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 Frazzled wrote:
Do they actually have made in the USA on them? When I bought my first M&P they were stil aryan uber gunz.

I actually prefer their grip angle, but stainless when available is almost a deal breaker for me due to the climate. Else there's not a lot of dfference.

They've made glocks here for a while now, but at some point in 2013 Glock stopped or at least diminished Austrian made glock import into the U.S. because the EPA threw a bitch fit over Glock's ferritic nitrocarburizing protocol. Long story short: if you buy a Gen4, it's probably made in the U.S.. As far as I understand, anyway. Could be entirely wrong: I'm not exactly a big glock guy, so I don't exactly keep up on them.

Coolio. PLus 10 internetz for spelling "ferritic nitrocarburizing protocol."

 Frazzled wrote:
Do they actually have made in the USA on them? When I bought my first M&P they were stil aryan uber gunz.

I actually prefer their grip angle, but stainless when available is almost a deal breaker for me due to the climate. Else there's not a lot of dfference.

yeah I love the M&P...


stainless steel slide is a god send, so much snow, and it gets cold so a hot gun tends to grab some condensation, which can then freeze!

the M&P's is my favorite hand gun though, just so ergonomic, accurate, never had any issues with it either.

Well I have a CZ.45 that I use for sport shooting and home defense. I have a tarus slim 9mm that i use for CCW and personal protection, and I have a remington 700 30.06 that I use for target shooting, and will use to pluck off looters during the next major riot where someone thinks that looting private residences will be okay.

 Supertony51 wrote:
I have a tarus slim 9mm that i use for CCW and personal protection

Is it a PT111? I have one of those and I like it a lot.

Frazz you realize the XD line is made in Turkey right?

 Ouze wrote:

 Supertony51 wrote:
I have a tarus slim 9mm that i use for CCW and personal protection

Is it a PT111? I have one of those and I like it a lot.

Yep, good call.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Frazz you realize the XD line is made in Turkey right?

Turkey makes a variety of weapons, some with good reputations. XD is not one of them.

XDM is made in Croatia. Its da former Kommies!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Armory_XDM

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 Supertony51 wrote:
Well I have a CZ.45 that I use for sport shooting and home defense. I have a tarus slim 9mm that i use for CCW and personal protection, and I have a remington 700 30.06 that I use for target shooting, and will use to pluck off looters during the next major riot where someone thinks that looting private residences will be okay.

Did you get the recall on that 700? They recalled a bunch over the triggers.

Anybody try the XD Mod 2 yet?

I think you're gonna like it

It points more naturally and the grip is something you have to feel for yourself. Throw in the fiber optic front sight and winner winner!!

 Frazzled wrote:

XDM is made in Croatia. Its da former Kommies!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Armory_XDM

On the bright side, the guide rod acts as a standoff device so you don't click out of battery while you're pressing the barrel against the heads of innocent Serb women and children.

M&Ps are awesome. I have a 45c and Shield that I carry. Comfortable to shoot, comfortable to wear, reliable, accurate and look great for a "plastic fantastic".

XD: When you need an overpriced piece of plastic for removal of kebab, trust Springfield!

 Spacemanvic wrote:
Anybody try the XD Mod 2 yet?

I think you're gonna like it

It points more naturally and the grip is something you have to feel for yourself. Throw in the fiber optic front sight and winner winner!!

It's alright. I shot it a while back, and I'm not a huge XDM fan so I wouldn't buy it, but if I were, I would.

 Ouze wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:
Anybody try the XD Mod 2 yet?

I think you're gonna like it

It points more naturally and the grip is something you have to feel for yourself. Throw in the fiber optic front sight and winner winner!!

It's alright. I shot it a while back, and I'm not a huge XDM fan so I wouldn't buy it, but if I were, I would.

The XD Mod2 is a followup to the XD, not the XDm. I thought the XDm was too thick for EDC, so Im not a big fan of the XDm either. That said, the grips of the XD Mod2 are entirely different to the XD, making for a better feel IMHO. We sold out our first shipment of XD Mod2 in about 5 days.

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:
Anybody try the XD Mod 2 yet?

I think you're gonna like it

It points more naturally and the grip is something you have to feel for yourself. Throw in the fiber optic front sight and winner winner!!

It's alright. I shot it a while back, and I'm not a huge XDM fan so I wouldn't buy it, but if I were, I would.

The XD Mod2 is a followup to the XD, not the XDm. I thought the XDm was too thick for EDC, so Im not a big fan of the XDm either. That said, the grips of the XD Mod2 are entirely different to the XD, making for a better feel IMHO. We sold out our first shipment of XD Mod2 in about 5 days.

Do they still have that god awful texturing on the back of the grip? I've had friends who bought the original and, from what I understand, it had a bad habit of rubbing you raw if you IWB carried.

EDIT: Not a bad looking grip. Good change.

 Frazzled wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
yeah... Id take the sig over a glock any day of the week.

Love me some polymers, but glocks always feel like this to me

I have nothing against Glocks. Glock fanbois are a different story.

My preference of M&P vs. Glock:
*Stainless barrel and parts.
*Made in USA.
thats it. Nearly everything else is modifiable for either of them. If I had to carry it as a duty piece without modification at the same price point I'd get an XDM.

I felt the same way until I shot it. Glocks are Fhuggleee. But their triggers are sweet. They are the Buttaface of the gun world.

The only thing uglier: Hi Point.




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 Stonebeard wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:
Anybody try the XD Mod 2 yet?

I think you're gonna like it

It points more naturally and the grip is something you have to feel for yourself. Throw in the fiber optic front sight and winner winner!!

It's alright. I shot it a while back, and I'm not a huge XDM fan so I wouldn't buy it, but if I were, I would.

The XD Mod2 is a followup to the XD, not the XDm. I thought the XDm was too thick for EDC, so Im not a big fan of the XDm either. That said, the grips of the XD Mod2 are entirely different to the XD, making for a better feel IMHO. We sold out our first shipment of XD Mod2 in about 5 days.

Do they still have that god awful texturing on the back of the grip? I've had friends who bought the original and, from what I understand, it had a bad habit of rubbing you raw if you IWB carried.

EDIT: Not a bad looking grip. Good change.

Totally redone. You have to try it. It's an "a-ha" moment when you do.

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
yeah... Id take the sig over a glock any day of the week.

Love me some polymers, but glocks always feel like this to me

I have nothing against Glocks. Glock fanbois are a different story.

My preference of M&P vs. Glock:
*Stainless barrel and parts.
*Made in USA.
thats it. Nearly everything else is modifiable for either of them. If I had to carry it as a duty piece without modification at the same price point I'd get an XDM.

I felt the same way until I shot it. Glocks are Fhuggleee. But their triggers are sweet. They are the Buttaface of the gun world.

lol... the looks I could forgive on glocks, but not the grip, and certainly not the double action first pull trigger!

but that just goes to show you why different models are needed, what works for you may not work for me.

the M&P did need some trigger work, but to be honest, outside of my shotguns, I have done trigger work on all mah boomsticks.

I looked at the springfeild XD's, M&P's, glocks when I was choosing a 45, the xd was a close 2nd, but the grip on the M&P just blew it away for me.

on top of that, parts for the M&P's seem to be more varied and readily available, though this might be a canadian issue.

 easysauce wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
yeah... Id take the sig over a glock any day of the week.

Love me some polymers, but glocks always feel like this to me

I have nothing against Glocks. Glock fanbois are a different story.

My preference of M&P vs. Glock:
*Stainless barrel and parts.
*Made in USA.
thats it. Nearly everything else is modifiable for either of them. If I had to carry it as a duty piece without modification at the same price point I'd get an XDM.

I felt the same way until I shot it. Glocks are Fhuggleee. But their triggers are sweet. They are the Buttaface of the gun world.

lol... the looks I could forgive on glocks, but not the grip, and certainly not the double action first pull trigger!

Glocks are striker fired just like your M&P so every pull is exactly the same.

It's the same crappy snap-tasic trigger pull evvvvvery time. You can make a Glock trigger really good, but it takes some work.

Not that much work actually. Both they and M&P can get their triggers and resets modified to practically anything you want.

My M&PL has a 2.7lb trigger pull, good break, and tightened reset.

My M&P pro has a clean break and 4lb pull.

My M&Pc is stock. its fine like it is (M&P triggers have gotten better over time from the factory).

 easysauce wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
yeah... Id take the sig over a glock any day of the week.

Love me some polymers, but glocks always feel like this to me

I have nothing against Glocks. Glock fanbois are a different story.

My preference of M&P vs. Glock:
*Stainless barrel and parts.
*Made in USA.
thats it. Nearly everything else is modifiable for either of them. If I had to carry it as a duty piece without modification at the same price point I'd get an XDM.

I felt the same way until I shot it. Glocks are Fhuggleee. But their triggers are sweet. They are the Buttaface of the gun world.

lol... the looks I could forgive on glocks, but not the grip, and certainly not the double action first pull trigger!

but that just goes to show you why different models are needed, what works for you may not work for me.

the M&P did need some trigger work, but to be honest, outside of my shotguns, I have done trigger work on all mah boomsticks.

I looked at the springfeild XD's, M&P's, glocks when I was choosing a 45, the xd was a close 2nd, but the grip on the M&P just blew it away for me.

on top of that, parts for the M&P's seem to be more varied and readily available, though this might be a canadian issue.

Considering that the Glock's one inherent safety is the trigger safety, Im ok with that. Fast reset and easy followup shots make it a great carry gun.

When I first bought a Glock, I compared it to an M&P and an XD. I didnt care for the stock M&P trigger and the price of the XD was a lil more than what I wanted to spend at the time. Plus, it was a used tuned Glock with extra barrel PLUS the serial number had my initials and football jersey number in it, so I HAD to

Its a model 26 gen3 with over 1500 rounds through it (3 full 500 round boxes of spent brass help guess the round count).


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 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 easysauce wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
yeah... Id take the sig over a glock any day of the week.

Love me some polymers, but glocks always feel like this to me

I have nothing against Glocks. Glock fanbois are a different story.

My preference of M&P vs. Glock:
*Stainless barrel and parts.
*Made in USA.
thats it. Nearly everything else is modifiable for either of them. If I had to carry it as a duty piece without modification at the same price point I'd get an XDM.

I felt the same way until I shot it. Glocks are Fhuggleee. But their triggers are sweet. They are the Buttaface of the gun world.

lol... the looks I could forgive on glocks, but not the grip, and certainly not the double action first pull trigger!

Glocks are striker fired just like your M&P so every pull is exactly the same.

It's the same crappy snap-tasic trigger pull evvvvvery time. You can make a Glock trigger really good, but it takes some work.

I feel the reset in my Glock pretty well actually, and the pulls are shorter on follow ups.

Vic, if you haven't tried it, check out Ghost's Rocket connector. The reset is mouse-click short if you fit it correctly. While I'm not a huge fan of DA/SA due to the long DA pull, it gives you a similar margin of safety vs. performance. Your first pull will be relatively long, while subsequent shots will require VERY short pulls despite no overall change in pull weight.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Vic, if you haven't tried it, check out Ghost's Rocket connector. The reset is mouse-click short if you fit it correctly. While I'm not a huge fan of DA/SA due to the long DA pull, it gives you a similar margin of safety vs. performance. Your first pull will be relatively long, while subsequent shots will require VERY short pulls despite no overall change in pull weight.

OOOOooohhhhhhh


Thank you!

 Spacemanvic wrote:

Totally redone. You have to try it. It's an "a-ha" moment when you do.

Think I'll stick with my shield, lol. It's good that Springfield switched that grip texturing out, though.

Speaking of Shields, just ordered a set of these for mine...

Talon Grips.





Right now I've got a Pachmeyer slip-on just to play around with it, and the rubber feels great compared with the slick factory texture. Only issue is that they slide around a lot...Talon Grips will be much thinner and far more stationary.

You should try the grips on the M&P Pro. They are what M&P grips SHOULD be like.

I've heard really good things about Talon grips.

Ooohhh, they have it for the 26:

 Frazzled wrote:
You should try the grips on the M&P Pro. They are what M&P grips SHOULD be like.

I've heard really good things about Talon grips.

You mean the CORE? The Pro grips aren't really any different from the regular M&P grips as far as I can tell.

Really a big fan of M&P pistols...I'd trade my Glocks straight up any day of the week for their equivalent M&Ps. My only grips is that they don't make a Compact sized pistol the size of a G19. It goes from full directly to subcompact, in 9mm anyway. Well...maybe I'd keep the G26 because it's the smallest doublestack Sub out there AFAIK, but the G19 would be long gone.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
You should try the grips on the M&P Pro. They are what M&P grips SHOULD be like.

I've heard really good things about Talon grips.

You mean the CORE? The Pro grips aren't really any different from the regular M&P grips as far as I can tell.

Really a big fan of M&P pistols...I'd trade my Glocks straight up any day of the week for their equivalent M&Ps. My only grips is that they don't make a Compact sized pistol the size of a G19. It goes from full directly to subcompact, in 9mm anyway. Well...maybe I'd keep the G26 because it's the smallest doublestack Sub out there AFAIK, but the G19 would be long gone.

The M&P 45c is almost exactly the same size as a G19. I have both.

 Alex C wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
You should try the grips on the M&P Pro. They are what M&P grips SHOULD be like.

I've heard really good things about Talon grips.

You mean the CORE? The Pro grips aren't really any different from the regular M&P grips as far as I can tell.

Really a big fan of M&P pistols...I'd trade my Glocks straight up any day of the week for their equivalent M&Ps. My only grips is that they don't make a Compact sized pistol the size of a G19. It goes from full directly to subcompact, in 9mm anyway. Well...maybe I'd keep the G26 because it's the smallest doublestack Sub out there AFAIK, but the G19 would be long gone.

The M&P 45c is almost exactly the same size as a G19. I have both.

But the 9c isn't: it's nearly an inch shorter and holds fewer rounds.

EDIT: Can someone tell me why the 45c and the 9c have different dimensions? Was it just that they couldn't get enough velocity out of a 3.5in barrel?

I know the 9c isn't, but you said there wasn't an M&P about the size of a G19 and I wasn't sure if you were familiar with the 45c.

Not sure why they're different, but I'm glad. The 45c is the best polymer striker pistol I've ever fired.