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2013/02/20 15:29:57
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post, FAQ known about)
GmanV2 wrote: So, I ordered and am one of those who got delayed, but I just got an email (4 actually) apologizing and giving me a $25 virtual gift voucher to spend in apology with assurances my book will ship/arrive around March 4th!
GW did good with that I think.
Oh, that's quite a decent solution - that's more thsn half of the value of the entire book
2013/02/20 15:35:27
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post, FAQ known about)
I received the same e-mail (err, well, same 4 e-mails actually). It's a pretty solid move on their part for the trouble, especially as I ordered something else with the book so I'll be waiting on that for a few weeks now too.
2013/02/20 16:31:41
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post, FAQ known about)
Gar'Ang wrote:It did, read the last couple of pages, it's there somewhere
Compel wrote:My Review of the Book
Page 57: Storm Talon: Still 2 HP. It now has the Strafing Run rules. Type (Flyer, Hover). Escort craft rules looks to be clarified to avoid anything BS-ey. Can't escort anything using Outflank / Deepstriking. Plus other stuff. NO supersonic rules
That'd be why I asked.
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2013/02/20 16:34:23
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post, FAQ known about)
I assume you were too lazy to do any research at all regarding this book? There never was any mention of Eldar or Tau being in this book with their upcoming Codex releases.
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2013/02/20 17:29:15
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post, FAQ known about)
kronk wrote: Some people are claiming to have received an email that the 2nd printing won't be available until Late March or Early April.
I ordered the book early Saturday morning at the Games Workshop Battle Bunker in Bowie, MD before 11 am, yet GW has put me into the list of people who's book is back-ordered. However, they have sent me a virtual voucher as an apology that more than makes up for the delay in receiving my book.
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2013/02/20 17:45:20
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post, FAQ known about)
GmanV2 wrote: So, I ordered and am one of those who got delayed, but I just got an email (4 actually) apologizing and giving me a $25 virtual gift voucher to spend in apology with assurances my book will ship/arrive around March 4th!
GW did good with that I think.
Oh, that's quite a decent solution - that's more thsn half of the value of the entire book
Of course it comes with the usual gift card caveat of having a gift card of $X value which means you will then spend $X * 2 when you actually use it.
Definitely nice of them to offer up a gift voucher for those who got delayed shipping of the book.
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Farseer Faenyin wrote: I assume you were too lazy to do any research at all regarding this book? There never was any mention of Eldar or Tau being in this book with their upcoming Codex releases.
Well given that until the book was in hand it was not *known*, but assumed there would be no Eldar or Tau in the book and some people were still hopeful that such might not be the case there is no reason to be rude about it.
Also with chaos daemons looking probable for the next codex there is even more reason for people to hope that there would have been a bump for two of the oldest books in the rotation.
Either way until the book is released and people see what it is in it, it is all just conjecture and rumor.
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2013/02/20 19:36:51
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post, FAQ known about)
At £20, the book is 72 pages long. Softcover, reminiscent of the old Campaign book covers (EG Black Crusade)
The back cover is just a load of pictures of the flyers for sale.
Page 5 - 20: "The Battle of Cadrim" - This looks like a slightly extended version of the section in White Dwarf when the storm talon came out. It includes the same pictures of the White Scars armies etc.
Page 23 - 29: Air War Missions.
Mission 1: Deadly Bridgehead: Space Marines with Necron allies, against Orks.
Mission 2: Scramble; Space Marines V Orks
Mission 3: Aerial Assault: Necrons V orks with Space Marine allies
Mission 4: Death from the Skies: Necrons V Marines
Page 32 - 40: Burning Skies - Looks like a reprint of the Crusade of Fire rules
Page 40 - 55: Gallery pictures
Now we're coming to the important bit
Page 56: StormRaven Beastiary: It includes the FAQ updates. EG, a Dreadnaught taking s10 hits if the flyer explodes and is zooming. The important note is Blood Angels and Grey Knights armies use the rules printed here though their storm ravens have additional wargear options and rules - see the army list for details. Also, new piece of artwork. An ultrasmurf storm raven.
Page 57: Storm Talon: Still 2 HP. It now has the Strafing Run rules. Type (Flyer, Hover). Escort craft rules looks to be clarified to avoid anything BS-ey. Can't escort anything using Outflank / Deepstriking. Plus other stuff. NO supersonic rules
Page 58: Valkyrie/Vendetta: Exactly the same as the IG codex, but with HP's added in - Same as rulebook. Also the Grav Chute Insertion rules have been updated with the FAQ rules
Page 59: VoidRaven/Razorwing: I'm assuming these are the same? Razorwing Armour 10, VoidRaven Armour 11. Night Vision/Supersonic rules
Page 60: DoomScythe: Looks the same as before
Page 61: NightScythe: Broadly the same as before. They clarify the embarked unit doesn't take damage when destroyed. Also they enter through normal reserves? No mention of rembarking on a night scythe... However. "If a night scythe has moved more than 24", the disembarking unit may only fire snap shots."
Page 62: Dakkajet: No Hover. However, Strafing run, supersonic. Fighta Ace upgrade has been renamed to 'flyboss' - it basically gives him Strafing Run against things you don't get strafing run against.... Aside from that, same as before.
Page 63: Burna Bomber, Blitza Bomber: Seems the same as before, with obvious changes. No hover. Supersonic, waaagh plane! Points costs and upgrades are identical to White Dwarf.
Page 64: Wargear. A burna bomb is a bomb... Death Ray looks like it has rules changes... It hurts friendly models too. It can't hurt zooming flyers or flying monstrous creatures.
Page 65: Wargear. Everything looks the same.
Page 66: StormStrike Missiles: I dunno what to say, they actually seem to kick rear end... S8, AP2, concussive...
Page 68: Army List:
Storm Raven: Heavy Support: Yup, marines and templars get storm raven. Nothing for space puppies. Grey Knights and Blood Angels don't get stormstrike missiles. The rest looks broadly similar
Storm Talon: Marines/Black Templars only (typical). Fast Attack. A lot cheaper in points. The most expensive version is 10 points cheaper than before.
Page 69: Army List:
Valkyrie And Vendetta: Identical to earlier rules
Page 70:
Razorwing, Voidraven, Doom Scythe, Night Scythe:
I think these are identical to their normal rules
Page 71: The Ork Flyers: In all honesty, they seem the same as the white dwarf. I think someone with more of an ork brain will need to pick out the diffferences.
Page 72: Summary Page.
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So, there you go. That's what your getting for your £20, and that's what the FLGS' are losing out on.
Edit: So, in summary, it seems only Black Templars and Codex Marines players really need to buy it.
So it looks like I'm safe in deciding to not get this release. Being an IG player, why would I?
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2013/02/21 20:16:55
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post, FAQ known about)
At £20, the book is 72 pages long. Softcover, reminiscent of the old Campaign book covers (EG Black Crusade)
The back cover is just a load of pictures of the flyers for sale.
Page 5 - 20: "The Battle of Cadrim" - This looks like a slightly extended version of the section in White Dwarf when the storm talon came out. It includes the same pictures of the White Scars armies etc.
Page 23 - 29: Air War Missions.
Mission 1: Deadly Bridgehead: Space Marines with Necron allies, against Orks.
Mission 2: Scramble; Space Marines V Orks
Mission 3: Aerial Assault: Necrons V orks with Space Marine allies
Mission 4: Death from the Skies: Necrons V Marines
Page 32 - 40: Burning Skies - Looks like a reprint of the Crusade of Fire rules
Page 40 - 55: Gallery pictures
Now we're coming to the important bit
Page 56: StormRaven Beastiary: It includes the FAQ updates. EG, a Dreadnaught taking s10 hits if the flyer explodes and is zooming. The important note is Blood Angels and Grey Knights armies use the rules printed here though their storm ravens have additional wargear options and rules - see the army list for details. Also, new piece of artwork. An ultrasmurf storm raven.
Page 57: Storm Talon: Still 2 HP. It now has the Strafing Run rules. Type (Flyer, Hover). Escort craft rules looks to be clarified to avoid anything BS-ey. Can't escort anything using Outflank / Deepstriking. Plus other stuff. NO supersonic rules
Page 58: Valkyrie/Vendetta: Exactly the same as the IG codex, but with HP's added in - Same as rulebook. Also the Grav Chute Insertion rules have been updated with the FAQ rules
Page 59: VoidRaven/Razorwing: I'm assuming these are the same? Razorwing Armour 10, VoidRaven Armour 11. Night Vision/Supersonic rules
Page 60: DoomScythe: Looks the same as before
Page 61: NightScythe: Broadly the same as before. They clarify the embarked unit doesn't take damage when destroyed. Also they enter through normal reserves? No mention of rembarking on a night scythe... However. "If a night scythe has moved more than 24", the disembarking unit may only fire snap shots."
Page 62: Dakkajet: No Hover. However, Strafing run, supersonic. Fighta Ace upgrade has been renamed to 'flyboss' - it basically gives him Strafing Run against things you don't get strafing run against.... Aside from that, same as before.
Page 63: Burna Bomber, Blitza Bomber: Seems the same as before, with obvious changes. No hover. Supersonic, waaagh plane! Points costs and upgrades are identical to White Dwarf.
Page 64: Wargear. A burna bomb is a bomb... Death Ray looks like it has rules changes... It hurts friendly models too. It can't hurt zooming flyers or flying monstrous creatures.
Page 65: Wargear. Everything looks the same.
Page 66: StormStrike Missiles: I dunno what to say, they actually seem to kick rear end... S8, AP2, concussive...
Page 68: Army List:
Storm Raven: Heavy Support: Yup, marines and templars get storm raven. Nothing for space puppies. Grey Knights and Blood Angels don't get stormstrike missiles. The rest looks broadly similar
Storm Talon: Marines/Black Templars only (typical). Fast Attack. A lot cheaper in points. The most expensive version is 10 points cheaper than before.
Page 69: Army List:
Valkyrie And Vendetta: Identical to earlier rules
Page 70:
Razorwing, Voidraven, Doom Scythe, Night Scythe:
I think these are identical to their normal rules
Page 71: The Ork Flyers: In all honesty, they seem the same as the white dwarf. I think someone with more of an ork brain will need to pick out the diffferences.
Page 72: Summary Page.
------------------
So, there you go. That's what your getting for your £20, and that's what the FLGS' are losing out on.
Edit: So, in summary, it seems only Black Templars and Codex Marines players really need to buy it.
So it looks like I'm safe in deciding to not get this release. Being an IG player, why would I?
It depends. If you can convince your opponent to use the Burning Skies rules then you can do some very nasty things with the special manoeuvres Guard have access to
Also I picked this book up tonight from my local GW who got a couple of copies in their delivery today. They were sold within about 60 seconds and everything that has been said by Compel is 100% accurate. If you have Ork flyers and have the WD update you don't need this book as all that changed were the names of special rules not what they do. The only flyer that has had any significant changes was the Storm Talon which just got a lot better and is now a premier ground attack flyer.
kronk wrote: Some people are claiming to have received an email that the 2nd printing won't be available until Late March or Early April.
I ordered the book early Saturday morning at the Games Workshop Battle Bunker in Bowie, MD before 11 am, yet GW has put me into the list of people who's book is back-ordered. However, they have sent me a virtual voucher as an apology that more than makes up for the delay in receiving my book.
Credit is given when credit is due and it is a class act on giving vouchers to people waiting for their order.
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2013/02/22 00:07:33
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post, FAQ known about)
Adam's Motto: Paint, Create, Play, but above all, have fun. -and for something silly below-
"We are the Ultramodrines, And We Shall Fear No Trolls. bear this USR with pride".
Also, how does one apply to be a member of the Ultramodrines? Are harsh trials involved, ones that would test my faith as a wargamer and resolve as a geek?
You must recite every rule of Dakka Dakka. BACKWARDS.
2013/02/22 01:54:45
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post, FAQ known about)
Lets see...
FLGS cant order the first printing - only via GW website, people are usually going to add a few other things to the shopping kart while they are there..
Not enough copies printed - this creates false demand, people see it out of stock and think it must be good if its sold out so quickly.
Vouchers for 1/2 the price of the book to people waiting for the 2nd printing - vouchers that can only be redeemed via the GW website, again screwing the FLGS. And again, people are likely to add a few things to the kart while they are there.
Knowing GW modus operandi, how much could the book possibly be worth if they are willing to give the 2nd printing away for half price?
Call me cynical... the entirety of the book can be summed up in one simple statement - 1 new toy for the biggest demographic.
Why upgrade the 2 flyers for BT?
BT players are broadly speaking a group of people who would now be either mid to late 20's and financially liquid, or late teens with an income but still at home - those who started with the 1998 3rd edition starter set, or those who started with the 2005 4th edition BT codex. And given the nature of 40k players in general, throw them a bone to ignite the flames of a long neglected, dust collecting box in the cupboard and watch the fire burn anew!
Add a free voucher for the online store and the relapse into plastic addiction is not far away.
And don't for a second think that this is GW hate - they are a very successful multi million pound company with vast market share with a niche product. You dont get to that position by having no idea what you are doing - you get there by knowing your market intimately, and bleeding them dry, and doing it in a way that keeps them coming back for more.
Bravo, GW.
Bravo.
I hope everyone who got the 1st printing is feeling royally rogered right about now.
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2013/02/22 02:01:28
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post, FAQ known about)
While Death from the Skies seems to update flyers in other codices and provide solid access to rules for Dakkajet/Bommer and Sky Talon, Sisters of Battle, who also got the WD treatment, get nothing! Judging from what I've found online (don't have the actual book to verify), I don't see any Figher Ace traits for Sisters of Battle. I don't like where this is headed...
Sisters of Battle, who also got the WD treatment, get nothing!
For nearly 10 years every single time a model range got a new army book and or any new models we had to hear from Dark Eldar players whining that they haven't had a revision (for the record, I own an original DE army and never complained like so many others). Ever since the Dark Eldar finally got their new models and Codex it's always either the Templars or SoB whining with every release. The model range mentioned in the complaining eventually changes over time, but the obsessive gamer behavior pointing out that a certain model range has still not been revised never does. Yes, we know SoB were not updated with this month's release or last month's or the month before that nor did they get anything new at all. Yes we noticed, but thanks for pointing it out once again because who knows, someone might forget for a second.
It seems to me that Death From The Skies is pretty useful, fun and even essential for gaming with certain models now. My complaint would be that anything that essential, especially with official rules for tourneys and the like, should be easily available to all 40K customers and in all the major languages for countries where GW has significant business (e.g., France, Spain, Germany, Netherlands and any other country with their own GW website). In my view GW's big screw-up is in making this seem like a niche product for which there is limited interest. These are essential gaming rules for people using the flyers in the book and should be treated that way in marketing it. Now they've managed to perturb the end users and independent retailers alike.
However, I don't mind waiting an extra couple weeks for my book thanks to the $25 gift voucher they sent me as an apology. In fact, they can mess up all my orders for that kind of rebate every time.
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2013/02/24 09:49:07
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (official information in first post, FAQ known about)
Sisters of Battle, who also got the WD treatment, get nothing!
For nearly 10 years every single time a model range got a new army book and or any new models we had to hear from Dark Eldar players whining that they haven't had a revision (for the record, I own an original DE army and never complained like so many others). Ever since the Dark Eldar finally got their new models and Codex it's always either the Templars or SoB whining with every release. The model range mentioned in the complaining eventually changes over time, but the obsessive gamer behavior pointing out that a certain model range has still not been revised never does. Yes, we know SoB were not updated with this month's release or last month's or the month before that nor did they get anything new at all. Yes we noticed, but thanks for pointing it out once again because who knows, someone might forget for a second. .
Yes and no
You have also got to take into account that not only do some armies receive nothing from the latest release - when it would have been easy to take them from the recent Forgeworld book (or make that completly unofficial) but that we also have Space Marine players "whining" (as you put it) that they do get enough or good ones etc etc. which rubs salt in the wound.
As very many people have said - this is a compeltely missed opportunity to patch a huge and obvious hole in the rules.
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Sisters of Battle, who also got the WD treatment, get nothing!
For nearly 10 years every single time a model range got a new army book and or any new models we had to hear from Dark Eldar players whining that they haven't had a revision (for the record, I own an original DE army and never complained like so many others). Ever since the Dark Eldar finally got their new models and Codex it's always either the Templars or SoB whining with every release. The model range mentioned in the complaining eventually changes over time, but the obsessive gamer behavior pointing out that a certain model range has still not been revised never does. Yes, we know SoB were not updated with this month's release or last month's or the month before that nor did they get anything new at all. Yes we noticed, but thanks for pointing it out once again because who knows, someone might forget for a second.
I beg to differ. Where do you get off labeling players of particular faction as whiners and obsessive gamers? I only want fair treatment for an army that haven't received it in GW's recent "Death from the Skies" release.
Every faction has a flyer, including Sisters of Battle. It's a major oversight for Game Workshop to provide Fighter Ace for everyone except Sisters of Battle. Sisters of Battle do have a flyer. They can take Avenger Strike Fighter as a Heavy Support choice. And before you point out they don't have a flyer in non-FW book, let me point neither does Space Wolves. Space Wolves don't have access to Storm Raven or Storm Talon, but they do have access to FW Storm Eagle. Space Wolves also have Fighter Ace. We all know Games Workshop is prone to making errors in their rule supplements. Perhaps this is another boo boo on their part.
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I think it's far more likely that it has a more ominous meaning for the sisters... GW have said that they won't ever 'Squat' another 40k army - so we know there won't be any danger of every SoB suddenly getting wiped out in a warp storm or something. Instead we are far more likely to see 'death by omission', where an army just doesn't get any releases, any new notifications, and ends up like some kind of drunken bum sat in a cardboard box down an alley, mumbling incoherently about the 'good old days' of metal miniatures and faith points.
Not saying this is the case here (and I'm hoping it isn't!) but the sisters will be missing from that book either through someone's oversight, or deliberately.
Shandara wrote: Another reason is that the SoB rely on Imperial Navy for air support, they don't have their own airforce.
So does the Imperial Guard, but they have two flyers in their codex. There is no reason for them not to have transport from Naval ships to the surface. If the Sisters were going to have the Valkyrie as some have said repeatedly they they would already have it.
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