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Loving the new stuff, though having read a lot of other people's verdicts I'd have to agree that the villitch model is not villitch it looks nothing like him from the concept art in the previous book unless they have updated the art work perhaps. The dragon ogres however are Steller and to be honest very tempted to get some.
Can I just ask though the big new beasty thing, is anyone else of the opinion that the arm looks like its out on a limb and kinda takes away from the model?

For those having problems with the pics, try the spoiler tag in the first post.

Awesome stuff

I shouldnt have been so hasty with my post, I understand people buying from their GW to support them, I do it myself monthly but my main bulk is discounted Just meant didnt think most peoples first thoughts would be to go to GW directly these days.

 catharsix wrote:

 pretre wrote:

What is this creature? Is it in a dual-build kit with that scary tentacle-monster?

I think it's pretty cool, as is the chariot. I think I'm probably gonna throw down for these, with their fantastic 40K conversion possibilities...

-C6

It's actually a multi-company cross-over kit that can be built as either a WoC monster or a LoE warbeast.

K'daii destroyer! (For my cd army)

 helium42 wrote:

 catharsix wrote:

 pretre wrote:

What is this creature? Is it in a dual-build kit with that scary tentacle-monster?

I think it's pretty cool, as is the chariot. I think I'm probably gonna throw down for these, with their fantastic 40K conversion possibilities...

-C6

It's actually a multi-company cross-over kit that can be built as either a WoC monster or a LoE warbeast.

I've heard that comparison before, but it's innacurate. It can't be LoE. It has EYES.

 Nagashek wrote:

 helium42 wrote:

 catharsix wrote:

 pretre wrote:

What is this creature? Is it in a dual-build kit with that scary tentacle-monster?

I think it's pretty cool, as is the chariot. I think I'm probably gonna throw down for these, with their fantastic 40K conversion possibilities...

-C6

It's actually a multi-company cross-over kit that can be built as either a WoC monster or a LoE warbeast.

I've heard that comparison before, but it's innacurate. It can't be LoE. It has EYES.

Easy fix with just a tiny bit o green stuff.

For the first time in a long while, some legitimately decent stuff coming from GW.

I don't get how people are liking this stuff, it's pretty much "Making people interesting is hard, so lets give the mortal warriors of chaos some daemons, that'll be easy!" I know that WoC armies aren't exclusively people but come on

EDIT: I don't mean for this post to come out so aggressively

 pretre wrote:

Yep i'm gonna need him. He is just too cool and imposing looking not to have.

The big red thing literally looks like it wouldn't be out of place in a Saturday morning cartoon. It actually doesn't look too unlike a Digimon in my opinion. I wonder if its attacks also have a name. For this one I'd imagine MEGA CLAW! Or maybe CHAOS BLAST! For the tentacled one you'd probably have to get more creative...

RiTides wrote:the main suggestion folks had was for a different head. Also keep in mind that the Black Orcs box only comes with I believe 4 great weapons.

Converting the other guys is really just a matter of turning the wrists and putting a brass rod in for the two handed weapon shaft (and maybe a greenstuff cloth wrap on it). I don't think it'll be that hard to make them all have great weapons. As long as the hands can get out in front of the body enough to hold the haft in front of the body, they'll be alright. Also, the people I game with are not sticklers for WYSIWYG, so if they have only one weapon and it's obviously big, there will be no problems even if it's not held by the model in two hands (though any I can convert, I will). And lately we've been playing more 4th and 5th edition than 8th, so we're all very flexible on both rules and WYSIWYG.

As for the heads, I'm really not sure. I'm going to poke around and try to figure something out and then start this project.

The shaggoth design from the last beast of chaos book release (6th ed) is a really great design and I was trying to figure out how to make some dragon ogres that would fit with it more than either the old metal ones or the conversions of ogres and lizardmen cold ones I saw. I don't know why I didn't think to take black orcs and dark elf raptors.

I'm still hoping these new ones are just a bad camera angle, but that's probably wishful thinking. It's entirely possible though, that their base size will grow as the new ones look really large.

My wallet is screamin : WHYYYYYyYYyyyyyyyyy! right now

Some info I just saw pop up on Chamber of the Everchosen. Some interesting stuff.
Can definitely say I'm sad to see the forced challenge rule is still in effect... perhaps it will be slightly revised at the very least.

mad lamb2 wrote:

I'veread the BR in new WD and I can say that even the fact they have hidden all viable info that we can use, EOTG chart is still there but noew one (it even has +1 BS ???)... And we still have to issue challenges (it's clear when he hit Gobbo block and had to issuse 6 challenges).

Plus it is writtend under the chaos knight champion that he has to issue challenges)

Gorebeast chariot is T6 5W. Armour save is some insanse good. Cause it says that speed was traded for strength and bulk. And it has KB even on IHs.

For slaughterbrute it says that it's binded to the lord and has his WS. And it can buy extra limbs (so extra A?)

Other large monster has strange name and fires bound magic that makes every model in the unit pass T test or ide creating pawn near the unit.

Forsaken are M6 and D3+1 A with it's own D6 chart. One result is ASF.

As for the magic they showd only cards for signature. For nurgle itz's the 24" NO AS snpie.

FOr tzeentch is Blue fire. 24" D6 SD6 MM.
tzeentch lore attribute is I think (it's really small picture) that for each succesfull cast you roll D6 and on 6 add PD in thje army pol).

Slaanesh signature is Lash of slaanesh. 24" straight line form the base in forward arc of the caster. Every model under the line receives S3 AP hit.
Slaanesh lore attribute is +2 WS forthe caster untill the next magic phase.

The pictures are really small but I think I read it well.

Lord, exalted and sorcerers have the same stats line. Knights and hellstriders too.

I think with the current trend in WD, we can call ourselves lucky that GW hasn't pixeled all pics of new models for security reasons
Who would have thought a year ago that battle reports are back to small kids grabbing a handful of models and shoving them across the board without rules ("finegaming"?)

 krazynadechukr wrote:
K'daii destroyer! (For my cd army)

Not a bad thought for the big red fella... but given the vague description of the destroyer (or rather, the fact that they could take several forms) I feel like there are other options I can go with that aren't so cartoony.

What bothers me about Throgg (other than the fact that I just don't like the sculpt...) is that I just don't know where they got their model direction from. It doesn't match the art at all. Is it just rushed out to have a model for everything in the 'dex before release?

After discussing that Throgg model with a few people yesterday, we all came to the consensus that it has an appearance similar to that of Thor, especially given the scales, hammer, and cape. Kind of comedic, but sadly true.

 RiTides wrote:


What bothers me about Throgg (other than the fact that I just don't like the sculpt...) is that I just don't know where they got their model direction from. It doesn't match the art at all. Is it just rushed out to have a model for everything in the 'dex before release?

There may be new art in the book.

Splog wrote:

 RiTides wrote:


What bothers me about Throgg (other than the fact that I just don't like the sculpt...) is that I just don't know where they got their model direction from. It doesn't match the art at all. Is it just rushed out to have a model for everything in the 'dex before release?

There may be new art in the book.

That's actually a good point. Who knows how they'll change the fluff of characters and what not.

To be honest, with that in mind, I'm a bit more excited about him. Perhaps this not so bestial Throgg would make it possible for a Black Library book! I loved the Wulfrik, Valkia, and Sigvald ones, and would love to see some on the other characters, especially Throgg!

Is throgg intelligent and cunning? What makes him the king of trolls?

 Snrub wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Yep i'm gonna need him. He is just too cool and imposing looking not to have.

Even if one hand is significantly smaller than the other?

Yeah the tiny hand looks wierd.

Is it maybe meant to be a skeletal hand ?

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Is throgg intelligent and cunning? What makes him the king of trolls?

After rereading his fluff just now, he definitely does have a more cunning mindset, and is even described as "Troll King possessed of a grim and malevolent cunning..."
He has enough of a mind to think for himself and make an oath to rally the monsters of the Troll Country.

Where the cape and all came from? Who knows...

The cape is a symbol, anyone can become the troll king, all they have to do is take up the cape, Throgg is the hero this troll country needs.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
The cape is a symbol, anyone can become the troll king, all they have to do is take up the cape, Throgg is the hero this troll country needs.

I love you.


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 RiTides wrote:


What bothers me about Throgg (other than the fact that I just don't like the sculpt...) is that I just don't know where they got their model direction from. It doesn't match the art at all. Is it just rushed out to have a model for everything in the 'dex before release?

maybe they've updated the lore and art for him? I know the art he currently has is good, but he was in the end, a chaos troll with a horny hat. I assume the direction they've taken with the miniature is to make him look like a hero, not another simple animal. I personally like it.

 RiTides wrote:
What bothers me about Throgg (other than the fact that I just don't like the sculpt...) is that I just don't know where they got their model direction from. It doesn't match the art at all. Is it just rushed out to have a model for everything in the 'dex before release?

Wouldn't be the first time they've done a model that didn't match older art in the army book/codex. Sometimes translating art to a sculpt just doesn't work and they go a different direction. Throgg doesn't look at all rushed, it simply looks like the sculptor went a different way.

Seems to me GW has said good bye to the old Grimdark days and taken a more cartoony and comic book look so they can market to children. They don't care what those that grew up with the game 20+ years ago. They want to market to your kids. I believe that to be partially the reason behind all the power creeps to where anyone can win with a GK list or on WHFB case DoC back in 7th. Make an overpowered army, and cool expensive models and the kiddies will buy them.

Voidbeast: Not bad, but not really my thing. I understand Chaos is supposed to be swirling madness, but these days it seems like GW only has two settings: Big Ole' Brute or mess that's impossible to visually identify.

Chariot: So close! I love the beast, it's perfect for Warriors of Chaos. It's something clearly unnatural, but not so alien that it can't fit into a crowd of mortal servants. Unfortunately, I don't like the men in the wagon. They look a little too little "brutal warriors of the north" and a little too much "Mad Max background character"

Dragon Ogres: Yes. Absolutely. Well done GW. I can see people's complaint about the stiff legs and rearing poses, but honestly... the options have been so poor for so long and these guys are otherwise so good I'm going to give them a gold star. They are exactly what I want Dragon Ogres to be, brutal and primitive looking. A pity they were removed from the Beastmen army- if these had come out two years ago I might not have shelved and given up on my army. At a minimum I could use them as replacements for the hated minotaurs or Razogors.

Big Red: He is what he is. Not particularly inspired as a demonic monster, but very well executed.

Ranked up mutant guys: Not impressed, but also don't care. My interest in Warriors of Chaos was never on these sorts.

Blue armor guy: Alright.

Lord: Again, not what I liked about Warriors, but competent enough.

Troll: Love it. I love to see GW playing with some of their old designs.

I've always like the marauder side of WoC more than the faceless-dudes in armor side, but as far as GW releases go I have to say I think this is a good one.

It looks much less thrown-together-at-the-last-minute than the Dark Angels release, anyway.