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decker_cky wrote:
I'd say dreadball should be separate, but there's much more overlap between deadzone and warpath.

This seems sensible.

Saxon wrote:

decker_cky wrote:
I'd say dreadball should be separate, but there's much more overlap between deadzone and warpath.

This seems sensible.

That sounds sensible to me also! I know of people who play DB but would have absolutely no interest in a more conventional tabletop game like Warpath

 Pacific wrote:

Saxon wrote:

decker_cky wrote:
I'd say dreadball should be separate, but there's much more overlap between deadzone and warpath.

This seems sensible.

That sounds sensible to me also! I know of people who play DB but would have absolutely no interest in a more conventional tabletop game like Warpath

I concur with this assessment. With no real practical overlap between the games, just fluff, it seems more appropriate to keep them separate. This is compounded by there already being 16 pages of just DreadBall news, so if someone wanted to "catch up" they'll see along thread of stuff they're not interested in.

The DeadZone one should be a Warpath one as well though, since the games share models as well as a universe.

EDIT: After a 50/50 split in votes on the topic (4 votes yes, 4 votes no, after I asked in the deadzone thread as well), I asked a moderator to decide.

Got a reply on this, the thread is now the mantic sci-fi news and rumours thread.

On Dreadball release months, the title will clearly state Dreadball, along with details of the new releases to make it clear that dreadball stuff is happening.

When Warpath releases/rumours are out, the title will reflect those instead.

I will make sure that the thread title dynamically changes so that everyone can tell at a glance whether it's the new dreadball shiny or the new warpath shiny, and it'll go straight into the top of the OP.. no scrabbling around trying to figure out if the new pics were posted on page 37 or 57.

The OP will also be kept very well-updated with sections for all 3 systems, and a general introduction to all of them.

It's really up to you Squig since you're doing the work. Well, you and the mods since I'm sure they don't want Dakka rules on N&R messed up.

A Mantic Fantasy (Cypo's thread), Mantic Sci-Fi and Mantic Licensed Games would seem to be eminently appropriate as well.

EDIT: Ninja'ed! But it ended up going like I said anyway. I am slowly leeching Squig's powers of prediction...

So to start the ball rolling on the sci fi discussion, what's the minimum number of units I'd need for a Warpath game?

Could I use the starter and booster forces from one of the Deadzone factions, or will I have to buy in far more heavily for the game to feel correct?

Thanks for combining the news threads. It's nice to have a one stop shopping place for mantic scifi news.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
So to start the ball rolling on the sci fi discussion, what's the minimum number of units I'd need for a Warpath game?

Could I use the starter and booster forces from one of the Deadzone factions, or will I have to buy in far more heavily for the game to feel correct?

The 31 model Enforcer Warpath Army set comes in at 1000+ points

The Maruader(40 orks), Forge fathers, Veer-Myn I think are closer to 500.

Most factions have minimum squad size of 5, which are usually 1 leader, 3 regular, 1 heavy.

I figured out to have a decent playable Plague faction needed double starter, double booster, with optional 20+ Zombies.

Warpath, Deadzone, and Dreadball are three seperate games an should all be treated as such.

I have no interest in army game of warpath and shouldn't be forced to dig through posts directed towards that game when looking for info on Mantics specialist games. They all have seperate rules even if the models may be shared with a couple.

Don't pacify Deadzone before it even has a chance by clumping it with Warpath "proper".


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Warpath, Deadzone, and Dreadball are three seperate games an should all be treated as such.

I have no interest in army game of warpath and shouldn't be forced to dig through posts directed towards that game when looking for info on Mantics specialist games. They all have seperate rules even if the models may be shared with a couple.

Don't pacify Deadzone before it even has a chance by clumping it with Warpath "proper".

Can we throw in the Infinity news thread, too? Just call it "Sci Fi Skirmish 'n' Sports News and Rumors."

Just read the fifth reply in this thread. Lets keep it solely Dreadball.

BTW, do we think those are 3 different Asterian positions or just two?

I have no interest in army game of warpath and shouldn't be forced to dig through posts directed towards that game when looking for info on Mantics specialist games.

You won't be. All current news and rumours will be found in the OP, which will be kept current, with sections for each game. One click, at most.

Don't worry, I also can't stand 200-page GW threads where everyone is talking/ ranting about the new minis and then when I ask where the pictures can be found I get a response of "oh they were posted like 50 pages ago or something, go find them yourself".

Mantic's release months alternate, you get a big dreadball release one month and then nothing for several more months. After this month, we won't be seeing any more dreadball minis until the third shipment, and then after that, probably no releases for at least 6 months/ until dreadball extreme gets a release.

Having this page dead on page 11 of the topic list for several months (like it was a few months ago, during the pre-season 2 break, a lot of people forgot it existed and posted in the kickstarter thread instead) does not make it easier to find information on dreadball.
Having a visible topic on the first page with all the latest dreadball info, news, rumours and pics in the OP regardless of whether or not its a "warpath month" does make it easier.

I'm not out to "screw over Dreadball players", nor am I out to "shove the crappy warpath game down their throats". It is just a simple boring effort to have one alive thread for mantic sci-fi instead of 5 dead ones.

Overall, if you look at the fantasy N&R thread it has been directly more relevant and useful than the multiple scattered sci-fi threads, and hasn't "suffered" for having an entire month of nothing other than Loka being posted in it, despite no-one being interested in that game... there wasn't any KoW N&R at all that month, or the month before that, or the month after it, so KoW-only players weren't missing out on anything by having the Loka stuff mentioned in there. It works well.

Hopefully that explains the reasoning a bit better.

Ultimately, it was a decision I left up to the moderators since opinion is literally split 50/50. Decision has been made to have one mantic sci-fi thread that gets used, and not 5 mantic sci-fi threads (Dreadball, Deadzone, Warpath, Project Pandora, Mars Attacks) that get a few posts and then fall into obscurity and no-one can find them anymore.

yeah

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Can we throw in the Infinity news thread, too? Just call it "Sci Fi Skirmish 'n' Sports News and Rumors."

QFT

I vote all non GW and just name the thread 'other'

Panic...

I think just as we have a separate thread for every GW army and do not throw everything in a massive thread termed "GW", each individual wargame system deserves to have its own thread.

Mars Attacks probably will deserve it's own thread once it comes out. For awhile at least.

Also, use this thread to pimp individual system-based threads and conversation down in the Mantic Subforum Ghetto.

I really have to say I'm somewhat saddened to see people clamoring for Squig to do more work just so they don't have to ever worry about reading a discussion that doesn't directly pertain to them right this second. Scarletsquig laid out the reasons he doesn't want to do that, and they're perfectly valid reasons. The mods have also given their approval for this, and I'm sure they were sick of seeing "OMG LOOK AT THE NEWSLETTER I JUST GOT!" threads having to be locked and referred elsewhere simply because people have no attention span to remember the thread exists otherwise.

That clutters up N&R for everyone, as does having multiple threads that need to be updated when Mantic releases information for multiple games at the same time. Since in this instance they all exist in the same universe and cross-overs are obviously going to happen (e.g. - DreadBall MVP rescue scenario in DeadZone), it's hard to say that the idea of multiple threads is any better especially when they're being maintained by volunteers.

Scarletsquig has said all the relevant information will be in the first post, so if you don't want to read any of the discussion, just read the first post. He's shown dedication to keeping things up to date through every Mantic-affiliated KickStarter and has done a good job of it. Other posters I might be leery of, but if he can keep a thread reasonably up to date during the final days of a KickStarter when the company doing the KickStarter can barely keep things up to date I don't see where that's going to be a huge problem either.

While the OCD organizer would like to see separate threads just because, on the whole I would rather have one thread with a good custodian than multiple threads by multiple people with varying levels of interest in maintaining things.

Indeed. Kudos to squig for keeping everyone updated both during KS feast and inbetween waves famine. Having a single thread to coalesce that intrinsically linked info makes it easier for both him and people trying to find the info. He does a good job of keeping the thread title up to date. Don't want to read a few posts about a related game that shares figures, rules, and background? Read the thread title to see whether you can ignore the new posts.

Here here! Or is it 'hear hear?'

In anycase, agreed! Yay Squig!

I may have mistaken the discussion, but if it is for simplifying Scarletsquig's work then I am fine with it.

 Compel wrote:
Here here! Or is it 'hear hear?'!

"Hear him! Hear him!" is the origin.

Not a fan of combined thread.

New Deadzone zombie render:



KS surveys are going out 17th of June.

That is impressive. Probably going to have to alter my pledge to get more of those guys!

Looking good so far. Hands are maybe just a bit too large, but overall a very nice miniature.

Glad I'm in for 80 of them! Will be good having a variety of soldiers, scientists etc.

I actually only pledged 1$ ... maybe I'll add some few zombies when the survey hits

I put out a general call to my gaming group for the survey. I might pick up 80 just because of the price but I'll have to wait and see what else I get a hankering for.

What I want to see is some renders for the Termie Enforcers. I have set aside $30 for them simply for the fact that they are one of my favorite models Mantic have come out with to date!

Hopefully they have some decent weapon options and enough poses to stop them all looking the same.

Oh my! Hopefully these will look as well in plastic as the render!

I'm more than willing to sell the zombies that come with my pledge. I have no interest in them.

 Panic wrote:
yeah

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Can we throw in the Infinity news thread, too? Just call it "Sci Fi Skirmish 'n' Sports News and Rumors."

QFT

I vote all non GW and just name the thread 'other'

Panic...

Trolls the both of you!