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You could just use the WD article/BA Codex/GK Codex with the information from the FAQs. No big deal.

the_trooper wrote:


-Only in English and is required for all peoples that play this game if they want to use the items listed. Under the Spanish FAQ, for instance, it says to reference Death From The Skies which is only in English

That one is not so bad. In Polish Rulebook you have more mistakes than content.

UltraPrime wrote:
You could just use the WD article/BA Codex/GK Codex with the information from the FAQs. No big deal.

The problem is that for all we know Dakkajets may automatically crash the turn they arrive now. The rules in White Dwarf are no longer valid because the FAQ no longer references them. This means that in a tournament situation you must use the rules in Death From The Skies.

Now lets not split hairs here: the majority of people who ever used the White Dwarf Fliers didn't own that copy of White Dwarf anyway. This is only going to be an issue for a few more days until the rules become "available" again.

Really what GW did was call the internets bluff. Everybody who downloaded the PDF scan of the White Dwarf claimed they would buy the rules if they were available. GW made them available for money and the internet got upset because now they have to buy them or be a hypocrite.

Considering the first print run sold out in 4 hours (if you believe GW customer service), I'd say that the people clamoring for access to filer rules weren't bluffing.

I certainly wasn't.

 kronk wrote:
Considering the first print run sold out in 4 hours (if you believe GW customer service), I'd say that the people clamoring for access to filer rules weren't bluffing.

I certainly wasn't.

I doubt the ones buying the book are the ones flooding the internet with butthurt comments though.

I wouldn't know about that, honestly.

I was certainly...annoyed that the only way I could get the Dakka Jet rules were either buying the sold out White Dwarf on ebay, buying a iPad then buying the suppliment, or photocopying a friend's WD.

 kronk wrote:
I wouldn't know about that, honestly.

I was certainly...annoyed that the only way I could get the Dakka Jet rules were either buying the sold out White Dwarf on ebay, buying a iPad then buying the suppliment, or photocopying a friend's WD.

I'm with you on that. The flyers all came out while I wasn't even in the hobby so I completely missed the boat. I'm chuffed they are available to buy now and double chuffed they come with the bit of Dark Crusade I actually cared about.

 Byte wrote:
GW is having no issue selling the new book.

From GW:

Death From The Skies

**STOP PRESS**
Due to exceptional demand Death From The Skies is out of stock. We will make this book available to purchase as soon as we are able, in the meantime please keep checking back on this product page for any updates.

Artificially creating hype by low balling the initial numbers, its smart, vile and underhanded, but smart. They purposely understock the webstore all the time so they can attach "sold out" to it, its basically a sales pitch that says "get it while you can". Its like throwing crack into a filthy dumpster in front of a crack head in withdrawl.




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 General_Chaos wrote:
I don't understand all the hate. Everyone was wishing that GW came out with Chapter approved again and now that they do something like this along the same lines people are still pissed off what gives?

I am only pissed that I can't order now that it's out of stock and have to wait.

Chapter approved had a massive collection of rules, I posted it earlier in this thread but there was more then a dozen different army lists that were usable in the normal game and was $35, this book is 6 fliers and add on rules you'll never use for $40, so the comparison is a little off

 Ravenous D wrote:

Artificially creating hype by low balling the initial numbers, its smart, vile and underhanded, but smart. They purposely understock the webstore all the time so they can attach "sold out" to it, its basically a sales pitch that says "get it while you can". Its like throwing crack into a filthy dumpster in front of a crack head in withdrawl.

Citation needed. Don't attribute to malice what can adequately be attributed to incompetence.

I've started attributing everything that everyone ever does to incompetence. It helps me get through the day. Well, that and half a bottle of bourbon.

How about we compromise and agree it's malefic incompetence.

 kronk wrote:
I've started attributing everything that everyone ever does to incompetence. It helps me get through the day. Well, that and half a bottle of bourbon.

Agreed and agreed.

I can't see GW low balling this one. They plainly underestimated demand for rules.

The only reason there is demand for these rules is people couldn't get their hands on the WD after it sold out. Mostly because a lot assumed no one bought it any more and there would be plenty of spare copies.

This is the worst sort in incompetence on GW part. WD sells out proving demand then full rules sell out, they should have know there would be likely high demand.

Maybe they did low ball it, but i'd bet incompetence.


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News just in low ball has different meaning then we are using it on this forum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-ball

 kronk wrote:
Customer Service is telling people that the next print run should be ready in 2-3 weeks.

So 2 things I gather from this.

1. The second batch of sales may suffer if the reviews of the first batch are what is speculated... 6 flyers and some dog fight rules.

2. They had an artificially low number for sale. All GW books for the past 5 years at least have been printed in China. For them to have a new run ready in 2-3 weeks means they either have them sitting in warehouse right now, or are printing out of the UK or US.

They'll print in Italy or Eastern Europe, where print costs have dropped enough to make the higher cost offset nicely against the lower shipping and lead time. Trust me on this, I work in the books industry.

UltraPrime wrote:
You could just use the WD article/BA Codex/GK Codex with the information from the FAQs. No big deal.

Ummm, no. WD rules don't apply anymore.

How do we know these rules are significantly different from the WD rules?

 skrulnik wrote:

So 2 things I gather from this.

1. The second batch of sales may suffer if the reviews of the first batch are what is speculated... 6 flyers and some dog fight rules.

Except everyone knew that this was what was in the book when they ordered it. It is right on the product page. No one is getting fooled here.

2. They had an artificially low number for sale. All GW books for the past 5 years at least have been printed in China. For them to have a new run ready in 2-3 weeks means they either have them sitting in warehouse right now, or are printing out of the UK or US.

Citation needed.

Here's another 'theory' based on the 2-3 week number. They thought they would sell X copies over a period of 3-4 weeks. So they originally printed X copies with X more copies set to be printed and delivered in 2-3 weeks. They instead sold X copies in less than 24 hours. Lucky for them, they have more coming in 2-3 weeks instead of 1-2 months.

See, makes just as much sense but requires less tin foil. Unfortunately for both of us, they are both speculation with no verifiable basis in truth.

 kronk wrote:
How do we know these rules are significantly different from the WD rules?

It doesn't matter if they're different or not. The FAQ says to reference the new book for the stats, not the WD update.

 kronk wrote:
How do we know these rules are significantly different from the WD rules?

We don't, but the FAQ says refer to DFTS. So keep the WD in your bag. The applicable rule set has a more current addition. When/if new daemons come out try using your WD.

rigeld2 wrote:

It doesn't matter if they're different or not. The FAQ says to reference the new book for the stats, not the WD update.

Who cares what the FAQ references to, it the rules are exactly the same.

However, they apparently are not.

Yet to be seen.

If, when folks get the rules, they really are identical to WD + FAQ updates, or codex + FAQ updates, then TOs and players are likely to make having the actual book optional.

And then we shall all look back on this thread and laugh.

 Mannahnin wrote:
Yet to be seen.

If, when folks get the rules, they really are identical to WD + FAQ updates, or codex + FAQ updates, then TOs and players are likely to make having the actual book optional.

Or to paraphrase my sig:

"It's too early to be crying about this. Maybe next week all your tears will be valid."

 Mannahnin wrote:
Yet to be seen.

Digital codices have been updated, and apparently points costs have changed. There might be other changes as well. I cannot verify as I don't have iPad.

Other forums are discussing this instead of bitching about the rules existing.

 Crimson wrote:

 Mannahnin wrote:
Yet to be seen.

Digital codices have been updated, and apparently points costs have changed. There might be other changes as well. I cannot verify as I don't have iPad.

Other forums are discussing this instead of bitching about the rules existing.

Using the WD rules sound like a good idea now?

Thanks for the heads up btw. Good stuff.

I have the marine stormraven rules. 200pts, Heavy Support. Stormstrike missles are S8, AP2, concussive. AV and BS are the same as the BA version.

 Crimson wrote:

 Mannahnin wrote:
Yet to be seen.

Digital codices have been updated, and apparently points costs have changed. There might be other changes as well. I cannot verify as I don't have iPad.

Other forums are discussing this instead of bitching about the rules existing.

You could have linked to something rather than just bitching about the thread... And those posts are VERY recent.

From the Warseer thread:

Yep the digital codex is updated, so I can confirm that the storm talon is cheaper than before. Most weapon options actually cost the same as before with the exception of skyhammer missiles, which are a lot cheaper and now look like a compelling choice.

The SM storm raven costs the same as a BA one and has basically the same options. Its missiles are the same strength but not quite as good AP.

Oddly then, the release of this book makes a compelling argument for digital codexes, and getting an ipad. If you have these, you don't need this book and your codex will update automatically, kind of like it was the 21st century or something.

Are you sure?

Because i've seen other people report that while the skyhammers dropped in points,lasers and thypoons went up (while still ending at less point total than before thanks to the base ST point drop)

He's wrong.
These are the changes:

Base cost down to 110 points.
Skyhammer down 10.
Lascannons up 10.
Typhoon up 10.

a 35 point reduction on the talon is curious.

I was pretty sure base cost was 130 before so it's only a 20pt reduction. With a total 10pt reduction if armed with the LC or Typhoon and a 30pt reduction on the skyhammer variant. Interesting though. It was silly priced and who wouldn't pay 50 more points for a TL-MM, TL-LC, and 4 St8 AP2 missiles?

It does make you wonder if the Vendetta got a point change or not though. Or if the Ork fighters did. Hmmm...

35 points reduction in total, since it was 130+25 and now it will be 110+10