustration with the shipping, but now I know I won't be paying customs I am so happy. It is customs that makes the costs go through the roof so I am pleased.

Please make sure you get plenty of stock over to the UK. I would also advise you speak to some of the really good gaming stores in the UK such as 4TK gaming in Colchester. These types of stores seem to do very well promoting new games and getting people into the hobby.

Please check out our kickstarter to find out more. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wildwestexodus/wild-west-exodus-sci-fi-western-miniatures-game

Well you all saw the preview for the robot deputy. Just some more information to ponder: next friday we will hear about the Union 21183 Rail. Have an idea as to what it is? Me, i thinking of an armoured train, but won't know until friday. The newest strech goal is the "Ladies of the West". They are special edition miniatures for each faction (Union, Enlightened, Warrior Nation, and Outlaws). The strech goal after this will be more sidekicks and for those liking the Warrior Nation these are a must have "Braves of the great Spirit". You'll know when you see them.

For all you who love the "firefly and Serenity", check out the Merc unit. If we can get over $200k, the Merc unit will recieve more members and a vehicle. A new pledge level will also be opening up on Monday. So please come over and take a look at this new wonderful universe.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wildwestexodus/wild-west-exodus-sci-fi-western-miniatures-game

Indians with bows need an arrow in their hand. You can do this similar to the way Malifaux did it with their Ten Thunders Archers. Without an arrow, they just look silly. Archers shouldn't be pulling back 'nothing'.

Darn, I'd love to use those models in a Fallout-esque setting, but the scale puts me off... Wierd how a few millimetres can make that much of a difference.

Any chance of seeing more scale comparison shots?

The people that are complaining about shipping costs sound like a bunch of wingers.
Try living in Australia were the price of every product is inflated and we still have to pay heavy shipping fees for anything produced over seas.