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Stormrider wrote: but Remington-Rand pistols weren't made by Remington Firearms.
Actually Remington-Rand was an offshoot of Remington Arms that spun off into it's own company in 1927 under James Rand (jr). Vacuum tubes, razors, typewriters, and 1911s. Currently owned by Spectrum Brands (formerly Ray-o-vac). They were the proud sponsors of the shortest lived team Franchise in NFL history, the Tonawonda Kardex, who managed a single NFL game, which they lost, before the Franchise folded.
I see their damn Typewriters at every flea market I go to lol, Remington and Winchester both delved into all kinds of different goods in the teens, twenties and onwards, it's interesting seeing all of the different tool and implement companies that they bought up.
I tend to differentiate between the Remington-Rand and Remington proper products due to the fact that RR wasn't a true firearms company, but a subsidiary of one. Same goes for the all of the weapons made by all of the GM Subsidiaries during WWII.
Also, thanks for the Tonawonda Kardex reference, the rough & tumble era of the NFL indeed.
Catachan LIX "Lords Of Destruction" - Put Away
1943-1944 Era 1250 point Großdeutchland Force - Bolt Action
"The best medicine for Wraithlords? Multilasers. The best way to kill an Avatar? Lasguns."
"Time to pour out some liquor for the pinkmisted Harlequins"
easysauce wrote: thats a totally different type of ammo breotan in that other thread, totally different topic...
when talking about P90s people own, or dont own, that the cost of ammo is prohibitive due to reg's is pretty on topic.
now, back OT,
this has been tempting me as of late, im pretty old school with shotguns, and Id feel pretty stupid if all that reloading practice went to waste, but damn, these look nice.
This just makes me want to go more old school with an 1897 trench gun... if I could find one, or even one of those Norinco clones T_T
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
He says it's the riot gun, but the Riot didn't come with a bayonet lug. I'm gonna guess, but my guess is that someone lost their heat shield, which isn't all that uncommon in older ones.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
He says it's the riot gun, but the Riot didn't come with a bayonet lug. I'm gonna guess, but my guess is that someone lost their heat shield, which isn't all that uncommon in older ones.
they had a "terminator combo" a while back on these
was basically buy one get one half off
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There was a lot of BS about the 5.7mm round when it came out and a few times afterward because reasons. There is a restricted AP version of the round.
In my opinion it's a little too penetrative for a pistol round and it's also har to find and very expensive. Still, 20 rounds in a standard mag is pretty pimp.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
He says it's the riot gun, but the Riot didn't come with a bayonet lug. I'm gonna guess, but my guess is that someone lost their heat shield, which isn't all that uncommon in older ones.
If I had 3k I'd be all over it
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
You know, it's not really salient to the topic, exactly, but if you guys are getting these enormous tax returns and it's not due to EITC or some other refundable credits, you might want to reconsider your withholding. It's patriotic I guess to lend the government your tax dollars at zero percent interest but a little fiscally questionable.
lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
Ouze wrote: You know, it's not really salient to the topic, exactly, but if you guys are getting these enormous tax returns and it's not due to EITC or some other refundable credits, you might want to reconsider your withholding. It's patriotic I guess to lend the government your tax dollars at zero percent interest but a little fiscally questionable.
I'm getting it because I don't actually owe the Fed anything. By law, I'm untaxed, don't owe the US Fed a dime, but convince an employer that. So I have to go through all the rigamarole to get my money back every year.
and I'm patriotic for my country all the time. After all, our politicians bribe the public, not the other way around.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
There was a lot of BS about the 5.7mm round when it came out and a few times afterward because reasons. There is a restricted AP version of the round.
In my opinion it's a little too penetrative for a pistol round and it's also har to find and very expensive. Still, 20 rounds in a standard mag is pretty pimp.
I always wanted an FN 5.7 but with the cost of the ammo it's just insane to purchase one. 9mm is just the most practical if you intend to shoot. Heck we get 15-17 is most double stacks - capacity is really not an issue.
If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
He says it's the riot gun, but the Riot didn't come with a bayonet lug. I'm gonna guess, but my guess is that someone lost their heat shield, which isn't all that uncommon in older ones.
If I had 3k I'd be all over it
There's a reason it hasn't sold, it is a Riot Gun, the fact that the Bayonet lug was added later on kills the collector value too. It's serial number range also precludes it from being a Trench Gun (I won't get into everything else that would need to be different for it to be close). That one isn't worth more than $3,000 in this market. The average unmolested Riot Gun shouldn't be more than $2,500 at the very best. Even Martial Shotguns that were bought on the secondary market by the military don't bring all that much more than civilian weapons.
Is an even larger embarrassment, that is a complete re-parkerzied job and it doesn't even look like it's that old. For shame to want that much for a project.
Catachan LIX "Lords Of Destruction" - Put Away
1943-1944 Era 1250 point Großdeutchland Force - Bolt Action
"The best medicine for Wraithlords? Multilasers. The best way to kill an Avatar? Lasguns."
"Time to pour out some liquor for the pinkmisted Harlequins"
NuggzTheNinja wrote: There is a poor man's poodleshooter that takes more commonly available ammunition, if you can get past the Kel-Teciness.
I actually thought this might be a good pistol for someone with arthritis. Get a light trigger pull, with no perceptible recoil into the hand.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
NuggzTheNinja wrote: There is a poor man's poodleshooter that takes more commonly available ammunition, if you can get past the Kel-Teciness.
I actually thought this might be a good pistol for someone with arthritis. Get a light trigger pull, with no perceptible recoil into the hand.
Yeah, and if you put 10+ rounds of .22 hollow points into someone's chest and face you will probably discourage them from whatever they were doing that prompted you to shoot them.
May also be good around here as an easy to carry anti-snake plinker.
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
The penetration and expansion characteristics on .22WMR are actually really impressive. With a good gun I'd bet it'd be accurate as heck.
We took a shot timer to the wife speed shooting a .22 buckmark at 5 yards into a 6 in target. She put ten rounds in in less than two seconds.
I was very polite after that.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I've wanted a PMR for a couple years now. Those guns look awesome and work surprisingly well, though it's common for you not to get all 30 rounds in, so most people just use 25ish
There's a reason it hasn't sold, it is a Riot Gun, the fact that the Bayonet lug was added later on kills the collector value too. It's serial number range also precludes it from being a Trench Gun (I won't get into everything else that would need to be different for it to be close).
I'll admit, I'm a bit curious, Winchesters not being my thing. I was under the impression that Trench guns ran between E613000 and E705000, this shotgun being E704624, meaning it was made in 1921.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
KLAHOMA CITY - It's a true hero's story now being told to millions across our country, and it has an Oklahoma tie.
At Two Rivers Arms in southwest OKC, accuracy in the weapons they make is just as important their authenticity.
"A lot of collectors pick these up," said Shawn Hernandez who helps build the rifles.
Two Rivers Arms gives customers something our own soldiers couldn't bring back from the battlefield in Iraq: The AK 47 Tubuk Rifles used by the Iraqi army.
"We make them as authentic as possible," said Hernandez.
Which is why Producers of the film "American Sniper", tapped Two Rivers to make six tabuk rifles for the film.
"We were like okay, this is a joke," recalled Rep. Russell when he first got the call.
"To be apart of this and have our stuff be part of this, it's an amazing thing," said Hernandez.
Hernandez used the adjective "amazing" not just because his craftsmanship is seen on screen, but also to take part of such an important story.
American Sniper, the story of the U.S. Military's most lethal marksman, tackles issues like life after war for soldiers.
"You got to rally around our soldiers and support them," said Hernandez, a Navy reservist himself.
The fact that American Sniper has grossed more than 320 million dollars shows the guys at Two Rivers Arms, that unlike their guns, help for soldiers at home won't be put away.
"People want to know what's happening over there," said Hernandez.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So in KM news I formally got brought on as a staff writer for a gun blog. Albeit none of us get paid including the boss, but it's a feather for the cap I suppose.
Cool Can you tell us which blog?
KiloFiX wrote: PS90 - Wife's home defense gun. 50 rounds minimizes the need to reload, 5.7mm is easy to handle.
Very nice. Second gun I ever fired was the P90 and I loved it. Have you considered going the SBR route with it?
If you're buying in bulk the price to feed it could be between $0.62 and $0.58 a round.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So in KM news I formally got brought on as a staff writer for a gun blog. Albeit none of us get paid including the boss, but it's a feather for the cap I suppose.
Cool Can you tell us which blog?
KiloFiX wrote: PS90 - Wife's home defense gun. 50 rounds minimizes the need to reload, 5.7mm is easy to handle.
Very nice. Second gun I ever fired was the P90 and I loved it. Have you considered going the SBR route with it?
If you're buying in bulk the price to feed it could be between $0.62 and $0.58 a round.
I was thinking of going the SBR route but my wife also takes this with her in the car, and it complicates things for her if she has to drive out of state.
Ammo is expensive but for self defense purposes and the associated training, it's ok.
Edit - here's it's bigger brother the Tunafish.
I use it when; I need to play a left-handed action hero in a sci-if movie that's filmed using live ammo. Or when I need to look like Sam Fisher. No really, the latter is why I bought it in the first place.
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I have a real soft spot for FN firearms, but I don't really know why because I've only ever fired two of them (P90 and an FNX 9). I really like how the FS2000 looks, I'd love to have a bullpup day and fire it along with the AUG and Tavor.
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KalashnikovMarine wrote: So in KM news I formally got brought on as a staff writer for a gun blog. Albeit none of us get paid including the boss, but it's a feather for the cap I suppose.
Looks like the ATF just backed off the 5.56 ammo thing.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: Looks like the ATF just backed off the 5.56 ammo thing.
They said that the omission of M855 from their 2015 list of exceptions was just a publishing mistake and didn't signify that they had actually withdrawn the exception for M855.
But they did in fact send out a proposal framework, for public opinion, on what is to be considered "for sporting purposes" and what is considered "armor piercing".
Either way, it's not necessary and over-reaching.
Edit - forgot to mention above that their proposed framework for public opinion DOES reclassify M855 as armor piercing.
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Catachan LIX "Lords Of Destruction" 
Can you tell us which blog?
