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That does not look like normal wear to me, but it may grind itself out in time, though I imagine you may find issues cycling until then or if it doesn't grind out. Something may be slightly out of proper alignment or there may be some weird tolerance stacking somewhere.

I opened a ticket with Aero Precision, who agree with you. it's going back :/

That's unfortunate :/

Hope it comes back soon!

On a new note...I've recently become smitten with the idea of a FAL...but have questions.

It looks like DSA is the go-to option for these, cheaper than insanely priced $4k+ preban imports, far better quality than Century mishmashes and they make their parts in house, anyone have experience with them?

Likewise, barrel and stock options? I've been vaccilating between either an 18" fixed stock, a classic 21" fixed stock, or a para congo 18" with folding stock. The folding stock looks very solid but I have no idea how comfortable/functional it is, and it appears to require changes to the recoil system and I have no idea what that entails.

I know DSA has very basic inexpensive "Voyager" fixed stock models in 16", 18" and 21" iterations for about $1k. They also have more expensive options with more milling, better finish and sights, bipod cuts, and more receiver and barrel types, along with folding stock options that range up to $2k but mostly seem to be $1400-1700. Anyone have any thoughts in those regards?

 Vaktathi wrote:
On a new note...I've recently become smitten with the idea of a FAL...but have questions.

It looks like DSA is the go-to option for these, cheaper than insanely priced $4k+ preban imports, far better quality than Century mishmashes and they make their parts in house, anyone have experience with them?

Likewise, barrel and stock options? I've been vaccilating between either an 18" fixed stock, a classic 21" fixed stock, or a para congo 18" with folding stock. The folding stock looks very solid but I have no idea how comfortable/functional it is, and it appears to require changes to the recoil system and I have no idea what that entails.

I know DSA has very basic inexpensive "Voyager" fixed stock models in 16", 18" and 21" iterations for about $1k. They also have more expensive options with more milling, better finish and sights, bipod cuts, and more receiver and barrel types, along with folding stock options that range up to $2k but mostly seem to be $1400-1700. Anyone have any thoughts in those regards?

Ill just leave this here for you Vak, m'kay?



STAY AWAY FROM CENTURY ARMS FAL. Complete and utter crap. Even HiPoints look down on them....

Haha, yeah I figured a Century would be a no-go. I'm very leery of US made rebuilds of foreign guns in general, but was looking at DSA since they make everything in house and seem to have a mostly good reputation.

I was hoping for one of HMG's STG recreations for my next gun, but those are still MIA, so it's increaselingly looking like it might be a FAL.

Normally I would agree with the Century hate. I hate them with the white hot passion of a thousand burning suns but their FALs are not all bad. My Century L1A1 was originally a Canadian sportter L1A1, the only thing Century about it is that it was imported by them. My metric pattern FAL is made by Century and has been a flawless bullet eating machine. I have heard bad things about the Century C1A1s though so stay away from them. Even a broken clock can be right twice a day. I've heard good and bad things about DSA, but the bad is mostly their customer service sucking like a black hole. They make a good product as far as I know.

If you find an L1A1 with a stupid sportter stock on it and no muzzle break, and it has "made in Canada" on the lower right side of the receiver, you got a really good L1A1 there. Don't be deterred by the Century import mark, those are fairly sought after FALs. Some of them are milled out to take inch pattern magazines to make it more authentic, others are left as metrics with all the other parts being inch pattern. Most importantly they are built on an Imbel receiver which are arguably the best FAL receiver manufacturer.


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Also, as far as the side folders. The Para is a really good FAL if you plan to keep it stored, carried with you, or you just like the look of them. The stocks lock up tight and sturdy so they are made well. DSA does make a conversion kit that moves the recoil assembly up underneath the dust cover so you can install a para lower trigger housing and para stock. The regular FAL has its recoil system running through the stock, that's why you can't just throw a para stock onto a standard FAL.

Another note, if you buy a standard DSA FAL like the voyager and you plan to take the stock off to replace it with something like the Magpul stock, do yourself a favor and buy a FAL armorers tool. The recoil spring in the butt stock will launch into space or take your face off when it shoots out the back without it.

As for what rifle would I get. I would look at the DSA SA58 18" traditional fixed stock. If you just want an FAL for fun save your shoulder and get the fixed stock. The 16-18 barrels are plenty effective to get most of the use out of a 308 so save the weight there. You can add rails or what not to your heart's content after that.

FWIW I have a sidefolder AK, which looks like so, stock:



I think it looks pretty cool, but if I could go back in time I definitely would not get it again. As it turned out I'm not regularly jumping out of a plane or getting into a tank so I kind of wish I had a comfortable, adjustable stock instead. It was literally the first thing I replaced after having it a while.

Okay, So I'm looking over my Gun shopping list, trying to prioritize what I want first:

Glock 23 (to go with my glock 23 rifle conversion)
Glock 19 (to go with my Sub 2000)
Some kind of AK to use up my 3,000 rounds of Tula ammo
A VEPR chambered in 7.62x54R to share ammo with my Mosin.
Mossberg 500 in .410 (wife teacher)
Two Ruger 10-22's for the kids when they get older
Bolt action rifle in .308 to share ammo with my HK91
Taurus Tracker .357

All the guns listed.

LOL, Yeah, I'd LOVE to get them all. Just wondering what to get first. I'm leaning towards the 10-22's. I found a good deal on them, $169 with free shipping.

Other than that, the Glock 23 and Taurus Tracker are sticking out.

Anybody else catch this DPM video from Forgotten Weapons?

Beautiful! beautiful!

I'm not a gun owner, and my primary interest is military history and old school guns made before 1945, but I do like to pop up on this thread from time to time.

But yeah, the DPM is very retro/steampunk and it would kill me to discover that one of my fellow dakka members owns one of these...

That's 169 for both.

I watched the DPM vid a couple days ago, they're super cool, but the mags look like a pain and they're expeeeensive

yellowfever wrote:
That's 169 for both.

Each. Not a super great savings, but not too bad.

Love me some 10/22, and $169 isn't a bad price at all.

 cuda1179 wrote:

yellowfever wrote:
That's 169 for both.

Each. Not a super great savings, but not too bad.

Is that new? Which 10/22 is it? Those are darned nice prices. We have a few at the house, kids love em. Upgraded with Volquartsen parts, sweet lil rifles.


Side note, took out an AR15 Pistol (10.5" barrel, carbine gas system) to the range in 12 degree weather after work on Saturday. Only put 18 rnds down range, two stoppages where the BCG was stuck forward with light primer strikes. Thinking it was too much crud in the chamber that didnt allow the BCG to close fully forward and or some handloads that werent up to spec. Stripped it down and cleaned it, all snap caps cycled perfectly through it. Will have to try again later when not faced with 18+" of snow on the horizon.

Yeah, that's a brand spanking new 10/22. It has an 18.5 inch blued barrel and a polymer stock. one 10-round mag.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Yeah, that's a brand spanking new 10/22. It has an 18.5 inch blued barrel and a polymer stock. one 10-round mag.

This lil guy?:



They make great base builds. Lots of stocks and options available for the 10/22.

Where are you finding it for that price?

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Yeah, that's a brand spanking new 10/22. It has an 18.5 inch blued barrel and a polymer stock. one 10-round mag.

This lil guy?:



They make great base builds. Lots of stocks and options available for the 10/22.

Where are you finding it for that price?

That's the one. I found it at CenterfireSystems. THey have it listed for $179, but I have a couple $10 off redemption codes to use up.

Here's my new toy:

Benelli Supernova with Nordic Components +6 tube, now holds 10 comfortably, and the spring is much more forgiving to load that the factory one!

Very cool, Benelli makes great shotguns.

Hopefully tuesday I will have some more new...stuff

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Yeah, that's a brand spanking new 10/22. It has an 18.5 inch blued barrel and a polymer stock. one 10-round mag.

This lil guy?:



They make great base builds. Lots of stocks and options available for the 10/22.

Where are you finding it for that price?

That's the one. I found it at CenterfireSystems. THey have it listed for $179, but I have a couple $10 off redemption codes to use up.

Whats the transfer fee at your FFL?


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So, what is the general consensus on the Windicator 357 2" revolver. We have one used for $150 that Im on the fence about getting. Looks lightly used, timing seems good, lockup is great. Barrel "crown" isnt sharp. I dont know anything about the German manufacturer though. Wont be an EDC, just something to demonstrate with students.

$20 Transfer fee at the FFL.

New toys

Beretta ARX 100 and DSA SA58 FAL


Methinks the ARX is gonna get an SBR stamp at some point and a VFG as soon as the lower rail that goes over the grenade launcher attachment comes in the mail, the FAL will likely just get a railed top cover.

Also holy jebus is the ARX *light*.

Gun guy question:

There is an old mid-1800 pistol that was basically a revolver that also had a 20-gauge shotgun shell in the center of the cylinder.
If someone today were to make something similar, but double action with 7 rounds of .357 mag and a 20-gauge or .410 in the center, how many people would be interested?

Every gun-nut who watches Westworld.

It's an odd design, which means it'd be bought by odd people. But you could probably successfully market it as a home-defense weapon, or with a large enough community of buyers set up specialist shooting competitions for it- combination target and skeet or something like that.

I might be interested, but just for the weird factor mainly. Those old combo pistols come up on auctions fairly regularly but obviously arent generally as readily shootable. They're also rather big and awkward to operate though a more moderb reimagining may help fix that. Forgotten Weapons has done some great vids on them.

Well the stars aligned and I acquired something new (or will in a few weeks) for me birfday from the wife. Burned out another .22 so we she got me this.
https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/sw22-victory

Have not shot yet but a few notes:
*surprisingly heavy, like full size all steel 1911 heavy. Its markedly heavier then the Browning its going to replace (its worn out after about 35,000 rounds through it).
*The grip panels feel almost like cloth. Very comfortable.
*The fiber optic sights are nice. My M&Ps have them so I wanted similar on the .22 (especially as I have problems with normal sights now). The rear sights are fiber optic too. Thats... different. I may paint them black to have the same sight picture as the M&Ps.
*It has some weird kind of double trigger. Rack it and it appears to have a second trike capability. Could be good considering crappy rimfire rounds.

Nice! I havent gotten to shoot one of those yet but they look neat.