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 Sigvatr wrote:
A codex is nothing but a work of fiction that often comes at a very weak quality (DEAR GOD, NEWCRONS!) and a few rules.

What do you dislike about the new Necrons? I know some people hate it because it's very Tomb Kings in space, but it's a very strong and versatile codex with a huge amount of expansion on the fluff.

The codexs could have some more fluff in it, especially the xenon ones because heaven forbid GW puts out anything but space marine books on a regular basis. As for the cost, buy from your local comic book shops. Mine gives me 20% off just for walking in the door, without signing up for some membership thing.

I agree with Labmouse42, get a tablet. That's how I carry my rule books except my personal army codex. Plus it makes finding obscure rules much faster.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
If they can make a mini 40k rulebook in paperback (AND COLOR) why can we not have mini codexes? I hate lugging my friggin codexes around in games, they're huge and don't need to be that large. They take up a lot of space, are clumsy to flip through, and have a lot of unnecessary text in certain areas (for example, I love fluff and all, but there should be a few pages always dedicated to just rules, stats, and upgrades, with no extra crap whatsoever, detailing everything your army can do)

Actually the new 6th edition codex books have fold out pages in the back that list all the special rules and abilities from the codex on them, so in that is a good addition. Unless you have a child's backpack it shouldn't be impossible to fit the new hardback books into it either. I certainly don't see the point in having to go hardback, since I've had my softbound codecies for years and they haven't fallen to pieces despite serious use. Just another excuse to raise prices and given how truly small the books are compared to their price tag it is a big aggravating. It is as if GW isn't even bothering trying to hide their price gouging anymore. In the past you could pretend it wasn't that bad, but as more and more $50 codex books are released it will become clearer. Actually, sorry, the $49.90 codex books since we wouldn't want to enable someone to get free shipping from the GW website just for a codex purchase now would we. These books have slightly fewer pages than a lot of the D&D 4th edition rulebooks and are otherwise similarly sized, but the D&D books all list around $29.99 and can be had for $19 on Amazon regularly, popping up to $34 for the slightly thicker books. With these codex prices, gone are the days of just picking up another codex to check it out and maybe start a new army for me. I am liking the content of the CSM and DA books I've bought, but they aren't an awesome enough product to me to rationalize the price tag.

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 Dumah12 wrote:
The codexs could have some more fluff in it, especially the xenon ones because heaven forbid GW puts out anything but space marine books on a regular basis. As for the cost, buy from your local comic book shops. Mine gives me 20% off just for walking in the door, without signing up for some membership thing.

I agree with Labmouse42, get a tablet. That's how I carry my rule books except my personal army codex. Plus it makes finding obscure rules much faster.

Not every local store offer sup a 20% discount just for walking in the door. Lucky you for being near one. Many don't have *any* kind of discount program. Some others like my FLGS, offer you discounts based on passed purchases. I have to save and hand in a receipt or receipts that total above a certain amount to get a discount on my current purchase. Of course my FLGS doesn't even stock GW products anymore. All they did was sit on the shelf with a couple people like myself buying them. Situation was made worse by GW's order minimums and demands that would result in way more product than would ever sell being on the shelves.

Skriker

 Dumah12 wrote:
So basically what I'm saying is I would have like necrons to be a true 6th edition codex.

GET OUT

I wish my codex was updated. I would pay $100 for it.

I like the new hardback codecies, but they're about $15USD too high in price.

The book quality of the new DA codex is worth the $50, considering how long it will be until we get another codex (many years). The pictures and artwork are amazing and the paper is thick and the book feels sturdy. HOWEVER, I would much prefer a $25 I can thrash at the game store, by my painting area, touch with pizza greased fingers (or w/e), and throw around in a bag without the fear of knowing it is such a high-priced and nice book.

I've only had it for 24hrs and this book has already made me do the "please don't put your coffee near it" or "please wipe your hands before you touch it with your sandwhich crumb hands" request multiple times. It's a beautiful new codex but it's almost too nice for what its purpose is.

If it was a book of photography that was going to sit on my coffee table or bookshelf all the time then fine, but it is ultimately supposed to be a supremely functional book and needs to be treated as such. It feels like going off-roading in a gravel pit with a nice mercedes... I'm sure it'd do fine but it's not really what it's suited for, and the damage is going to be all the clearer.

I'd drop $200 to get an updated IG Codex.

Oh, and Horus Heresy: Betrayal was $112.42 and totally worth it.

 TheCaptain wrote:

Oh, and Horus Heresy: Betrayal was $112.42 and totally worth it.

Total agreement, there.

 TheCaptain wrote:
Oh, and Horus Heresy: Betrayal was $112.42 and totally worth it.

Thirded.

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
I wish my codex was updated. I would pay $100 for it.

Seconded. $100 would be no problem for an actual BT codex.

Sorry, but no. I wanna go back to Third edition and get $14.99 codexes and $9.99 codes add-ons (like Codex Space Wolves, or Dark Angels).

I can buy the physical models I need for a Deathwing army for cheaper than the two books I would need to by to field such an army in 6th edition.

obvious troll is obvious.

I like the hardback books. I don't buy a codex purely for the rules and game stats within it. I buy it to collect it, to pore over it for hours reading the background and coming up with army ideas, and to keep it on my shelf long after it's out of date. For the same reason, I bought both the big hardback rulebook and the smaller Dark Vengeance version, so I don't have to risk damage to my nice hardback version. I too would like smaller pocket sized versions of codexes, but not so I could buy them in place of the hardbacks, but so I could buy them in addition to the hardbacks, giving me a nice copy for my bookshelf and a copy for the table

 Sigvatr wrote:
The textbook comparison is a terrible, terrible comparison.

Textbooks used in studies usually consist of articles written by actual experts on certain issues, people who know what they're doing and have a good reputation.

A textbook is infinitely more valuable than any product GW will ever offer. It's a piece of science.

A codex is nothing but a work of fiction that often comes at a very weak quality (DEAR GOD, NEWCRONS!) and a few rules.

Nonsense. Any given textbook is largely a collection of previously published articles and information. To create a new textbook from scratch, for a new subject then i may agree with you, but most of them are identical to the previous years edition with a $300 price tag. Textbooks are one of the greatest scam industries known to man.

 Kaldor wrote:
Nonsense. Any given textbook is largely a collection of previously published articles and information. To create a new textbook from scratch, for a new subject then i may agree with you, but most of them are identical to the previous years edition with a $300 price tag. Textbooks are one of the greatest scam industries known to man.

Don't forget the new practice problems. You have to spend a few minutes changing the numbers a bit so that everyone has to buy the new edition if they want to do their homework. Oh, and new cover art, that's at least a $50 price increase right there.

One kind of required book costs a lot of money, therefore a rule book for a fun game should cost a lot of money too. Perspective logic!

This is funny because I wish both my armies (CSM & DA) had soft cover & lower price. For 1 thing hardcover is not guarantee of durability. The binding will still break & release pages. All of my codexes & soft cover rulebooks get spiral bound at Kinkos/FedEx for $5 with a free cover. This means you can lay them down flat on any surface & even fold them in half without any durability issues. If you have a soft cover dex & don't do this already then you should. Unfortunately its not feasible with the hardcovers.

Are people seriously complaining about the price for something that'll last you years? Seriously?

And it wont fit in your bags? Do you carry your 40k in a small ladies handbag or something? :/

Dragonzord wrote:
Are people seriously complaining about the price for something that'll last you years? Seriously?

And it wont fit in your bags? Do you carry your 40k in a small ladies handbag or something? :/

You must be new here...

I carry my rule book rolled up in my back pocket. There's a copy of The Catcher in the Rye in the other one. Try doing that with a hardback book!

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
I wish my codex was updated. I would pay $100 for it.

Ten years from now, that might be the going price j/k...

I love soft cover rulebooks/codices. Spiral binding them is easy and cheap, and they're just nice and easy.

My hard cover 6th ed rule book is high quality and sweet, plus it's hard to forget at home... but...

Regardless, looks like I'll be buying hard cover codices in the future

 labmouse42 wrote:
Get an IPAD. That fits into your bag quite easily.

You can also use an andriod tablet and figure out a different way to get copies of your codex' on it.

Because THAT is such a cheap way to go

My paperback Tau Codex is falling apart, I'd like a Hardcover..

Also Hardcover tend to stay on the pages you flip to and stay open, Paperback don't.

 AesSedai wrote:
I find the new codex to be terrible value. I jumped the gun and bought the hard cover rulebook. Hardcovers are so impractical if you are mobile. I'll be downloading all my content from now on.

And of course you mean *buying* the eBook version from GW to read on your ipad/kindle/nook. Certainly you wouldn't be admitting your intention to steal[ content from our wonderful benefactor?

2 things

1) while i do love the extreme detailed codexs i do wish they made 2 versions of each armies codex, 1 which had all the fluff and story and another that was a cut and dry, bare bone codex, with just the data sheets and profiles of the army that was much cheaper so i do not have to pay out the rear to play an army. Because the nice pretty codex, while nice and pretty, is not good for marketing to new players who have to buy a BRB an army and the pretty expensive codex

2) now my second point....necrons got a new codex?

I can relate. I love the look of the new Chaos Space Marines codex, and I really love the flavor (Boons, god-specific psychic powers, the ability to give units a mark of chaos and a banner of chaos of the same god that do different things.) However, between the big rule book, two forgeworld books, various codexes and the white dwarf with the rules for the Ork flyer, I don't have a single container big enough to hold them, and they're freaking HEAVY!!!! However, it's not as bad as my relatives who play D&D. They accumulate a whole damn book shelf full of books for that game with each edition. The next time they move, one whole pickup-truck load will be D&D books.

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
I wish my codex was updated. I would pay $100 for it.

I wouldn't pay quite that much, I would prefer crusading GW. Also, I'm salty about the DA codex because those heretical #@$$##%@%# stole the good swords the Emperor's Champion used to have-I guess that's why they blew up our frigate and that fallen was just a ruse...

BTNeophyte wrote:

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
I wish my codex was updated. I would pay $100 for it.

I wouldn't pay quite that much, I would prefer crusading GW. Also, I'm salty about the DA codex because those heretical #@$$##%@%# stole the good swords the Emperor's Champion used to have-I guess that's why they blew up our frigate and that fallen was just a ruse...

Your Zeal is commendable young Neophyte. I would like you to run in front of me while I charge MCs.

If im being honest, i think that £30 (and whatever the use equivalent is) for a book that will be useful for 4,5,6 years of gaming isn't tooo bad. Sure, it could be a little cheaper, but thats how things are these days.

In my perfect scenario though, they charge an extra £5, and throw in a digital version of the army section. Not apple/ ipad only, but a little bit of software that allows anyone to pull their army up on a PC. I'd happily pay a little more for that along with my hardback codex

 d3m01iti0n wrote:

BTNeophyte wrote:

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
I wish my codex was updated. I would pay $100 for it.

I wouldn't pay quite that much, I would prefer crusading GW. Also, I'm salty about the DA codex because those heretical #@$$##%@%# stole the good swords the Emperor's Champion used to have-I guess that's why they blew up our frigate and that fallen was just a ruse...

Your Zeal is commendable young Neophyte. I would like you to run in front of me while I charge MCs.

Of course brother.

*drops combat knife, pulls out brass knuckles, runs at carnifex*

EDIT: interesting thing about charging MCs. Whenever a tactical terminator squad of mine is in combat with an MC, they turn into killing machines with an impossible to fail 5+ save when there are only 2 left