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ah, my bad, I misunderstood, in that case we have got the same!

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I have a question, from a thread discussing Lasguns.

How much does a standard, NATO 5.56, fully loaded magazine weigh? I’ve got the weight of the round at 12g from Google, but the rest is a bit too “it depends”.

A bit over a pound each, depending on mag type and specific round (30 rounds in the mag).

*Does some mental translation* so about half a kilo.

So a combat load of 7 mags is about 3.5kg.

You get 7 mags?!?

Not all of us. I got three mags and 6 belts.

To be fair, exercices where we got our fuul load were few and far between. Most of the time, we'd actually take to any training field with maximum 4 magzines total, plus 1 for pistols that were intended as safety weapons during the exercices.

 Grey Templar wrote:
410 is the lightweight one. No reason either couldn't cycle a gun made for them. I think its more lack of interest than it being difficult to engineer.

My great grandfather actually used a .410 pistol for self defense, but mostly as a back up for a pair of .38 revolvers. His take on it was to 'clear a path to the door'.

 BaronIveagh wrote:


'clear a path to the door'.

Sounds like a great one indeed!

 Just Tony wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I have a question, from a thread discussing Lasguns.

How much does a standard, NATO 5.56, fully loaded magazine weigh? I’ve got the weight of the round at 12g from Google, but the rest is a bit too “it depends”.

A bit over a pound each, depending on mag type and specific round (30 rounds in the mag).

*Does some mental translation* so about half a kilo.

So a combat load of 7 mags is about 3.5kg.

You get 7 mags?!?

Not all of us. I got three mags and 6 belts.

1 20 mag and another 3 20 mags...for 80 bullets but then again i'd rather have a STGW 90 for precision than an M platform but then again humans are habitual creatures

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I have a question, from a thread discussing Lasguns.

How much does a standard, NATO 5.56, fully loaded magazine weigh? I’ve got the weight of the round at 12g from Google, but the rest is a bit too “it depends”.

A bit over a pound each, depending on mag type and specific round (30 rounds in the mag).

*Does some mental translation* so about half a kilo.

So a combat load of 7 mags is about 3.5kg.

You get 7 mags?!?

Not all of us. I got three mags and 6 belts.

1 20 mag and another 3 20 mags...for 80 bullets but then again i'd rather have a STGW 90 for precision than an M platform but then again humans are habitual creatures

To be fair I was a machine gunner, so the mags were for my sidearm. 1911 when I was an M60 gunner, and Beretta M9 when I was a 240B gunner.

How much ammo were you supposed to carry for your support weapons? It has all been changed around now for the UK section, dropping the two Minimi and one of the sharpshooter rifles for a GPMG, bit from memory a section is meant to carry around 2000 rounds for the GPMG.

The_Real_Chris wrote:
How much ammo were you supposed to carry for your support weapons? It has all been changed around now for the UK section, dropping the two Minimi and one of the sharpshooter rifles for a GPMG, bit from memory a section is meant to carry around 2000 rounds for the GPMG.

I had 6 belts on my person, but the ammo bearer had a rucksack that was full. Never bothered to count.

 Just Tony wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:
How much ammo were you supposed to carry for your support weapons? It has all been changed around now for the UK section, dropping the two Minimi and one of the sharpshooter rifles for a GPMG, bit from memory a section is meant to carry around 2000 rounds for the GPMG.

I had 6 belts on my person, but the ammo bearer had a rucksack that was full. Never bothered to count.

Was that enough? Because over here squad MG' gunners and ammo carriers usually start begging for more ammo ASAP in excercises

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:
How much ammo were you supposed to carry for your support weapons? It has all been changed around now for the UK section, dropping the two Minimi and one of the sharpshooter rifles for a GPMG, bit from memory a section is meant to carry around 2000 rounds for the GPMG.

I had 6 belts on my person, but the ammo bearer had a rucksack that was full. Never bothered to count.

Was that enough? Because over here squad MG' gunners and ammo carriers usually start begging for more ammo ASAP in excercises

It depended on a mission. If we were laying an ambush? Then we'd probably neutralize enough targets to have ammo left. Movement to contact? Supporting fire on a fixed objective? Absolutely not. We'd have enough to finish that fight and need immediate resupply.




I always loved the look on my First Sergeant's face when I asked him why they couldn't put a bayonet lug on the M60...

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:
How much ammo were you supposed to carry for your support weapons? It has all been changed around now for the UK section, dropping the two Minimi and one of the sharpshooter rifles for a GPMG, bit from memory a section is meant to carry around 2000 rounds for the GPMG.

I had 6 belts on my person, but the ammo bearer had a rucksack that was full. Never bothered to count.

Was that enough? Because over here squad MG' gunners and ammo carriers usually start begging for more ammo ASAP in excercises

Also, unsure how it is for you over there, here, they're bloody stingy with ammo on exercises, and you never carry even close to first line.

 Farseer Anath'lan wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:
How much ammo were you supposed to carry for your support weapons? It has all been changed around now for the UK section, dropping the two Minimi and one of the sharpshooter rifles for a GPMG, bit from memory a section is meant to carry around 2000 rounds for the GPMG.

I had 6 belts on my person, but the ammo bearer had a rucksack that was full. Never bothered to count.

Was that enough? Because over here squad MG' gunners and ammo carriers usually start begging for more ammo ASAP in excercises

Also, unsure how it is for you over there, here, they're bloody stingy with ammo on exercises, and you never carry even close to first line.

Na, not really, it mostly ammounts to our MG's begging the tankers / apc for more ammo.

Right, finally got around to tackle that little 22 single shot. Srated by fixing the recess that was filed in the barrel, and by modifying the handle to better suit my lefthandedness...


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Also got to fixing the ramp that seals the chamber and ejects the case, because it was bent, off center, and had a crack I needed to weld. I suspect it'll need some more adjusting when I put everything back together again, but that'll be in some time already. Next up, soldering of the sights and rebluing of the barrel. Trying to find something I'll be able to seal both ends of the barrel with though as I plan on using, as usual, vinegar bath.

How strong is the wield? Do you have to grind afterwards to get the finish?

The weld is actually mostly just filling up the gap, and indeed, I made sure to be quick and used a below average power setting to make sure I won't go though the barrel.

So, while the weld itself is nothing truly hard and just about pouring filler rod in and spreading it nicely, two thing were to take into acoount:

no wrapping the barrel. I cut 2 brass holders in a used case and clamped the barrel mad tight. I smeared heatproof paste liberally around the weld. Finally, I made it cool progressively, lightly warming it up from time to time using a torch. Then waited an hour and a half or so for it to be cooled down before setting it free.

As far as I can tell, it hasn't warped!

Afterward, I ground the excess material with a file, first to a flat, then making a round motion, until all traces of the weld had desappeared. Finally, I used finer and finer grit sand paper to smooth it up a bit, but I'll have to solder stuff yt so didn't go for full preparation before rebluing!

Quite comprehesnive explication of what I did, but I hope you find that interesting to learn about!

Besides, I used standard industry copper coated mild steel rod, ntohing fancy. I hope it will hold up to rust bluing good enough.

My "new" purchase:

British Percussion musket P1842, made in 1843. In amazing condition for its age!

Now that's a beauty.

Wow! Shot it?

LordofHats wrote:Now that's a beauty.

Cheers

Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:Wow! Shot it?

Not yet, British rules are a bit weird, as it is not rifled it has to go on a "shotgun certificate" which I do not yet have...

Seems like your rules are even weirder than ours on the other side of the channel then! Let us know how it's like when you get some fun with it pal!

I just saw something....interesting. They called it the 1911 Super Long Slide. It's a Colt 1911, but with a 16 inch barrel and slide chambered in .460 Rowland. They were getting 1400 feet per second with 230 grain ammo. Unwieldy, but at least it packs a punch. Might be able to use it for boar/deer hunting in pistol season.

Given the patchwork of laws you have to contend with, would that fall afoul of any in any state? What about with a brace or stock?

The_Real_Chris wrote:
Given the patchwork of laws you have to contend with, would that fall afoul of any in any state? What about with a brace or stock?

Well, it's still a pistol at this point. If the barrel is actually 16 inches and not "15.99 inches, but we just say 16", then you could put a stock on it and say it's a rifle.

Yeah, its weird.

Rifles vs pistols are defined by if you are meant to use it shouldered or not shouldered. Pistols barrel length doesn't matter, what matters is them not having a stock. Rifles have stocks and if the barrel length is less than 16 inches they are Short Barrel Rifles and have to be registered.

If you have a pistol brace instead of a stock you can call it a Pistol instead of a rifle and not have to register it. But you can't have foregrips on it. Then it becomes an AOW

Nice looking musket, and that is a nice looking weld on the .22!

The_Real_Chris wrote:
Given the patchwork of laws you have to contend with, would that fall afoul of any in any state? What about with a brace or stock?

I think it would be illegal to buy in California with their strict roster of handguns that can be legally purchased. It seems like you could buy one of the 1911s on the list and change the slide later, I don't live in CA.

You could make it legally a rifle by adding a stock, but you probably wouldn't as it is just a standard 1911 frame with a gigantic slide attached, with nowhere to grip it with your support hand. They do make 1911 carbine kits without that disadvantage.

Nationally, if you buy a rifle and want to make it into a pistol, you have to register it to turn it into a "weapon made from a rifle". If you buy a pistol or just a receiver, you can later make those into 16"+ barrel rifles without them becoming NFA guns.

The super long slide 1911 is interesting but seems like more of a novelty. While in theory a longer barrel, longer site radius and a heavier gun all translate into better inherent accuracy, the balance and the enormous amount of reciprocating mass probably cancels that out on the practical accuracy side. Is it better than a traditional hunting handgun with similar ballistic performance (.44 Ruger Blackhawk etc)? I tend to doubt it. It might be cheaper if you already have a 1911 though, and its still pretty cool.

Yeah, in CA you couldn't buy that 1911 as is, but you could buy one of the other 1911s which are on the roster and then replace the barrel and slide.

 Slinky wrote:

Not yet, British rules are a bit weird, as it is not rifled it has to go on a "shotgun certificate" which I do not yet have...

One of the reasons I have never given in to the temptation to move there.

I have to ask, why the square nut on the hammer screw? Is that normal for this model or was the screw or hammer replaced at some point?

 BaronIveagh wrote:

I have to ask, why the square nut on the hammer screw? Is that normal for this model or was the screw or hammer replaced at some point?

Yeah, that's normal. I took the hammer screw off to show people on a different forum, as it's a point of interest for the P1842 - at some point in production they changed from a square shaft on the tumbler to a round one secured by a separate pin.

 Slinky wrote:

Yeah, that's normal. I took the hammer screw off to show people on a different forum, as it's a point of interest for the P1842 - at some point in production they changed from a square shaft on the tumbler to a round one secured by a separate pin.

Ok,. I just wondered. Usually when I see that on US made muskets it means they had to replace the screw and couldn't get one that matched, so they'ed use a nut or washer to tighten it up.