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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 12:18:36
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Battle-tested Knight Castellan Pilot
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Well I've sent a short polite email to GW customer service to see if and when they will update the digital space marine codex. So if/when I get a response I'll let people know.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 12:33:10
Subject: Re:"Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
Sheppey, England
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Squidbot wrote:Was just in town and wandered in to my local GW to say hi. He hadn't even heard of this book.
I popped into mine just now to see if they had it in stock or available to look at. Direct-only, even for them.
That just transalates into a lost sale, I'm afraid. I was erring on the side of 'don't bother' but there was always the chance that flipping through a copy might have tempted me into an impulse buy.
Guess not.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 12:36:08
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Wight Lord with the Sword of Kings
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The fluff in Codex:BA is no longer accurate, neither the one in Codex:GK, about the Stormraven. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE GW
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 12:39:20
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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[DCM]
Moustache-twirling Princeps
Gone-to-ground in the craters of Coventry
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Look for the changes here in the updated erratas.
There's a new thread about the FAQs, but most changes appear to be in this book:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=1000018&pIndex=1&aId=3000006&multiPageMode=true&start=2
[Beaten to it by TheRedDevil]
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 12:44:10
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Grovelin' Grot Rigger
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Compel wrote:On the slightly less grim side, it looks like buying Death From The Skies isn't actually necessary for the Codex Blood Angels and Imperial Guard players, as the FAQ's do update their unit entries.
By removing deep strike, scout and amending Skies of Blood.
But previously Blood Angels could scatter D6" less using Descent of Angels when jumping out the back of a Stormraven. Under the FAQ that's been removed. So it's either been taken away completely or is a capability every jump pack marine in the back of a raven can have. To know, you'd need to buy the book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 13:02:01
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot
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varag wrote: Compel wrote:On the slightly less grim side, it looks like buying Death From The Skies isn't actually necessary for the Codex Blood Angels and Imperial Guard players, as the FAQ's do update their unit entries.
By removing deep strike, scout and amending Skies of Blood.
But previously Blood Angels could scatter D6" less using Descent of Angels when jumping out the back of a Stormraven. Under the FAQ that's been removed. So it's either been taken away completely or is a capability every jump pack marine in the back of a raven can have. To know, you'd need to buy the book.
Not at all ... DoA is attached to the JP in C: BA pg. 62
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 13:46:15
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Grovelin' Grot Rigger
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OIIIIIIO wrote:varag wrote: Compel wrote:On the slightly less grim side, it looks like buying Death From The Skies isn't actually necessary for the Codex Blood Angels and Imperial Guard players, as the FAQ's do update their unit entries.
By removing deep strike, scout and amending Skies of Blood.
But previously Blood Angels could scatter D6" less using Descent of Angels when jumping out the back of a Stormraven. Under the FAQ that's been removed. So it's either been taken away completely or is a capability every jump pack marine in the back of a raven can have. To know, you'd need to buy the book.
Not at all ... DoA is attached to the JP in C: BA pg. 62
True, but previously under the Skies of Blood rule it specifically stated that you could use the DoA rule to minimise your scatter. You just know that you're going to come up against somebody who won't make the connection or claim that as it isn't written in the Skies of Fury rule you can't do it. Spending $48 to avoid those situations and also ensure there are no other changes to the rule the FAQ missed is a bit much.
(Although I do see your point that you wouldn't have to buy it)
I suppose I'm also looking at it from an Ork players point of view, as I have the WD with the jet rules in and the previous FAQ. It doesn't say that you can use Fighta Ace on flyers. But I've heard that the digital rules state you can. If that's true and it's written as such in this book, I'd need it for one measly sentence.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 13:52:31
Subject: Re:"Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Well, at least the Stormraven finally comes in my favorite color...
*quietly slips off to worship his spiritual liege*
On a serious note, it's disappointing this is website direct only, and that I can't just go to the GW store in town and buy it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 13:55:25
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Dundee, Scotland/Dharahn, Saudi Arabia
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UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:Well I've sent a short polite email to GW customer service to see if and when they will update the digital space marine codex. So if/when I get a response I'll let people know.
There is an update available for codex space marine, chaos space marine, and dark angels, I'm downloading them now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 14:02:03
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Sirius42 wrote:
My issue is that over time marine codices tend to creep towards being samey, last edition they finally got away from that with a unique feel and playstyle to all the sm codices. For the first time ever they almost made marines different enough to justify all the many different codexes rather than one or two codex marines with variant lists, so I see this as a massive step I the wrong direction. Additionally, if your going for an in verse justification, then why can't Dante and Seth do orbital strike? They are chapter masters after all.
Having completely unique vehicles just won't make much sense. Having individualised vehicle weapon configurations or squad types makes more sense. I just cant see AD Mech approving space marine chapters hoarding entire STCs for themselves.
And yes, Dante and Seth should have orbital strike.
(And yes, I'd prefer there to be only one huge marine codex.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 14:17:43
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Battle-tested Knight Castellan Pilot
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marv335 wrote:UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:Well I've sent a short polite email to GW customer service to see if and when they will update the digital space marine codex. So if/when I get a response I'll let people know.
There is an update available for codex space marine, chaos space marine, and dark angels, I'm downloading them now.
Tried that earlier and there weren't any changes, I'll give it another go cheers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 14:20:58
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Sinewy Scourge
Lawrence, KS
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Sirius42 wrote:Well this is a screw over to blood angels isn't it. Got a unique unit that only you and gk have? Not anymore you don't. Did this bs go the other way too? I.e. do ba and gk get the storm talon since they had to share the raven?
Bah! You still have exclusive access to the Baal pattern Pred, don't you? Don't worry! I'd kill for one of those. Even if it was just 0-1...
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Therion wrote:6th edition lands on June 23rd!
Good news. This is the best time in the hobby. Full of promise. GW lets us down each time and we know it but secretly we're hoping that this is the edition that GW gives us a balanced game that can also be played competitively at tournaments. I'm loving it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 14:39:11
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Repentia Mistress
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Nagashek wrote: Sirius42 wrote:Well this is a screw over to blood angels isn't it. Got a unique unit that only you and gk have? Not anymore you don't. Did this bs go the other way too? I.e. do ba and gk get the storm talon since they had to share the raven?
Bah! You still have exclusive access to the Baal pattern Pred, don't you? Don't worry! I'd kill for one of those. Even if it was just 0-1...
Congrats then because thanks to Ally rules it is.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 15:18:41
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
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StormTalons are now Flyer(Hover) according to the BRB FAQ. This is excellent news. Finally the Marine Flyer that looks like a Gunship gets to move like one too rather than that ridiculous stop/start nonsense.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 15:31:11
Subject: Re:"Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Fixture of Dakka
West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA
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Blood Angels players are butthurt because they lost their Stormraven to Black Templars, but turnabout is fair play as they have had access to the Land Raider Crusader, which is (nearly) proprietary to Black Templars, since it first came out as a metal/plastic model..........
They still have Furioso/Librarian/Death Company Dreads, Baal Predators, Death Company, Sanguinary Guard...I would say they are still unique enough.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 15:34:20
Subject: Re:"Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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Their combos make me laugh.
Buy 1, or buy 2 for twice the price! We will even include this collectors box!
Sadly, GW pricing is kind of a joke.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 15:41:25
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Fixture of Dakka
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Err, I don't think there's much whining about Black Templars getting the Storm Raven.
What people are annoyed about, however, is Codex Space Marines getting the Storm Raven, without even the niceties of the Storm Talon getting reciprocated.
As for the rest of it. Unit Count wise:
Furioso/Librarian/Death Company = Ironclad / Venerable
Baal Predators = Land Speeder Storms
Death Company = Legion of the Damned
Sanguinary Guard = Honour Guard
Honour Guard = Command Squad
????? = Thunderfire Cannons
It really is quite annoying, especially when you take into account people were hoping that Games Workshop had learned this lesson already with the previous Dark Angels codex.
I wonder if at the very least Forgeworld will open up the Storm Eagle to Blood Angels.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 15:59:28
Subject: Re:"Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Plaguelord Titan Princeps of Nurgle
Alabama
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Personally, I don't mind that different codices have different units. It keeps them from being the same codex in different shades of armor.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 16:41:41
Subject: Re:"Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Dominating Dominatrix
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Peregrine wrote: Kingsley wrote:Could you please explain how making products that you don't want is "a slap in the face?" If you don't want to buy something, just don't buy it and move on. Why feel insulted?
Because some of us, despite GW's best efforts, still love the hobby and want it to succeed.
Thank you. I needed a new quote for my signature.
On topic: It looks like a really cheap cash-in which had the potential to be so much more. But here's the thing. I probably would've bought it anyway. IF they had offered me the opportunity. But again, they pull this "get it while it's new"-gak and only release in English. My English is just fine, but I prefer my rulebooks to all have the same language. This is just another very stupid business decission bei GW.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 17:17:54
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Kelne
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Compel wrote:Err, I don't think there's much whining about Black Templars getting the Storm Raven.
What people are annoyed about, however, is Codex Space Marines getting the Storm Raven, without even the niceties of the Storm Talon getting reciprocated.
As for the rest of it. Unit Count wise:
Furioso/Librarian/Death Company = Ironclad / Venerable
Baal Predators = Land Speeder Storms
Death Company = Legion of the Damned
Sanguinary Guard = Honour Guard
Honour Guard = Command Squad
????? = Thunderfire Cannons
It really is quite annoying, especially when you take into account people were hoping that Games Workshop had learned this lesson already with the previous Dark Angels codex.
I wonder if at the very least Forgeworld will open up the Storm Eagle to Blood Angels.
Feel no Pain = ?????
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 17:22:21
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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wow, My local FLGS is so upset that this is direct order, they they are considering dropping GW all together.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 17:25:34
Subject: Re:"Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Hauptmann
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Well, that's disappointing that this wasn't used as an opportunity to fix the problematic flyers in the game. Looks like the meta is going to remain skewed until the guard get a re-do. And with four armies now having access to the Stormraven hopes of that thing getting fixed at any point in 6E are down the drains. Looks like the AV12 flyers will remain power-houses unless you go all-in on air defense. That is a little disheartening, but at least kind of expected, given GW's track record. Oh well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 17:30:34
Subject: Re:"Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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labmouse42 wrote:Their combos make me laugh.
Buy 1, or buy 2 for twice the price! We will even include this collectors box!
Sadly, GW pricing is kind of a joke.
They defended them on their facebook (back when they had one) as a way for newcomers to get quickly into the game.
Actually, I see many newcomers backing off when they see the price of the combined products. It basically kills impulse shoppers. Dad may be able to let 30€ slip from time to time. 130€? Not so much.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 17:38:50
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Harriticus wrote:Would be more interested if it included new flyers. Tau and Eldar are still waiting. Saying SoB should get also one is a long lost cause that is not even a realistic option.
SoB can have the Avenger from Forge World.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 17:53:12
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Courageous Grand Master
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After reading the comments, and speaking to a friend that works in a GW store, I'm glad I got out. This release sounds like a total mess. If anybody wants to get off this sinking ship, then I'm pulling alongside in a lifeboat marked Flames of war and Mantic (or any other half decent company).
They don't care about you, so vote with your wallet and give your money to somebody that does.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 17:58:31
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Do you really think that Battlefront or Mantic care about you beyond your money?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:07:52
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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I still dont get what exactly is wrong with it.
Its just a re hash of old rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:09:09
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Executing Exarch
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They sure in hell show it better then GW.
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hotsauceman1 wrote:I still dont get what exactly is wrong with it.
Its just a re hash of old rules.
Its the fact that GW in the past has always put stuff up for free on their website, especially erratas, and this is an errata in every sense of the word. But instead they threw it in a book that is direct from the website only (alienating discounters and LGSs) made it english ony (alienating every single non english speaking customer) and put a hefty price tag on it.
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Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:16:34
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Emboldened Warlock
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My FLGS are getting copies for their store. So me and a friend will go together to buy it (he has IG, Chaos and BT while I have Necrons (only mentioning the flier armies))
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:25:51
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post)
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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The FAQ are updated with info re this book.
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