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 Mannahnin wrote:
Not to be negative or anything. It's a GW book; it's going to have fluff and a bunch of pictures. Most folks don't consider those to be garbage, although a book like this certainly isn't the cheapest way to package the rules, if that is all a given player cares about.

Sure, I expect some amount of fluff and pictures, like any codex would have. But this sounds like a minimal-effort book thrown together to milk the flyer cash cow a bit more, with a terrible ratio of paper-wasting garbage to actual content.

Compel wrote:Whoopsie, at least it wasn't anything insulting!

No worries, I'd probably have one of those things if I didn't have to buy a $40 book just for a single model. Would be great if I were intent on using the rest but FW pricing means I likely wouldn't be allowed to buy anything else for awhile FW or GW

Sarge wrote:Not shocking that the remaining SM chapters now have Storm Ravenst.

They do? Because the website seems to think DA and SW, the remaining chapters now, still lack it. I could maybe see leaving it out of DA...even though SM gets two flyers, but SW's apparent fear of heights seems odd as they lack any Flakk.

SargentWhiskey wrote:These one click deals make me ill. People must be buying them tho because they keep releasing them

I guess updating your checkout quantity to "2" was confusing? It does sort of make sense for anyone getting into things without any real idea what they need though. A discount would be nice but at least it's a direction I guess.

 Peregrine wrote:

Sure, I expect some amount of fluff and pictures, like any codex would have. But this sounds like a minimal-effort book thrown together to milk the flyer cash cow a bit more, with a terrible ratio of paper-wasting garbage to actual content.

Agreed. Look at what they could have easily done.
1.) Made an FAQ/Errata to existing flyers that were priced as skimmers
2.) Make Death from the skies an actual expansion that benefits all armies, not just BT and C:SM.
3.) Released new flyers and rules, as well as more access to skyfire options.
4.) Released bundle deals that actually are bundles.

Instead what they offer is a slap in the face. Two heldrakes for the price of two? Thanks GW. You really saved me from having to change that number in the quantity section of the cart.
Rules for models that already exist? Thank you ever so much.
Content that could have been summed up with an FAQ/errata?
A second flyer release for C:SM while Eldar, Tau, and SW have yet to get a single flyer.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
2.) Make Death from the skies an actual expansion that benefits all armies, not just BT and C:SM.

Of course FW already did that, it's called IA:Aeronautica. And despite costing more than the GW abomination I was happy to buy it, because it had content.

 Disarray wrote:
are Tyranids totally left out of this?

yes.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Instead what they offer is a slap in the face. Two heldrakes for the price of two? Thanks GW. You really saved me from having to change that number in the quantity section of the cart.
Rules for models that already exist? Thank you ever so much.
Content that could have been summed up with an FAQ/errata?
A second flyer release for C:SM while Eldar, Tau, and SW have yet to get a single flyer.

Could you please explain how making products that you don't want is "a slap in the face?" If you don't want to buy something, just don't buy it and move on. Why feel insulted?

Could you please explain how making products that you don't want is "a slap in the face?" If you don't want to buy something, just don't buy it and move on. Why feel insulted?

The thing that annoys me about this release (haven't read it yet so based on hearsay and their advertising of it) is that I'm now gonna have to spend 33 bucks extra in addition to the rule book and codex army books which I already have just to avoid being TFG that doesn't have all the rules for his models. I've happily bought every codex even the ones for armies I don't nor will ever play because I like to read the rules for new units, etc., but there doesn't appear to be anything new in this release at all other than switching around who gets access to what and updating things that should have been updated when 6th came out.

It would be nice to see a package deal that actually saved a buck or two at some point as well.

 Kingsley wrote:
Could you please explain how making products that you don't want is "a slap in the face?" If you don't want to buy something, just don't buy it and move on. Why feel insulted?

Because some of us, despite GW's best efforts, still love the hobby and want it to succeed.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Kingsley wrote:
Could you please explain how making products that you don't want is "a slap in the face?" If you don't want to buy something, just don't buy it and move on. Why feel insulted?

Because some of us, despite GW's best efforts, still love the hobby and want it to succeed.

I can see why the one-click bundles are a slap in the face, to newcomers especially... seems odd that since the bulk of GW's customers are repeat buyers, I think most people will perform a rough and ready calculation to see how much they're saving...only to find that they're not. In fact I'd be half tempted to look up Britain's trading standard laws since you could argue it's presented as though it offers a discount. But I'm a lazy bugger and I don't really care.

The book we'll wait and see. Unfortunately the flyers available for guard are simply far too expensive for me, but it could be worthwhile if I start a marine army.

I can't understand why there isn't a digital version :(

Again a odd market choice lol.

There probably will be a digital version. That normaly appears 1-2 weeks after the paper release (I think).

The thing is, people were complaining that GW used to release the rules in chapter approved books, they do that, people complain. Whilst it would be nice if they did the rules for free on the website I can understand why they didn't. Free rules means people would stop buying WD for the rules, knowing they could get them for free later.

I wonder if there is sky fire rules in this book for more codex's.

Haha and the wolves are left out? Still nothing with wings of any kind for them?

Kind of annoyed really that any marine army except for space wolves and dark angels can now take stormravens, reduces the flavour the blood angels and grey knights could bring to the table... But well, this isn't the first or the last time GW will do this.

I wonder whether the model's rules will really change... It looks like the Stormraven will be Heavy Support for a GK army now, which basically means: "Oh you want that cool flyer? Yeah well you're gonna have to forget about the TL AC dreadnoughts then! Sorry!"

Hmm The Stormraven kit now contained BA and GK heraldry, will it now also contain ultramarine stuff etc?

Steve steveson wrote:
There probably will be a digital version. That normaly appears 1-2 weeks after the paper release (I think).

Past few codexes have had simultaneous releases.

At least the nids are finally getting a Harpy Model...


oh... Wait ¬¬

Well I'm just waiting to see if the digital space marine codex gets updated with the storm raven rules, if not that pretty much invalidates one of the main reasons for having the digital version. If they don't I won't buy this book I'll just find a copy online tbh.

Instead of paying £5.50 for new rules, we are charging you £20!

Also we have some cool new bundles which don't have any savings to con the unwary beginners and appeal to lazy people!

So make sure you advance order your copy of 'Death From The Skies' and our new 'One-click bundles' today!

That Space Wolves didn't get a flyer now most likely means they get a "custom" one once their codex get updated, DA-style. BT, it seems, will be "stuck" with these ones, on the other hand. Which, mind you, is fine by me since I can now use them for both C:SM and BT.

Well this is a screw over to blood angels isn't it. Got a unique unit that only you and gk have? Not anymore you don't. Did this bs go the other way too? I.e. do ba and gk get the storm talon since they had to share the raven?

Well, I just checked and they didn't update the iTune version of the SM Codex. Wonder how long that will take.

Was just in town and wandered in to my local GW to say hi. He hadn't even heard of this book.

 Sirius42 wrote:
Well this is a screw over to blood angels isn't it. Got a unique unit that only you and gk have? Not anymore you don't. Did this bs go the other way too? I.e. do ba and gk get the storm talon since they had to share the raven?

It's not like when Codex: SM got the Storm Raven they took it away from GK or BA. And if they left it, well you have just as many people saying that SM chapters are SM chapters and should have access to the same stuff.

 Sirius42 wrote:
Well this is a screw over to blood angels isn't it. Got a unique unit that only you and gk have? Not anymore you don't. Did this bs go the other way too? I.e. do ba and gk get the storm talon since they had to share the raven?

It doesn't seem so. Stormtalon appeared to the Black Templars section of the GW website so it seems BT get it, but by comparison it's not in the GK/BA sections. But seriously, most "generic-looking" kits eventually get handed out to other chapters. And by generic-looking I mean stuff not clearly modeled for just one chapter in terms of iconography etc.

But honestly does it even matter? The others would've eventually gotten a similar flyer if they didn't get this particular one. This was easier for GW and actually makes sense from both in-universe and in-real-life perspectives. And if SM/BT instead got a different flyer that looked better, I reckon some folks would cry about having a flyer that looks like a turd when yet another army gets a better-looking one

I know I'm late to the party as I haven't been following gw for a while, but when did the storm raven go up to $84.50? Like I said, haven't even keeping track since prices got stupid last year, and just checked thread to see if anything changed.

new faqs are up
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=1000018&pIndex=1&aId=3400019&start=2

 Disarray wrote:
are Tyranids totally left out of this?

I remember reading that only the cool armies were getting something in this book.

Nids et al will be covered in Codex: The Other Guys.

nkelsch wrote:Funny, I can get it locally in my GW store

It is clearly marked as mail order only. But some stores can get mail order only things for reduced profit marges.

nkelsch wrote:And initial release in the primary language of the 3 countries with thier majority base is something to complain about?

With the three major English speaking countries you mean UK, USA and Germany, I guess

mikhaila wrote:I find it less than thrilling. I had customers asking for the book this week. I spent a couple of hours on the phone with people at GW US, trying for anything. Don't care if I'm not getting it, just please tell me what to tell my customers. They all lied. Pretending they didn't know.

GW is pulling blisters out of US stores, taking away products we used to sell. Keeping us in the dark. Not giving us new releases. Our big information tool is going to always be late. I'm cutting my orders for White Dwarf again.

Sad days from what it used to. They don't care.

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To be fair, I always said it is mail order only, so you will most likely get it via that channel (it's not a limited release). But GW's lack of marketing, advertising and at least informing their trade "partners" is indeed disturbing, unprofessional and hurting sales.

Squidbot wrote:Was just in town and wandered in to my local GW to say hi. He hadn't even heard of this book.

It is a secret release.
Actually, it seems GW itself is a bit ashamed of this stop gap product, therefore no information at all, not even to stores. I guess this thread raised more interest in the product than anything GW has done.

 tvih wrote:
That Space Wolves didn't get a flyer now most likely means they get a "custom" one once their codex get updated, DA-style. BT, it seems, will be "stuck" with these ones, on the other hand. Which, mind you, is fine by me since I can now use them for both C:SM and BT.

Wasn't there a retcon years back that SW's like to fight with their feet on the ground, to explain why they lost jump packs and land speeders. Just saying GW might not give them any fliers since that would make them 'unique'.

 tvih wrote:

 Sirius42 wrote:
Well this is a screw over to blood angels isn't it. Got a unique unit that only you and gk have? Not anymore you don't. Did this bs go the other way too? I.e. do ba and gk get the storm talon since they had to share the raven?

It doesn't seem so. Stormtalon appeared to the Black Templars section of the GW website so it seems BT get it, but by comparison it's not in the GK/BA sections. But seriously, most "generic-looking" kits eventually get handed out to other chapters. And by generic-looking I mean stuff not clearly modeled for just one chapter in terms of iconography etc.

But honestly does it even matter? The others would've eventually gotten a similar flyer if they didn't get this particular one. This was easier for GW and actually makes sense from both in-universe and in-real-life perspectives. And if SM/BT instead got a different flyer that looked better, I reckon some folks would cry about having a flyer that looks like a turd when yet another army gets a better-looking one

My issue is that over time marine codices tend to creep towards being samey, last edition they finally got away from that with a unique feel and playstyle to all the sm codices. For the first time ever they almost made marines different enough to justify all the many different codexes rather than one or two codex marines with variant lists, so I see this as a massive step I the wrong direction. Additionally, if your going for an in verse justification, then why can't Dante and Seth do orbital strike? They are chapter masters after all.

So looking at the space marine FAQ it looks like GW intend this to be a compulsory rules purchase on top of existing codexes as they simply state that if you want the official rules you've got to buy the compendium. No commentary about rules changes, FoC slots taken in or anything.

On the slightly less grim side, it looks like buying Death From The Skies isn't actually necessary for the Codex Blood Angels and Imperial Guard players, as the FAQ's do update their unit entries.

By removing deep strike, scout and amending Skies of Blood.