Beyond The Gates Of Antares - Rick Priestley New Sci-Fi Game - Kickstarter Upcoming!

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**cerealkiller195**

lol nice way to look at it Pacific! the army deal doesn't look too bad, i usually average $100-150 as an average pledge of kick starter. The concept that you can "create" your own army as part of your pledge is doubly appealing. From whats written so far anyone have any favorites?

**KarlPedder**

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cerealkiller195 wrote:
i would hope that when the kickstarter is over people who pledged would have a rough draft of rules and army lists. Since i thought i saw something about play testing. Giving the rules/concepts over to players opens up the rules to hundreds if not thousands of people who can offer critique and catch anything that may have fallen through the cracks.

Sadly not. The Alpha rulebook is currently aiming for April, with the Beta in September... so that's a fair while after the end of the kickstarter. I think it would have been a bit better if these dates were slightly closer to the end of the campaign. At this point in time everything seems very handwavy, but it will certainly be interesting to see how it progresses

See this is one of my biggest issues, if the Alpha rules are what I think they are that is the rules as they pretty much stand now before any player/backer input then I think a month(ish) wait for the rules after the KS finishes is needlessly long wait for such a thing IMO.

**Catyrpelius**

I won't back a Kickstarter unless the rules for the game or atleast a quick start ruleset is included with thte kickstarter before it ends.

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Well, it's fair to note that there will be lots of rules/background discussions available in the backer's forum to help guide the alpha rules before the kickstarter ends. There are also numerous rulesets currently in existence from these guys that all prove they know exactly what they are doing, so I woudn't worry overly.

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Today they have announced a £70 limited tier

Singularity Reward Tier – Limited to 2300

Collectors Edition Backers Rulebook. (limited edition, numbered and signed by Rick) Est delivery Jan 2014

This will be the ultimate backers’ collectors edition of the rulebook and we’ll involve those people that buy it in its creation. It will have a “Those that helped us create Beyond the Gates of Antares” section where we print every single one of the backer’s names, and a ‘Roll of Honour’ section for those that pledge at the Feeder Hansa level or above.
At a minimum it’ll be a full colour rulebook, printed on the finest parchment, individually numbered and signed by Rick, containing universe map, incorporating the art of GoA book and bound by virgins (ok, maybe not that). We’re thinking a beast of a book with solid metal corners, thick debossed star worn leather covers and metal DSC & GoA logos. Let your imaginations run wild with suggestions.

+ Hansa the Exclusive Kickstarter Figure – Hansa Niroba (full name) is the exclusive Kickstarter miniature, available only to backers of our Kickstarter campaign. He’ll have special game abilities and you can help us define these so we don’t instantly make him banned from games as a disrupter! Est delivery Dec 2014.

+ Big Bang Reward Tier

Some more snippets of information form the forums. Postage is only £2 extra if you are outside the UK or USA, so we know they have already planned how to get around import duties for Europe and the USA.

They have also upgraded the credits in the last tier from 24 to 240; 1-5 in the old examples have become 10-50. I can only imagine this was to allow for greater flexibility in costing out new units by aligning it roughly to prices

**devilution**

Looking forward to this one

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Aaaaaand the £125 level has been announced. There is also a limited number (50) of these at £120

Feeder (shipping £2 outside UK & USA)
The full box - Literally EVERYTHING you want to play GoA - full army with tactical options galore!
In the box we will have:
Hardback Rulebook
Digital rulebook (DRM free)
Hansa - Exclusive Kickstarter Figure
40 x WarDrones
500 Credit Custom Army (see Dark Energy Reward tier on how this works)
Dice!
Game Markers!

This box will increase in size as we hit various stretch Goals, with extra stuff (technical term) 'feeding' into this box like the vehicles, new models, scenery etc

+ Big Bang!
Est Delivery: Dec 2013

**Bolognesus**

Hmm, ~$200 is on the high side for a 'sweet spot' pledge level for a system with no significant current following (as opposed to KD where the intl. price is similar - but that has a great reputation already!) so I'm curious to see if it won't bite them in the face.

Really though, a few more 'close' looks at actual models might be nice, by now. I really can't make out even a basic style yet :S

**Melcavuk**

I'd agree with the above points, the Dark Energy tier is reasonable to me for a punt on something that could be fantastic, but without any real sign of concept art, modelling greens or a basic rule system it is currently entirely faith based with 4 days to go until the kick starter goes live. I'm hoping that when the kick starter goes up they will reveal what the team have currently developed beyond the background we've been given already.

This has the potential to be something fantastic but I could never invest over £100 on something purely that goes on faith.

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The campaign hasn't even started yet, so I would imagine pictures will start appearing with the actual campaign.

Looking through the forum there are a few more tiers.

At £240 you can get two copies of the Feeder Tier

**Davylove21**

All these kickstarter miniature games are looking more and more like cookie-cutter nerd-baiting cash-cow milking pointlessness with every iteration.

Surely everybody has at least one "I was there at the beginning" sig banner or avatar now?

**Bolognesus**

Davylove21 wrote:
All these kickstarter miniature games are looking more and more like cookie-cutter nerd-baiting cash-cow milking pointlessness with every iteration.

Surely everybody has at least one "I was there at the beginning" sig banner or avatar now?

Hey now, let's wait until we see the actual minis before calling it...

**kenshin620**

Bolognesus wrote:

Hey now, let's wait until we see the actual minis before calling it...

Hopefully there would be some minis

And I do agree a bit that $200 is a tad high for that KS "Get your free Stretchgoals" sweetspot. Some reasoning that this might not be the most ideal (imo anyways)

1. Most KS havent been that high for a starter pledge
2. As said so far this appears to be extremely bare and very malleable game. So its high for something that so far has not much set in stone
3. It is a new year and the christmas/holiday spending season is over. Most people might be trying to scale back on spending, especially if you have backed any of the large KS from late 2012 from sedition wars to dreadball to even the ongoing KoD. And thats just the TT Gaming ones.

**Panic**

yeah,
For new game systems I'm not sure it's a good idea to have Kickstarter only models.
Sure it might drive up kickstarter pledges.
But in the long run I imagine new people might be turned off joining a game system that has unavailable playable characters.

I've never tried to play type 1 MTG because I can't afford to buy a 'black lotus' card, or any of the other power 9.
If I buy into the kickstarter, I would not want be seen as an elite type 1 player with access to minitures and rules that are beyond new players grasp!

I can see the demo at a games convention;
Beyond player : ' dude check this game out!'
Newplayer : 'oh Hi... this looks great... that guy looks cool!'
Beyond player : ' he's amazing and he has all these neat rules that gamers decided on during the beta phase'
Newplayer : 'sweet, I'm gonna get one!'
Beyond player : ' you can't have one sorry, I got him as a promo for being apart of the beta ...'
Nonplayer : 'oh didn't realise it was like that, I'm gona go check out the FW stall see ya!'

Panic...

**Guildsman**

So, let's review. Little to no artwork with some background material which is muddy and generic. On the real world side, we have no sculpts, a sweet spot with a high buy in price, no rules release until months after the campaign is over, and a campaign exclusive figure with unique rules. And all of this is going to be shaped "by the fans?" Count me out. It's one thing to back a game which you don't know much about. It's entirely different to back a game that its own creator doesn't know much about either. I hate to be a downer, but they seem to want us to put up real cash for a product which is still entirely imaginary.

**Azazelx**

cerealkiller195 wrote:
i know that in some kick starter projects they put a very long ship date simply not to disappoint people if they run into any "unexpected delays". In the same token if they finish things ahead of time they can start sending pledges out early and people will be pleasantly surprised.

I think we're going to start seeing more and more of this as creators learn to "work the system" more and more. Just like Relic Knights introduced the "early bird" deals, which many other KS have taken on board as well since then.

**Alpharius**

It is a good way to jump start a campaign, and establish 'momentum' which might lead to bigger things (Kingdom Death) or might not (Wyrd).

Jury's still out on whether or not it is a good path to true success!

**cerealkiller195**

i can understand everyone's opinions but it seems some people pick and choose when exactly to object to kickstarter projects. While some people complain that kick starter has become a pre order/store front other people do not like to fund a concept which is what kick starter was originally for right?

i want to believe this kick starter will work but for now it is anyone's guess. when it goes live and we get a bigger picture of whats going on then ill support if i think the project has potential or take my money else where if i think it is lame.

i know that a lot of people have been burned before by smaller companies (i still miss playing Vor!). Also that the internet has become a place of cynics but i rather have some optimism for a project and give it the benefit of the doubt.

**TechMarine1**

Oh my gosh, a game system/format where my games are relavent. This isn't going to be one of those half online/half wargames things is it, or is it just going to involve telling them about the results of my games?

**Pacific**

Melcavuk wrote:

This has the potential to be something fantastic but I could never invest over £100 on something purely that goes on faith.

Daveylove21 wrote:All these kickstarter miniature games are looking more and more like cookie-cutter nerd-baiting cash-cow milking pointlessness with every iteration.

Surely everybody has at least one "I was there at the beginning" sig banner or avatar now?

Both of you guys have a picture of a Space Marine as your avatar.

You know who was one of the primary people responsible for making that design right, and creating the first gaming worlds for them to fight each other in? The very same person who is making this new game.

If you ever are ever to have faith (to use Melcavuk's term) on someone making something good, in the same way that you trust Ridley Scott or James Cameron not to make a stinker, then this is it! There are some big names on that design roster - the wargaming industry, Games Workshop, everything, would not be the same without them. I think that has to have earned some brownie points for them to cash in.

**AlexHolker**

Pacific wrote:
If you ever are ever to have faith (to use Melcavuk's term) on someone making something good, in the same way that you trust Ridley Scott or James Cameron not to make a stinker, then this is it!

*cough*Prometheus*cough*

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TechMarine1 wrote:
Oh my gosh, a game system/format where my games are relavent. This isn't going to be one of those half online/half wargames things is it, or is it just going to involve telling them about the results of my games?

Their concept is that if you report your games it counts towards the ongoing online campaigns; if you don't... it doesn't. There's no reliance upon computers or the online element in your normal games

**Melcavuk**

Pacific wrote:
Melcavuk wrote:

This has the potential to be something fantastic but I could never invest over £100 on something purely that goes on faith.

Daveylove21 wrote:All these kickstarter miniature games are looking more and more like cookie-cutter nerd-baiting cash-cow milking pointlessness with every iteration.

Surely everybody has at least one "I was there at the beginning" sig banner or avatar now?

Both of you guys have a picture of a Space Marine as your avatar.

You know who was one of the primary people responsible for making that design right, and creating the first gaming worlds for them to fight each other in? The very same person who is making this new game.

If you ever are ever to have faith (to use Melcavuk's term) on someone making something good, in the same way that you trust Ridley Scott or James Cameron not to make a stinker, then this is it! There are some big names on that design roster - the wargaming industry, Games Workshop, everything, would not be the same without them. I think that has to have earned some brownie points for them to cash in.

OK since you felt the need to target me on this one I felt the need to respond. I have been incredibly positive on GoA since its rumours came up and try to contribute constructively on their forums, I also said that for what they have so far it looks fantastic. I merely suggested that while I would put down around 50 on faith I wouldnt go over 100 without proof of a great concept. As for the names attached... without a concept they are literally names at this stage, they have done some fantastic things in the past but it isnt their collective works being kickstartered it is GoA, therefore proof of concept of GoA is what will provide funding.

As for my avatar, yes it is a marine. It is a marine kit I looked at, assessed if it was something I liked and then purchased. It is not a marine I was told someone famous was making and slapped down money blindly to purchase.

Tldr: I like the looks of GoA, would like more information, yes its a marine.

**Pacific**

OK sorry dude, didn't mean it to sound like I was 'targeting' you if that's how it came across!

AlexHolker - haha yes right (although I would probably have mentioned American Gangster

)

**Melcavuk**

np. Sorry about that new baby and lack of sleep doesn't conduct itself too well over the internet. I think we started off making the same point that this is potentially an amazing game that it would be nice to get more information on.

**Bolognesus**

AlexHolker wrote:
Pacific wrote:
If you ever are ever to have faith (to use Melcavuk's term) on someone making something good, in the same way that you trust Ridley Scott or James Cameron not to make a stinker, then this is it!

*cough*Prometheus*cough*

Prometheus wasn't that bad, it just wasn't good. Hey, I've seen Avatar - don't tell me to trust a guy like that *ever* again

@Melcavuk
I wouldn't call it "potentially an amazing game" quite yet - at this stage it seems to be more like "potentially a game"

**overtyrant**

AlexHolker wrote:
Pacific wrote:
If you ever are ever to have faith (to use Melcavuk's term) on someone making something good, in the same way that you trust Ridley Scott or James Cameron not to make a stinker, then this is it!

*cough*Prometheus*cough*

I happen to quite like Prometheus. Different strokes for different folks i suppose.

**chilledmonkeybrains**

Well, I've thoroughly enjoyed reading through everyone's posts - lots of valid points, and some that perhaps are not...

At this stage I haven't checked out the website and therefore - apart from information gleaned from this thread - have sweet FA in regards to knowledge and, consequently, opinions on this matter.

I'll be checking it out when I get home tonight.

I am intrigued...

**Grot 6**

I mightbr interested in this one.

Number one, for the pedigree and caliber of Ricks work.

Second, I wouldn't mind putting together a new race that people could play as a faction for the game. I have several that people haven't thought of yet.

**Pacific**

Melcavuk wrote:np. Sorry about that new baby and lack of sleep doesn't conduct itself too well over the internet. I think we started off making the same point that this is potentially an amazing game that it would be nice to get more information on.

No problem mate, I'm in no position to be critical at all as I'm often terrible for making pre-coffee posts!

Yes I completely agree, any more information at this point is going to help them out a great deal - even the smallest whiff of something tasty at this point would be great!

overtyrant wrote:
AlexHolker wrote:
Pacific wrote:
If you ever are ever to have faith (to use Melcavuk's term) on someone making something good, in the same way that you trust Ridley Scott or James Cameron not to make a stinker, then this is it!

*cough*Prometheus*cough*

I happen to quite like Prometheus. Different strokes for different folks i suppose.

Haha right, I like those films too but perhaps those Directors weren't the best choice!
Trying to think of a director that hasn't been divisive .. erm, Terrence Malik? Although then everyone will be telling me they don't want a game that plays like Tree of Life?

**judgedoug**

Bolognesus wrote:
AlexHolker wrote:
Pacific wrote:
If you ever are ever to have faith (to use Melcavuk's term) on someone making something good, in the same way that you trust Ridley Scott or James Cameron not to make a stinker, then this is it!

*cough*Prometheus*cough*

Prometheus wasn't that bad, it just wasn't good. Hey, I've seen Avatar - don't tell me to trust a guy like that *ever* again

@Melcavuk
I wouldn't call it "potentially an amazing game" quite yet - at this stage it seems to be more like "potentially a game"

And I saw Avatar three times and quite enjoyed it

Avatar certaintly has mass-appeal (to the tune of over a billion in ticket sales), like 40k (to the tune of a hundred million a year). Sounds like a good comparison to me