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yellowfever wrote:
I read that the army uses a 25 yard BZO, thus making the effective range about 250 yards. I never tried that with a red dot. Do you guys think/know if it will work with a red dot.

Depends on height over bore.. for an ACOG it's 40/250 or thereabout.

Picked up this for the wife:



First few magazines through it:



And me with Mr Mossberg:

The Kimber looks like it has a good "handfeel" for lack of a better word. When I was looking for my 1911 I had made a checklist of everything I wanted in a 1911 and then a list of all the different vendors I wanted from and then I wound up rejecting all of those once I went and rented, and buying from a totally different company, because I didn't like how they all felt.

Crimson Trace is always a good call.

Nice looking Kimber.

We got out to the range again this weekend and I decided to try the HK VP9. Speaking of how a pistol feels this just felt exceptional, pointed really well, the trigger was pretty good (little travel before the pick up), and it did a great job of mitigating against recoil. First shot was right on the X, and it did not disappoint after that.

Very cool, I need to get out to the range again here soon in the next couple of weeks.

I actually looked online and found a 50 yard zero is good out to 230 yards with the POI only getting 2.5 inches at the highest part. All articles I read said that's good for red dots and flip up sights.

 CptJake wrote:
Picked up this for the wife:



First few magazines through it:

Is that the 9mm? Check the manual. If it says change the springs by such and such CHANGE THE SPRINGS. They aren't messing around.

And me with Mr Mossberg:

Lean forward!


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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Nice looking Kimber.

We got out to the range again this weekend and I decided to try the HK VP9. Speaking of how a pistol feels this just felt exceptional, pointed really well, the trigger was pretty good (little travel before the pick up), and it did a great job of mitigating against recoil. First shot was right on the X, and it did not disappoint after that.

Spoiler:

Excellent.

I like my Beretta but my wife wants her own gun. Preferably concealable.
I love gun shopping!

yellowfever wrote:
I actually looked online and found a 50 yard zero is good out to 230 yards with the POI only getting 2.5 inches at the highest part. All articles I read said that's good for red dots and flip up sights.

Maybe with a full cowitness of irons and red dots of the same height, but height over bore is critical for determining the second intersection point.

An an extreme example, if your scope mounts a 3 feet high and you zero at 50 yards, your round will be flying in a higher angle parabolic arc than if your sights are 1.5" above bore. See here for an example:
http://m14forum.com/m14/28559-scope-bore-height-important-when-zeroing.html

I'll have to check what the articles I read say about that.

 Frazzled wrote:
Excellent.

Thank you. I really liked the gun, but the lack of external safety (not located in the trigger) is a mark against it for me.

I kind of don't like the trigger safeties very much. It's not a deal killer for me - my 9mm standard carry gun has one - but I don't like how they sometimes make the trigger feel creepy. I like grip safeties instead.

Yay its back!

I went to my friends farm a couple months ago and we shot a lot of guns. I brought out my Thompson, P-08, Lee Enfield, HK 33, the AUG and some other fun things. My other friend brought his SBR MP5 and UMP and another one brought out his Suppressed AR and M&P. We went through a lot of ammo but it was well worth it! Another one of the guys brought his son with him who had never shot a gun before. We started him off with some basic training with some small arms, then we worked our way up. Now his dad says that his son wants a 270 Remington after shooting my Winchester Model 70.

Shortly before we went out shooting I bought a new Smith and Wesson model 627. Its a fun 8 shot, moon clipped snub nose revolver in 357 Mag. Its one of the Performance Center revolvers and I gotta say its beautiful! The trigger is smooth and being an N frame it has the weight behind it to shoot all day.

@Rubero. By UMP do you mean the .45

^Yep! HK UMP 45.

 Ouze wrote:
I kind of don't like the trigger safeties very much. It's not a deal killer for me - my 9mm standard carry gun has one - but I don't like how they sometimes make the trigger feel creepy. I like grip safeties instead.

It isn't something that is a deal breaker for me either, but to me having the safety in the trigger alone is not ideal.

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 Ouze wrote:
I kind of don't like the trigger safeties very much. It's not a deal killer for me - my 9mm standard carry gun has one - but I don't like how they sometimes make the trigger feel creepy. I like grip safeties instead.

I hear you. I also don't consider trigger safeties a real safety. If you drop it and something hooks the trigger, it still goes off.

Lets see, Ill mention my more interesting ones and not the run of the mill everyday stuff
a couple Mosin Nagants
Springfield 1921 .22 rifle
Paratrooper Arisaka in prime condition
Standard Arisaka in prime condition with mum intact, including dust cover, monpod, and AA sights
Series 96 machine gun
Nambu Pistol
CZ-455 .22
Enfield .22
Saiga 12ga

Looking to pick up a Kriss Vector sometime in the near future.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I kind of don't like the trigger safeties very much. It's not a deal killer for me - my 9mm standard carry gun has one - but I don't like how they sometimes make the trigger feel creepy. I like grip safeties instead.

I hear you. I also don't consider trigger safeties a real safety. If you drop it and something hooks the trigger, it still goes off.

If I drop one of my M&P's and something gets inside the trigger guard and manages to apply 5+ lbs of pressure to the lower portion of the trigger, then I'm buying a lotto ticket because karma owes me a massive win after that extreme of bad luck.

 Alex C wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I kind of don't like the trigger safeties very much. It's not a deal killer for me - my 9mm standard carry gun has one - but I don't like how they sometimes make the trigger feel creepy. I like grip safeties instead.

I hear you. I also don't consider trigger safeties a real safety. If you drop it and something hooks the trigger, it still goes off.

If I drop one of my M&P's and something gets inside the trigger guard and manages to apply 5+ lbs of pressure to the lower portion of the trigger, then I'm buying a lotto ticket because karma owes me a massive win after that extreme of bad luck.

I dropped my Kimber once in the bathroom. I screamed like a little girl. Not my Baby!

To each their own, but just because a "manual" safety is not visible doesn't mean the pistol is unsafe.

Carry whatever you are comfortable with and can shoot well. Everyone is different.

 Alex C wrote:
To each their own, but just because a "manual" safety is not visible doesn't mean the pistol is unsafe.

Carry whatever you are comfortable with and can shoot well. Everyone is different.

Indeed. Never rely on any safety. It's a mechanical device that can fail. Training is paramount.

Agreed.

My everyday carry guns both have a trigger safety. The SD9 has a 8lb trigger pull and travels forever, but I will likely get a new spring kit for it soon to bring it down closer to 5lb.

Trigger safeties are the source for my main carry rules that I always follow (although I still follow them if I am carrying a gun with any other type of safety): no off-body carry, holsters fully cover the entire trigger, and retention holster for open carry.

I also go back and forth with Israeli carry, but I'm still very much on the fence about it.

For me personally if I'm carrying a gun it's in condition 1. I carried a gun like that in the military all the time. Thousands of cops do it everyday with no problem. Except for very rare instances if a gun goes off its operator error. But as always a person should do what they are comfortable with.

 d-usa wrote:
My everyday carry guns both have a trigger safety. The SD9 has a 8lb trigger pull and travels forever, but I will likely get a new spring kit for it soon to bring it down closer to 5lb.

Trigger safeties are the source for my main carry rules that I always follow (although I still follow them if I am carrying a gun with any other type of safety): no off-body carry, holsters fully cover the entire trigger, and retention holster for open carry.

I also go back and forth with Israeli carry, but I'm still very much on the fence about it.

Out of curiosity what is your everyday?

I'm still carrying a PX4 Storm. I finally reached the 1000 round plateau with it this weekend, and still works great.

S&W SD9VE right now. Usually with an IWB holster that keeps it nicely concealed. Summer carry is a LCP in a pocket holster.

 cincydooley wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
My everyday carry guns both have a trigger safety. The SD9 has a 8lb trigger pull and travels forever, but I will likely get a new spring kit for it soon to bring it down closer to 5lb.

Trigger safeties are the source for my main carry rules that I always follow (although I still follow them if I am carrying a gun with any other type of safety): no off-body carry, holsters fully cover the entire trigger, and retention holster for open carry.

I also go back and forth with Israeli carry, but I'm still very much on the fence about it.

Out of curiosity what is your everyday?

I'm still carrying a PX4 Storm. I finally reached the 1000 round plateau with it this weekend, and still works great.

Is that or is that not a punk to field strip and re-assemble!