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Ok, yeah. Thats definitely legally a firearm. And it now seems even more hideously complex than is necessary. Its not a better mousetrap, its just a more complex one.

"Hey, lets force all our magazines to be loaded at the factory instead of giving them reusable magazines they can load in the field with the bullets that we will ship to them!"

Especially since Caseless ammo's main selling point is that its lighter. This fails hard on that level. Total gimmick.

I ordered 3 extra MPX magazines for my MPX directly from Sig. Talked to them on the phone and got a good deal (better than internet retailer price and they were shipped quickly for free).

I had trouble with all 4 (includes the one which came with the gun, all Gen 2). I could not get 30 rounds into them even with a maglula loader. Emailed the tech I had talked to previously and he told me they come with REALLY stiff springs, and to try unloading them and reloading them a couple times. That did the trick.

Never had that happen with new magazines before for any of my other magazine fed firearms. Kind of surprised me.

All the magazines I own were quite stiff when I first got them, but after a few loads they loosened up. Same with the main spring in my 1911 too actually. The first few times I racked the slide it was far tougher than expected, but it got easier almost immediately.

Must be a quirk of spring physics or something.

My wife's Kimber 9mm had (single stack) magazines which were a bitch to load, but I was always able to get them to capacity. These had me worried. Never had an issue with my Glock magazines (double stack like the MPX). Never had an issue with the many many rifle magazines I have.

These kicked my butt though.

 CptJake wrote:
I ordered 3 extra MPX magazines for my MPX directly from Sig. Talked to them on the phone and got a good deal (better than internet retailer price and they were shipped quickly for free).

I had trouble with all 4 (includes the one which came with the gun, all Gen 2). I could not get 30 rounds into them even with a maglula loader. Emailed the tech I had talked to previously and he told me they come with REALLY stiff springs, and to try unloading them and reloading them a couple times. That did the trick.

Never had that happen with new magazines before for any of my other magazine fed firearms. Kind of surprised me.

I totally had that happen as well, but with the factory mags for my 9mm. Without using the uplula I think I still can't get that 12th round in there,

The Wilson Combat mags for my 1911 were pretty stiff as well (though not as bad).

 Ouze wrote:
OK, now I see where the disconnect is.

No, the blocks are full of gunpowder. There is a single line in the article alluding to this; the video makes it more apparent.

Spoiler:

So the blocks are essentially a combination magazine and chamber.

I would agree that a 100% electrically driven gun, a railgun, would not fall under any firearms legislation that exists. This is just an electronically fired hammer though, functionally - that's what I think they mean by "2mm of movement".

This is why I'm saying I think that ROF is bs (or true, but stripping out the context to make it a lie of omission).

I believe their system can fire electrical impulses that fast, I bet you can even drop and reset an electronically driven firing pin that fast, but I do not believe you can feed those ammo blocks through the firearm that fast; you would need to somehow actuate 50 of those 5 round blocks through the gun on one second.

I'm no evil scientist, but if the ammo uses an electronic primer would there be a way of using an electronic pulse of some sort to just have your entire ammo supply go off all at once?

 CptJake wrote:
I ordered 3 extra MPX magazines for my MPX directly from Sig. Talked to them on the phone and got a good deal (better than internet retailer price and they were shipped quickly for free).

I had trouble with all 4 (includes the one which came with the gun, all Gen 2). I could not get 30 rounds into them even with a maglula loader. Emailed the tech I had talked to previously and he told me they come with REALLY stiff springs, and to try unloading them and reloading them a couple times. That did the trick.

Never had that happen with new magazines before for any of my other magazine fed firearms. Kind of surprised me.

I knew the MPX gen 1 mags had issues, but thats weird. Hopefully they work out just fine after some break on. Have you had a chance to do some shooting yet?


The Scorpion Evo had some issues with early import mags cracking in a batch, but the US made ones are fantastic thus far, and cheap.

 d-usa wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
OK, now I see where the disconnect is.

No, the blocks are full of gunpowder. There is a single line in the article alluding to this; the video makes it more apparent.

Spoiler:

So the blocks are essentially a combination magazine and chamber.

I would agree that a 100% electrically driven gun, a railgun, would not fall under any firearms legislation that exists. This is just an electronically fired hammer though, functionally - that's what I think they mean by "2mm of movement".

This is why I'm saying I think that ROF is bs (or true, but stripping out the context to make it a lie of omission).

I believe their system can fire electrical impulses that fast, I bet you can even drop and reset an electronically driven firing pin that fast, but I do not believe you can feed those ammo blocks through the firearm that fast; you would need to somehow actuate 50 of those 5 round blocks through the gun on one second.

I'm no evil scientist, but if the ammo uses an electronic primer would there be a way of using an electronic pulse of some sort to just have your entire ammo supply go off all at once?

In theory yes. An EMP from, say, a nuke could set them off.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 d-usa wrote:


I'm no evil scientist, but if the ammo uses an electronic primer would there be a way of using an electronic pulse of some sort to just have your entire ammo supply go off all at once?

In theory yes. An EMP from, say, a nuke could set them off.

It looks like the ammunition still fires off a standard type of primer, it's just struck by what IIRC they call electromagnetic actuators which just sounds like a fancy way of describing a firing pin struck by or connected to a relay of some sort rather than fired by an electric current so they should be no more susceptible to EMP or exposure to a live current or static discharge causing a mass detonation than current ammunition.

All things considered it's really still a fairly conventional gun in a lot of respects. The trigger mechanism is electromagnetic-mechanical rather than purely mechanical but still seems to rely on the time-honoured method of a firing pin striking a primer, the difference being that if your battery runs out it doesn't matter how much ammunition you have left, it doesn't even look like you could use it as a bolt-action in an emergency. The ammunition despite appearances is essentially not much different from the cartridge-primer-bullet-propellant ammunition that's been the norm since the 19th century, even the multi-shot aspect isn't all that innovative since it's been used in naval firearms dating back to the age of sailing ships and flintlocks. The rate of fire sounds good from an armchair-soldier's point of view (And to be clear here I definitely count myself in that category), but even then really once you go much above the 600-900 rpm all it really means in practical terms is that you're using up your ammunition quicker, so you have to carry more or be resupplied much more frequently.

So I just bought a Firefield PU SVT-40 scope to put on my Mosin. Can't wait till it gets here.

 Grey Templar wrote:
So I just bought a Firefield PU SVT-40 scope to put on my Mosin. Can't wait till it gets here.

Hopefully mounting isnt too bad, IIRC PU and other such scopes require some fitting/shims to mount and zero. Get some pics up when you get it!

Yeah. It looks like I will have to drill 2 holes in the receiver and cut a notch into the wood. It mounts directly to the sidewall of the receiver.

In other news, I also got my reloading station put together. Loaded 50 rounds. Overcrimped the first two but I got the hang of it after that.

Yeah, I'm super glad 1913 rails are a thing now, old school optics mounting sucked

I wish I had room for a reloading bench, loading anything cool?

 Grey Templar wrote:
In other news, I also got my reloading station put together. Loaded 50 rounds. Overcrimped the first two but I got the hang of it after that.

That's good to hear. I keep going back and forth in my mind about whether or not I want to get into it: do I shoot enough to make it worth it, do I want to clear out a spot in my house for yet another hobby, etc etc. I keep landing just shy of doing it, but who knows what tomorrow will bring.

My dad was into reloading, back when he was young and hunted a lot. His bear, bobcat, and mountain lion rugs adorn his basement. He even updated all his equipment about 10 years ago but hardly uses any of it. He still has over 100 pounds of assorted grades of powder.

I know he has all the stuff to do 12 gauge, 22-250, 30-30, 300 Winchester Mag, 357 mag, 44 mag, .308 and a few others.

Thinking of sweet talking him into letting me use his stuff to reload. Admittedly I'm a total noob at this concept. Many of the calibers I want to reload he likely doesn't have the stuff for (.556, 7.62x39, 9mm, 40 S&W.). I'd just need a set of dyes for each of those, right?

 Ouze wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
In other news, I also got my reloading station put together. Loaded 50 rounds. Overcrimped the first two but I got the hang of it after that.

That's good to hear. I keep going back and forth in my mind about whether or not I want to get into it: do I shoot enough to make it worth it, do I want to clear out a spot in my house for yet another hobby, etc etc. I keep landing just shy of doing it, but who knows what tomorrow will bring.

After having set it up, it definitely seems worth it. And its way easier than it seems at first glance.

I'm not saving money if I'm comparing to cheap surplus 7.62x39, but I am saving about 50 cents a round if I compare it to the higher quality US made stuff(assuming I get 3 reloads per casing). And I'll definitely be saving money once I get my 7.62x54 die.

The whole setup was about $400. I bought a Lee anniversary kit, die set, case trimming gauges, and calipers. Screwed the press to a wooden sawhorse so its portable and easily put away.


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 cuda1179 wrote:
My dad was into reloading, back when he was young and hunted a lot. His bear, bobcat, and mountain lion rugs adorn his basement. He even updated all his equipment about 10 years ago but hardly uses any of it. He still has over 100 pounds of assorted grades of powder.

I know he has all the stuff to do 12 gauge, 22-250, 30-30, 300 Winchester Mag, 357 mag, 44 mag, .308 and a few others.

Thinking of sweet talking him into letting me use his stuff to reload. Admittedly I'm a total noob at this concept. Many of the calibers I want to reload he likely doesn't have the stuff for (.556, 7.62x39, 9mm, 40 S&W.). I'd just need a set of dyes for each of those, right?

Pretty much. All you'd need is die sets and case length gauges for the desired calibers so you can trim the spent casings to the correct length. Plus load data of course.

Good to know. Once you get the hang of stuff, and get efficient, I wonder how many rounds you can make per hour?


On a related note, a shooting range in my brother's town has a rule that forbids you from picking up any of you spent brass. Personally, I feel that's one of the gakkiest rules I've ever heard of.

The price of brass has gone up hand in hand with copper. Odds are they care cashing out on it.

I wan't to get into reloading, but I don't shoot as often as I used to, so I'm weary of throwing the upfront cost into it. One day I'll make it worth while.

I treated myself to a Dillon 550b, it makes reloading much less of a chore

Clearly, Cuda, that just means that you have to put a brass-catcher on your gun, or a big funnel or something. Then you're not picking up the brass, you're just picking up the bucket!

Because, yeah, that's actually kinda theft. You paid for the shells, you get to keep what's left of the shells. They wanna sell scrap, they can dig spent rounds out of the burms.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
No kill like overkill eh?

There are three things you can never be:

Too Rich,

Too Good Looking.

Too Heavily Armed.

I respectfully disagree Don't stand out, it creates complications.

Thats a terrible rule. The couple ranges I've been to have forbidden picking up other people's spent brass, but your own is a bit lame.

Though if they've worded it as "Pick-up" then if you have a brass catcher you can weedle your way out of that

 LumenPraebeo wrote:


I respectfully disagree Don't stand out, it creates complications.

I'm trying, and not really succeeding at picturing a complication that cannot be solved by being too rich, too good looking, or too heavily armed.

There are plenty of instances. You're just making yourself a target sometimes. Money-chasing women, the jealous criminal elements...and depending on your defintion of heavily armed - are you making yourself the first target in a room of targets?

So far as brass catchers, I have tried 2 models:



There is a kind that mounts directly on the rifle. It can either mount directly to the rail, or it uses velcro straps to wrap around it. The plus for this is that it's convenient. The downside is that I have found that ejected shells can sometimes bounce off the roof or inside of the bag and back into the action, causing stovepipe jams. I ditched this one pretty fast.



The other kind is a big net basket, a "universal brass catcher". This kind I like a lot more. It has threading on the bottom for a tripod, but I usually just put it on the bench as depicted here. The downside is it won't catch every single shell if you move your rifle around, but in my experience it will catch 90+ percent of them.

Obviously a range with a rule prohibiting you from picking up your brass is going to kick you out for using either of these but since it came up seemed worth mentioning.While I don't reload yet, I do shoot at an open to the public unmanned range, and as a former boy scout I do not leave a bunch of trash behind me.

This sounds silly, but one of the things I like to do is take "trash" guns and put quality parts into them.

I have a Mosin Nagant that has 95% new parts, including a Timney trigger. I have a knock-off Remington 800 shotgun that I got for $129 brand new (sale price plus internet coupon) that I put new Remington parts into. I have a Mossberg AR that has a handful of upgrades.

It's kind of fun to make "cheap" guns much more reliable and functional. It's also a hoot to let someone shoot your discount isle POS and have it perform like a champ.

Anyone else do this, or am I just weird?

Is that like the firearm version of putting spoilers and a turbo on your Honda Civic?

The facebook gun groups refer to this as "Bubba no".

LOL, no other way around. Man I hate Tapco.

To use D-usa's analogy, this is more like taking an entry level Honda civic, putting in leather seats, premium sound system, tasteful but premium rims, and a full instrument cluster.

Speaking of gun mods and upgrades. I upgraded my recoil tube for my Benelli SBE to the stainless Sure Cycle recoil tube this off duck season. The old boy was slowing down and not cycling like it did 20+ duck seasons ago. Thing works like a dream