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sooooo I've had this idea of slapping tellion on an Icarus gun, and using that to snipe targets out of squads with s 9 ap2 goodness... Now... that entire kit costs yah about 120 points(?), assuming that you were going to throw camo cloaks on your scouts anyway.


My question is this, and I'm preeetttyy sure I already know the answer - no -, but here goes: Are there enough juicy targets out there in the wonderful world of meta to make the point investment worth it? And what would some of said targets be?

Most targets that make it worth your while have an invuk save anyway, take a quad if any.

How about see targets.

Chaos icon bearer - gone
Marine special/heavy weapon - gone
Marine sarge - 4+ to avoid
GK psycannon/banner bearer - 5+ invulnerable
SW wolf standard - gone
Eldar exarch - 4+ to avoid
Any attached IC - 2+ to avoid


The quad gun can cause more saves and is more reliable for sniping high armor save models. The Icarus is better at sniping away those pesky terminator specials. The Icarus is also better at dropping high armor tanks and its cheaper.

It's a neat idea, especially if you're just using the scouts as objective holders. You are basically getting a scoring Vindicare.

I like the idea of being able to take out special weapons troopers, but that's going to be the only reliable kill. Although the icarus will do some damage to fliers too so it's really a multi-purpose unit with Telion.

In short, yes.

Longer, tellion's BS5 means you will hit most times and the lascannon will get you a more likley penetrating hit since flyers are AV12 max.

It's helpful as well because camo-cloaked scouts with sniper rifles behind a defense line gives them a 2+ cover save and are ridiculously hard to dislodge.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Most targets that make it worth your while have an invuk save anyway, take a quad if any.

Was thinking about this... but do you really think that this will be a better buy for this particular combo? Rapes things with a 4+ save obviously, and... *calculating* wow... actually a better chance of putting a wound on a t5 or lower model with a 3+ save.. good call there.. Though much less satisfying than Tellion going "AHM A FIRIN MAH LAZAHHHHH"

also, 15 points more iirc.

Alright! so same question! but with an appended: Which is better for this role, Icarus or Quad gun?

The gun would not last very long due to it being able to be targeted seperatly IMO. If someone puts telson next to it that would be the first target.

It would still work out to be a nasty combo since the quad gun still has a 3+ armor and probably a 4+ cover save. If they're firing high powered weapons at the gun then that's kind of a win in my book, even without the gun Telion is still reasonably dangerous so if he loses the gun it's not that big a deal.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Most targets that make it worth your while have an invuk save anyway, take a quad if any.

This +10.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
Most targets that make it worth your while have an invuk save anyway, take a quad if any.

This +10.

What are the worthwhile targets that have an invulnerable save anyway?

Kal-El wrote:
The gun would not last very long due to it being able to be targeted seperatly IMO. If someone puts telson next to it that would be the first target.

Honestly, I don't know why people just don't kill the quad-gun. Running IG, elite slots aren't critical. 200 points of ratlings will drop that T7 3+ armor 4 cover gun in a phase.
I'd rather have the bastion, at least you get a great field of fire from it.

-Matt

Icarus has Skyfire and it's strength 9....did you consider that it could be used as AV or anti-flyer?

Those don't typically have invuln saves.

It's nifty... but a lot of points too.

The pros:

sniping whatever you want, with camo you have a 2+ cover save behind the aegis line. So they wont be dying.

The cons:

it's what, 147 for telion (1 wound) and 4 more scouts with ML/HB? Not much protection for him, ideally you'd want at least 8 total, which puts you close to 200 points. That's a LOT for essentially 1 precise las shot, a HB/ML, and some (albiet tough) scoring. Because here's the thing, the problem with scouts is that sure telion will be good at sniping things, but the rest of the scouts cant hit the broadside of a barn. BS3 + wound on a 4 means ur averaging wounds a turn with everything else, which is... not ideal.

Furthermore 1 las-shot is decent against armour but in the end unless you roll very well it still ususally takes 2-3 shots to take down the tank. And they fold in CC, dont handle deepstrikers well, and its 200 points! That's a 10 man tactical squad and nearly a transport for them, or a mortis contemptor who has.. .12 BS 5 AC shots and 2 CML missile shots for about cost. And can still man the icarus at bs 5 as well. You lose precision, but gain oh so much in firepower. So in the end, it's nifty but just too expensive for me.

DarthDiggler wrote:

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
Most targets that make it worth your while have an invuk save anyway, take a quad if any.

This +10.

What are the worthwhile targets that have an invulnerable save anyway?

I was more refering to the part about taking a Quad Gun over an Icarus, but if I must bite, I believe they are called characters.

 TedNugent wrote:
Icarus has Skyfire and it's strength 9....did you consider that it could be used as AV or anti-flyer?

Those don't typically have invuln saves.

I did. But I think that you're more likely to start doing damage to even vehicles with 4 TL s7 shots than 1 s9 shot... TIME FOR MATHHAMMER

s9 at bs6 vs AV 12 (tellion is six isn't he?) = 5/6(actually 31/36, but feth that, rounding down) * 1/2 = 5/12 to pen armor 12, + 1/12 to glance so a 50% chance to take off a hp

s7 at bs6 vs av 12 = (more than 35/36 to hit, so just saying a guaranteed hit) *1/6 = 1/6 to pen, and 1/6 to glance, so 1/3 to take off a hp... times four, so on average you're taking off 1& 1/3 hps off.

so yeah... much better against flyers (cause there aren't any with armor higher than 12 in the game right?)


but the idea for this guy would be taking out infantry models, because of the problems that Largo correctly pointed out in regards to shooting at tanks.

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Trading a single S9 shot for 4x S7 TL shots

IG have done the maths, its why you see so many autocannons.

It can take down AV 12, just takes time.

Only other consideration is Telions ability to snipe. Thus the non flier usage.

IMO given how hard it is to hit fliers, your AA needs to deal with those first, thus im in the camp of BS4 on TL quad is fine.

Yes for all you FW players im not counting FW because its not allowed at tournaments

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