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I never asked, but their range consists of man-made hills with hard material as a flat surface to tack your targets onto. I'd assume FMJs (and steel core, they don't allow those) would tear up the range. That pretty much restricts me to buying the more expensive 7.62x39 ammo, which I'm not against, but it's somewhat upsetting.
When is deadly danger,
When beset by doubt,
Run in little circles,
And wave your hands and shout.
Do some testing if you can shoot somewhere else. you may find that some of the FMJ is made with very frangible lead. Then bring your evidence to whomever runs the range. For a test media you can line up old telephone books, or encyclopedias. I haven't done any InsurgencyWalker style box of truth with various 7.62x39 ammo however I have been surprised but what I have seen with many other @.30 cal ammo I have messed about with. They may tell you to take a hike, they may make an exception.
any range that disallowed full metal jacket is run by people who dont know what they are talking about...
not only is it the most common ammo, it wont degrade backstops any more then anything else would...
complaining about FMJ .223 or 7.62 is rediculous when you consider how much "damage" a 30 06 or 452 casul will do to the back stop, even if its HP or soft point.
steel core can damage equiptmeent that holds up targets or richochet worse off steel targets so thats a legit concern for ranges,
but standard FMJ???
sounds like someone is trying to appease the wrong crowd with bad range rules.
Again, I said I assumed that was the deal with it. Lead contamination is more likely I suppose. I'm not up to telling the range owners what they can and cannot do or enforce on their land.
Any info on the Century Arms C39 sporter model?
When is deadly danger,
When beset by doubt,
Run in little circles,
And wave your hands and shout.
thats 99.9999% of all ammo thats banned, for... reasons that dont make sense...
lead contamination isnt a valid concern etiher, so im not sure why either.
we have had a few ranges up here convert to "frangable only" ammo, mostly due to pressure from anti gun groups.
the ranges that switch usually find there membership dwindle and then close down due to lacking $,
if they are really anal about it though, you can actually make wax projectiles for pistols, fairly cheap actually.
other then that, not many options for you,
wish I could help more,
I know there are some pure copper projectiles, but they are just as expensive as the frangible crap.
as for the sporter model, I have heard good things about it, generally all the AK family stuff is pretty good, if you can get a chezch smal arms sporter they are pretty good as well, and benifit from milled parts instead of all stamped parts and have a better safety/bolt then standard AK's while retaining all the durability and reliability of the AK.
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Well, for now I settled on a cheaper, unused M57 Tokarev from an online retailer. I also ordered 100 JHP cartridges as well as an extra magazine. The AK can come next year when I get my tax return.
If anyone's interested, I'll post some data when I get some range time with it.
When is deadly danger,
When beset by doubt,
Run in little circles,
And wave your hands and shout.
So I have been denied the ability to make my dinosaur hunting gun. Technical reason: Head instructor doesn't want me investing the time required to open the standard bolt face up to a .458 Win Mag. It's doable, but again time and effort required aren't worth it in his mind. So I can select any round that fits a "standard" bolt face (vs. say a magnum bolt face). So since the bolt came set up for a .30-06 I'm doing a .338-06. A .338-06 is a necked up .30-06 cartridge that now rolls deep with a .338 round. It has INCREDIBLE ballistics, it's hit point at 300 yards is LITERALLY a straight line from point of origin. That's fething insane.
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KalashnikovMarine wrote: So I have been denied the ability to make my dinosaur hunting gun. Technical reason: Head instructor doesn't want me investing the time required to open the standard bolt face up to a .458 Win Mag. It's doable, but again time and effort required aren't worth it in his mind. So I can select any round that fits a "standard" bolt face (vs. say a magnum bolt face). So since the bolt came set up for a .30-06 I'm doing a .338-06. A .338-06 is a necked up .30-06 cartridge that now rolls deep with a .338 round. It has INCREDIBLE ballistics, it's hit point at 300 yards is LITERALLY a straight line from point of origin. That's fething insane.
If you're hunting Dinosaurs, consider the McMillan FatMac. When I hunt a Tyrannosaur, i want a 20mm necked down to .50 cal.
Just to be sure.
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I got me a PT111 G2. I like the 1911 but it's just too damn heavy and bulky. I can conceal it but I have to dress for it.
12 rounds of 9mm, 3.25" barrel. I'm not a ballistics expert but in my lay opinion, a Speer Gold Dot 9mm +P JHP is probably good enough.
Taurus has a historically poor reputation, but I think that's no longer as deserved as it once was. I think they generally make pretty good guns now, and I really like their ergonomics. I shot a lot of subcompacts trying to pick a dedicated CCW gun and as always, the Taurus just... feels right to me.
The biggest complaint a lot of reviews had was the safety, but that's actually not a problem on the one I got, flips up and down no problem, no abnormal stiffness. The slide release... that's a different story. I'm hoping that will loosen up a bit in time but it's acceptable as is.
It has has a tactical rail, which is nice. The only thing I have left to decide is if I should go with a bayonet or a bipod for it.
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This is an Aimpoint ML3 but I need a Night Vision-compatible aiming solution, so I ordered Streamlight's TLR-2 IRW. The Aimpoint is there for shooting indoors or during day time...most of the time I'll be hip shooting this thing with the laser through my PVS-14.
Check out some of the ballistics data on barrel lengths. There are some significant changes in velocity from 10.5" to 11.5" if you're using 5.56.
FWIW, if you're thinking of dropping the hammer on a pistol with the Sig Brace, I can tell you that it's literally a 6 month shortcut to an SBR. The thing runs 99% as well as a SBR without the NFA headache.
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NuggzTheNinja wrote: Check out some of the ballistics data on barrel lengths. There are some significant changes in velocity from 10.5" to 11.5" if you're using 5.56.
FWIW, if you're thinking of dropping the hammer on a pistol with the Sig Brace, I can tell you that it's literally a 6 month shortcut to an SBR. The thing runs 99% as well as a SBR without the NFA headache.
Thanks for the tip about the ballistics info, I'll read up on it.
And I have to go with the Sig brace - Iowa bans all NFA items
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NuggzTheNinja wrote: Check out some of the ballistics data on barrel lengths. There are some significant changes in velocity from 10.5" to 11.5" if you're using 5.56.
FWIW, if you're thinking of dropping the hammer on a pistol with the Sig Brace, I can tell you that it's literally a 6 month shortcut to an SBR. The thing runs 99% as well as a SBR without the NFA headache.
Thanks for the tip about the ballistics info, I'll read up on it.
And I have to go with the Sig brace - Iowa bans all NFA items
Had it set up like this the other night but I do prefer the AFG. Note that the grip is legal as the OAL is greater than 26".
I would get an AR in a heartbeat if I didn't live in California and didn't care for the whole pistol AR thing.
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The CA thing is a dealbreaker...the whole pistol thing is really just a way of building a short barreled AR15 without waiting 6 months for your NFA paperwork to clear. The Sig Brace makes it pretty much just as usable as a real SBR.
NuggzTheNinja wrote: 1" can make a difference of over 500 fps which is a big deal when we're talking about a round that reeeeeally needs to fragment to do its job.
That is... cray cray. I never would have imagined that would be so abrupt.
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NuggzTheNinja wrote: 1" can make a difference of over 500 fps which is a big deal when we're talking about a round that reeeeeally needs to fragment to do its job.
That is... cray cray. I never would have imagined that would be so abrupt.
Right? Between 11.5" and 14.5" it's pretty much a wash, but 10.3 to 11.5 and it's night and day.
It really makes me rethink AR15s over 11.5". A full-length 20" barrel is only gaining a couple hundred FPS over 11.5" and in terms of barrel length it's almost twice as long. Seems like anything over 11.5" and you might as well just step up to a bigger caliber as most of the powder burns off in the first 11.5" anyway.
From a civilian POV, 11.5" barrels help get your AR15 pistol up to an overall length of greater than 26", which allows you to mount vertical foregrips on it if you want (since it's no longer a "pistol" but a "firearm")
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And a new picture because my TLR-2 IRW just came in. This little module is MEAN. 1 mW IR laser and a white light in one small package. The light is ~300 lumens so it's not a total face melter...you can still use it indoors but it's useful out to reasonable night time outdoor ranges.
Went for a walk last night in the woods...at 25 yards the bloom isn't awful but I was able to lase houses about 100 meters out easy. I expect this thing to perform to about 200m reliably as long as there's not too much ambient light, and/or you aren't using an IR illuminator.
Speaking of IR illuminators, I'll need to grab one of those soon.
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Speaking of ARs, has much came out about the new recoil system that Jim Sullivan is working on? I'd think it'd be of interest to AR owners in that he said that he's been wanting to go back to the design for years to sort out some critical flaws with it. Seeing a rifle with his changes fired in comparison to a regular AR really shows the difference in the barrel lift, though well that's perhaps not saying much given how small a round the thing's firing in the first place. Ah, given how much people have forked out for their existing guns though buying one that's just more of the same but better might not be the best excuse when talking to the wife perhaps.
Hey I wasn't saying that he was on the ball with any of his personal thoughts. He seemed a bit like a third wheel when talking about his involvement with the AR to me. Someone's hired him to make these changes though, even if its just for publicity.
Here's the video. The comparison's at 10:00. I would note that the RPM's lower on Sullivan's gun.
I'll be curious to see an actual review of his gun rather than the snippets that the company's allowing at the moment (the mechanism might be proprietary but that means feth all once someone can give a proper look at it). Like I said, he's a name for some marketing, and I doubt any of his changes will be taken up outside of the civilian market (like hell the US Military's replacing a load of guns with the same thing when they could be upgrading or doing their usual thing of just sticking with what they have).
Frankly though I'd rather have the moderised FG 42 the same site looked into than that AR any day (though well I'm a little biased against 5.56 automatics).
So basically he's cut the cyclic rate almost in half. It might be too late to tell Sullivan that nobody in the West fires his M4 in anger on full auto.
I own a Rem 700 chambered in 7mm rem mag-no optics yet the ziess will come soon..otherwise i have a rem 870 12 gauge which is old reliable...i maintain my firearms like its religon..they are stored unloaded and away from ammo, although i have stashes of various rounds around the house in case home defense comes into the day to day scenerio
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