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 Ozomoto wrote:
Just as a side not, does tzeentch have access to divination?

Lords of Change and Heralds of Tzeentch ONLY have Divination and Change to generate from.

Im going with no, too random, your tactics mean nothing if it goes stupid on you, the entire point of list building is to lower the reliance on luck.

Im sure something will pop up thats not half bad.

Oh it can be pretty competitive if done right. Plus they can be a pretty fun allied attachment. I love the idea of the portal, it can give you 1 D 6 standard units in a turn. Though the problem is... It can scatter really far.

quick question about the new codex;

1. Is skulltaker terribly different than he was before
2. are bloodletter terribly different than they were before

I feel no compultion to shell out 50 USD for entries for 2 units. If they pretty much got a small tweak to their rules, but otherwise stayed the same, spectacular. If they are soooooo different that I'll have to at least get a hold of the new book to "memorize" them, so be it.

Furyou Miko wrote:If by "interesting and unique" you mean "completely different every time you play because EVERYTHING IN THE BOOK is generated by random dice table!".

People complaining about RNG in a game built around extremely random dice rolls?

 StarHunter25 wrote:
quick question about the new codex;

1. Is skulltaker terribly different than he was before
2. are bloodletter terribly different than they were before

I feel no compultion to shell out 50 USD for entries for 2 units. If they pretty much got a small tweak to their rules, but otherwise stayed the same, spectacular. If they are soooooo different that I'll have to at least get a hold of the new book to "memorize" them, so be it.

Vastly different for both. Bloodletters are strength 4, toughness 3. and much much cheaper points wise. And herald's can give them big squadwide buff's like hatred and such.

Skulltaker is a little cheaper, a little weaker, (Not much, admittedly) And has to give challenges. TO be honest, he is pretty much the same, only he can't take a chariot. His attacks are only ap3, but they are instant death and soulblaze.


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 Furyou Miko wrote:
If by "interesting and unique" you mean "completely different every time you play because EVERYTHING IN THE BOOK is generated by random dice table!".

We are the only players, who can have an army no-one can entirely tailor to face. Because every time you play this army, it will be different, even if you bring the exact same stuff.

If you are an adaptable player, you can use this unpredictability, to your advantage.

New book is fantastic.

The randomness is relatively inconsequential; most of the results are good. It's lot like "roll a 4+ whenever you move or your family dies." It's just like a bunch of boon tables.

Costing is much better, and will make Daemons less of a "One Trick Pony" book, as well as forcing them to start on the board makes the dex seem like it will play much less erratically.

Daemonic Instability seems interesting. I like the sound of it, hopefully it works fairly.

Skarbrand sounds amazing now, though.

-TheCaptain

So they didnt pull a C:CSM copypasta deal with daemons then. might actually head down to the FLGS for a looksee.

PS: are skullcrushers finally cavalry? I love those models and really want to throw them in with my daemon allies

How much has Epidemius changed? Thanks

Gork and Mork wrote:
How much has Epidemius changed? Thanks

Only affects units within 6 and different effects.

Important Question: Are you required to take god-specific powers like the csm dex? Or can I roll 3x on rule book powers for a lvl 3 Herald or Greater Daemon?

I'm so happy that the flamers of yours are now ap4, say 'ello to mah little mega nobz!

IMO, if you're playing with the warp and don't expect utter randomness, you're doing it wrong..
I like the idea of the randomness, because no matter what I put on the table, my opponent is going to have no idea what's going on with my army.

However, that said, I haven't yet read the new daemons codex, and am just basing this statement from other people's postings on the interwebs...

Budzerker wrote:
Important Question: Are you required to take god-specific powers like the csm dex? Or can I roll 3x on rule book powers for a lvl 3 Herald or Greater Daemon?

Each god get a choice between using their god's powers, one book power per god, or a mix of either. You don't have to take god powers, if you don't want to, except on named daemons.

My Great unclean one, for instance, is taking 2 biomancy powers, and one nurgle power. I could have had 3 biomancy, or 3 nurgle if I wanted though.

Awesome. 3x Biomancy looks pretty hot on a GUO. Maybe Heralds too.

Final word, the new demon books are good or bad? People will rant again it because is not competitive or is the perfect balance book for now.

I'm taking one nurgle power, purely because it gives him a shooting attack, either the poisoned large blast, or the primaris poisoned flamer

hellpato wrote:
Final word, the new demon books are good or bad? People will rant again it because is not competitive or is the perfect balance book for now.

To early to tell for sure. It needs tabletop time. However, iniial impressions to me, seem to be that it is inline with the 3 other 6th ED books we've gotten, with the ability to compete well. Daemons as an Army, are better off, just with no glaring super OP choices like the old Screamers and Flamers.

 Sasori wrote:

hellpato wrote:
Final word, the new demon books are good or bad? People will rant again it because is not competitive or is the perfect balance book for now.

To early to tell for sure. It needs tabletop time. However, iniial impressions to me, seem to be that it is inline with the 3 other 6th ED books we've gotten, with the ability to compete well. Daemons as an Army, are better off, just with no glaring super OP choices like the old Screamers and Flamers.

I think it is more like the DA codex. The strong stuff in the CSM was pretty straightforward (PMs, Baledrakes), while with DA it was better hidden (like, you would think that there is none, then you discover the Rad Grenade Launcher). Same goes with the DC: at first look, nothing interesting; at second, 19D6 S9 AP4 TL shots from a single unit...

Otherwise, I like this codex. It has a character, and the stuff in it is mostly alright.

 Ravenous D wrote:
Im going with no, too random, your tactics mean nothing if it goes stupid on you, the entire point of list building is to lower the reliance on luck.

Im sure something will pop up thats not half bad.

Sure...

Because there's absolutely nothing competitive about a Herald of Slaanesh w/Greater Etherblade + Lesser roll + Steed + Exalted Locus of Beguilement leading a squad of Fiends/Seekers.
I mean, she only makes every single non-3++ character or Shadowfield Archon weep. God forbid she actually gets the Cleaving Blow roll for her lesser gift! Oh dear, now every 6 to-hit she rolls is S9! (and of corse, w/re-roll all missed to-hit rolls she'll NEVER roll 6's...)
And of corse, a unit with rending re-rolling missed to-hit rolls will just bounce off of 2+ saves every single time...

Yep, useless codex is useless... (aparently)

That's it folks, the intertubes have spoken! Time to sell our armies and go play Longwang spam or a Flying french Bakery!

The point of the random is, it's random for both players. If you are adaptable, you can use what you are given, to your advantage. If not, you will just whine you didn't get the one option you wanted, then lose.

There are very few random thing's, that can't be used, in this book. And on those where you can get a bad random, you can take a "Primaris" style choice to nullify it into something reasonably good.

 AtoMaki wrote:
Same goes with the DC: at first look, nothing interesting; at second, 19D6 S9 AP4 TL shots from a single unit

Ummm... what unit would that be?

from the new codex what are good choices to compliment your basic black legion CSM army?

Budzerker wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:
Same goes with the DC: at first look, nothing interesting; at second, 19D6 S9 AP4 TL shots from a single unit

Ummm... what unit would that be?

Dinker's of Malal


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 Pwn'd You wrote:
from the new codex what are good choices to compliment your basic black legion CSM army?

A greater daemon. They are all fantastic, plus, it's your ally HQ.

Other than that, take troops of your preferred flavour, for some cheap, sort of fearless scoring

Budzerker wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:
Same goes with the DC: at first look, nothing interesting; at second, 19D6 S9 AP4 TL shots from a single unit

Ummm... what unit would that be?

Nothing, because Loci don't stack like that.

I was wondering, is it possible for a herald to join a unit of beasts? Wanted to slap a herald into a beasts of nurgle unit, and just move it slowly once he is in it, but is that possible, read the rulebook, and it doesn't seem to indicate it had to be infantry, or the same type, to join a unit.

Herald of nurgle, giving beasts of nurgle feel no pain, or 2+ poison, would be amazing.

You could almost say the level of randomness in this codex is almost chaotic

Eldercaveman wrote:
You could almost say the level of randomness in this codex is almost chaotic

That's crazy talk...

Hmm. Do CSM Daemonic units with a MoN count as Daemons of Nurgle for Epidemius?

One question I had after playing it was, does the warp storm, that causes the lightning thing(?) (a bit like Storm lords lightning) does it effect Flyers/FMC's. Or is this going to be another one of those things that needs an FAQ, and untill then we can expect a infinite amount of merry-go round arguments in YMDC?