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Even through I'm mostly a quite positive GW supporter, I have to agree with people on this is a huge missed opportunity. The book ibasically just sounds like old WD rules, errata, and a few old campaign rules thrown together, with GW not even bothering to translate and release it properly.

Yeah the space marine FAQ basically says buy the book. What an amazing update. Now GW has managed to turn its FAQ into an advert, bravo.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Yeah the space marine FAQ basically says buy the book. What an amazing update. Now GW has managed to turn its FAQ into an advert, bravo.

GW's FAQs previously pointed to a White Dwarf issue (which wasn't available after a while). Now they point to a book that is available. Oh no?

Something it doesn't look like anyone's pointed out, the FAQ's make it sound like BTs get the Talon also.

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What I'm interested of knowing whether this book will contain updates that are not already covered by codex/WD + errata. It is a bit annoying if you need to get this book even though you already had the rules for your flyers. Not a huge deal in either case, though.

Mmm I have a thought. I'll have to check around my locale area for other army players and we can go all in on the book and just rip out the corisponding pages we each need. Anything say that the book has to be in one piece to use?

@kingsley how odd that I have all the infinity rules on official PDF and only this morning downloaded the malifaux Rulebook from there site. Oh wait a minute your wrong, who would have thought it.

Lets put this in little jimmys perspective as GW loves little jimmy.

Little jimmy enters his local GW having found out he can have a stormraven for his ultraspesh marins, he's excited to be going zoom zoom pew pew real soon.

Grabbing a stormraven in his grubby little mitts he drags mum to the till where he is told that to use it he needs to buy death from the skies aswell. Grudgingly mum asks if the store assistant will grab one for her. He says no, give me £20 and you'll get it in a week. Mum says screw this you can have COD97 like you wanted.

Why did they not just title it

"F U non Marine players"

I'm looking forward to reading this supplement.


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@meangreenstompa lol where do I make my mark?

yeah,
I've bought this as I buy all their books. hopefully it wil be good and have enought fluff and fun missions to be worth it's money.

 Crimson wrote:
What I'm interested of knowing whether this book will contain updates that are not already covered by codex/WD + errata. It is a bit annoying if you need to get this book even though you already had the rules for your flyers. Not a huge deal in either case, though.

Today's FAQ invalidates the WD flier rules in 6th edition.

Yesterday players could use the WD updates.
Today they are being told the only way to continue using their models legally is to buy this £20 book or the iPad flier eBooks.
Their WD rules are no longer valid and That's wrong. GW is making it easy for people to mock them.

Panic...

FAQ will obviously refer to most recent version of the rules, but if the rules are the same, then it won't really matter.

yeah,

 Crimson wrote:
FAQ will obviously refer to most recent version of the rules, but if the rules are the same, then it won't really matter.

The previous faq replaced all the 5th edition 'mega skimmers' lingo in the WD articles with 6th edition flyer rules.
it was clumsy but it worked, and a lot of people bought those WDs just for their models flyer rules.

Without a current valid FAQ updating the articles, those WD rules have been invalidated within a year of publication.
That's not good value for money.

Panic...

Why are people complaining that X-Marines get this and Y-Marines get that? You play Space Marines, they're all the same.

If you 'officially' play "Space Wolves" and want to run the Storm Talon, just run a Vanillamarines codex with your existing models and say you're playing Ultrawolves or something. Want to run a Crusader AND a Storm Raven? Play "Wolf Templars", descendant of Black Templars descendant of Imperial Fists.

If you really like the Storm Finch model and you actually run the Forgotten Marines, just drop $500 on your own "three pack" of Thunder Parakeet Gunships for the same deal GW offers you and paint them up in your chapter's colors. Equip them with Wolfblood Wolfmissilewolfwolfs if you want to match the rest of your army.

GW doesn't care about fluff. Why should you?

There are rules for using the Stormraven Gunship with a Codex: Space Marines and Black Templars army; updated rules for the range of Warhammer 40,000 Flyer models, including new bestiary and army list entries for the following codexes:

***Black Templars***, Blood Angels, Dark Eldar, Grey Knights, Imperial Guard, Necrons, Orks and Space Marines.

Hey black templars are gettings some love at least

Okay, SOMEBODY must have gotten this book by now: I know it's against Dakka policy to post rules. That said, can somebody confirm or deny that this book actually nullifies the rules of WD fliers? GW's FAQ only states to see the new book: that, in actuality, means nothing. I'm not asking whoever has the book to post full rules-only post if it does, in fact, invalidate WD.

So is the GK storm raven now HS as per their website store?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Okay, SOMEBODY must have gotten this book by now: I know it's against Dakka policy to post rules. That said, can somebody confirm or deny that this book actually nullifies the rules of WD fliers? GW's FAQ only states to see the new book: that, in actuality, means nothing. I'm not asking whoever has the book to post full rules-only post if it does, in fact, invalidate WD.

Nobody will have the book because it is mail order only. Earliest anybody can get their hands on this will be probably Tuesday.

 Kingsley wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Yeah the space marine FAQ basically says buy the book. What an amazing update. Now GW has managed to turn its FAQ into an advert, bravo.

GW's FAQs previously pointed to a White Dwarf issue (which wasn't available after a while). Now they point to a book that is available. Oh no?

Dont be dense, its only available in english and from the webstore. There is nothing you can that makes this a good thing

Huh. I thought a couple people said their store had it-don't want to wade thru 22 pages though to check. I'd expect a few GW stores would have them-like the Memphis Battle Bunker or the Nottingham head store. The idea that people can't get this book from these two places is shocking.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Okay, SOMEBODY must have gotten this book by now: I know it's against Dakka policy to post rules. That said, can somebody confirm or deny that this book actually nullifies the rules of WD fliers? GW's FAQ only states to see the new book: that, in actuality, means nothing. I'm not asking whoever has the book to post full rules-only post if it does, in fact, invalidate WD.

What exactly are you worried about? The rules are going to be almost exactly the same as the WD, except that it will include the changes from 6th edition (Flyer instead of Skimmer, etc). You'll be able to play with the WD article no problem.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Okay, SOMEBODY must have gotten this book by now: I know it's against Dakka policy to post rules. That said, can somebody confirm or deny that this book actually nullifies the rules of WD fliers? GW's FAQ only states to see the new book: that, in actuality, means nothing. I'm not asking whoever has the book to post full rules-only post if it does, in fact, invalidate WD.

What exactly are you worried about? The rules are going to be almost exactly the same as the WD, except that it will include the changes from 6th edition (Flyer instead of Skimmer, etc). You'll be able to play with the WD article no problem.

Except at events and leagues that require legal current rules physically or electronically present. If those same events allow you to use your old Dark Angel codex as long as you "pencil in" the differences that the new one has then he will be fine. Most simple friendly pickup games will be ok though.

I'm not worried-I'd just like to know for curiosity's sake. I haven't played in 7 months. I also own the WD and the BA and GK codexes. So if I ever go back to 40k, I'd like to know if I can use the rules in those books without ever having to even see this one.

 warboss wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Okay, SOMEBODY must have gotten this book by now: I know it's against Dakka policy to post rules. That said, can somebody confirm or deny that this book actually nullifies the rules of WD fliers? GW's FAQ only states to see the new book: that, in actuality, means nothing. I'm not asking whoever has the book to post full rules-only post if it does, in fact, invalidate WD.

What exactly are you worried about? The rules are going to be almost exactly the same as the WD, except that it will include the changes from 6th edition (Flyer instead of Skimmer, etc). You'll be able to play with the WD article no problem.

Except at events and leagues that require legal current rules physically or electronically present. If those same events allow you to use your old Dark Angel codex as long as you "pencil in" the differences that the new one has then he will be fine. Most simple friendly pickup games will be ok though.

There's a huge difference between editions of codexes and the reprinting of a unit entry with the FAQ updates baked in.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

There's a huge difference between editions of codexes and the reprinting of a unit entry with the FAQ updates baked in.

And yet they the same thing just to differing degrees of severity. Having the current copy of the rules at the tableside is NOT an unreasonable thing for your opponent or event organizer to ask of you. What is inconvient and unreasonable is the method in which GW is making these "available".

I have my doubts that a secret release of a book, that is not generally available and only in a foreign language, is compulsory and tournament legal. Otherwise I print out a Japanese Codex for my next game.

And yes, GW has been hushhush about this product. No official information until last night. No way to order it until tday. No way to get the order packed until Monday. No way to get it before Tuesday earliets. No preview copies for stores either.

Guess I'll have to order it up.

Ordered mine as well. Totally OK with this product! The internet rage tears are a delicious, refreshing nectar.

 Kroothawk wrote:
I have my doubts that a secret release of a book, that is not generally available and only in a foreign language, is compulsory and tournament legal. Otherwise I print out a Japanese Codex for my next game.

And yes, GW has been hushhush about this product. No official information until last night. No way to order it until tday. No way to get the order packed until Monday. No way to get it before Tuesday earliets. No preview copies for stores either.

I didn't know GW had preview copies, they didn't let me look at the warriors of chaos army book, so I refused to buy it based only on their world that it was good