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 -Loki- wrote:
3. Someone at the printing house or a distribution warehouse snuck a phone in, and not having time to frame and mount individual pages for clear photography in a light box, took some rushed photos while people weren't looking.

Snuck a phone in? You make it sound as if something underhanded is happening here.

 Formosa wrote:
Loved the suits when they came out, love them now.

My only issue is with o'shovah, he needs a new kit badly, the old one doesn't fit the bill for me

I like the XV-8 suits as well. Any changes I would want to them are minor- stronger ankles, make the knee and elbow joints separate so they are posable (Ig sentinel got posable legs in the redesign), and fix the head divot. Maybe make the head antennae a little more durable as well.

whoadirty wrote:


The new Broadsides better be amazing, because I can order the FW ones for $12 less than these new ones.

Well, they are quite a bit larger, being on 60mm bases now.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
3. Someone at the printing house or a distribution warehouse snuck a phone in, and not having time to frame and mount individual pages for clear photography in a light box, took some rushed photos while people weren't looking.

Snuck a phone in? You make it sound as if something underhanded is happening here.

It's not uncommon for security conscious places to have rules against employee phones in the working area.

Overall this Tau release is pretty womp womp to me. Crisis suits still look gakky, still cost 70% more than they did when first released, and now you can't even buy them one at a time. They had better get a new sprue or something in the deal.

New broadside looks okay. It's kinda whatever to me. Price? LOL. $50? Is it even on a 60mm base?

Flyers. Very simple. Almost too simple, the design seems a leeeetle bit lazy. Pretty cool though. Price again? LOL. Looks just about as one piece as the DE flyer, I sure hope it is bigger.

Mega battlesuit? Looks like gak to me. No coherent aesthetic. No clean silhouette. The conversion from way back looks way better, this looks like the other old "we took a crisis suit and made it HUGE AND COVERED IN GRIBBLES!!!!" conversions which were terrible. Price is a complete joke, it looks to be only slightly larger than a DK.

Pathfinders seem nice. Good price point.




Rules I'm sure will be broken to all hell, as Tau players are the whiniest of all players and GW makes money by making whiney people happy again.

First, glad that xv8's & fire warriors stay the same. Really never was likely when FW has so many good updates to the XV8's and that the fire warriors are considered to be one of the better looking troop units that GW makes. IMO, any that really thought that GW would spend the money on new sculpts for the xv8's or the fire warriors were deluding themselves(or abusing their medical marijuana).

Second, Dont care much for the Fliers but agree with those that suggest removing the struts that connect the front wings to the rear stabilizers and changing the missile mounts. Was thinking the same thing when I read that others felt the same.(Think that a modified tx42 pirahna might be better looking and possibly cheaper flier. Really, depends on the rules and whether or not I even want to use fliers. Really don't like their implementation in 6th ed.)

Third, Rip-tide. Very mixed feelings.
-Really hate the name yet like the model's overall look.
-Really don't like it being super heavy (near Titan) sized (such a large unit seems contrary to the Tau design philosophy of economy of resources), but am happy that it has a wound characteristic. (An oversized walker/dreadnought does not fit the Tau theme)
-Forsee the classic Tau Battlesuit weak ankle / easy to knock over problem continuing with this model, but that just makes it more at home in the elites section with the crisis suits
(Will probably get one for a display piece but won't likely use it in game because its size will exascerbate the scale problem inherent in 40K.)

Fourth, Pathfinders. Already have pleanty of the old pewter pieces. might get a box if there are new weapon options or to get the drones to use as a template for building my own from scratch.

Fifth, About the Kroot & Vespid.
I'm inclined to believe that the rumour about them being in a mini-allies section at the beginning of the book. I think the rumour about a seperate allies book was met with such vehemence by the 40k community that GW realized that such a seperation would cause this release to fail.
IF , the Kroot and Vespid are now treated as in codex allies, this would allow the Tau to have a unique way of exceeding the FOC restrictions.(I reaaly hope that this is what is happening.

Sixth, IMO, Depending on which way GW goes with the Stealthsuits and the Alien auxilla, This codex will either be almost Necron good or 5th ed Tyranid bad. I don't think that it will fall in the middle, GW's history suggests that it will either be a big hit or a horrible miss.
(If it is a mediocre book that does fall just short of the middle, then it will be business as usual for the Tau and the Tau player base will retain our fiddly army that is a challenge to use)

Seventh Broadsides. Think that I'll be investing in the Forge World pieces

and
Finally, I blame focusedfire for a lot of this.

I remember some of his old "Fix Tau for 5th ed" discussions and Tau fan-dex ideas. Seem to remember that he said:

1)The Tau would get an xv88 replacement that was larger and had a railgun that was weaker than the Hammerheads Rail Cannon.(If the rumours are true, he definitely called that one.)

2) He kept talking about the xv15's being stripped of their stealth generators and being repurposed as troop units.(Got a feeling that the xv15's & xv25's may go this route).

3) Described a much expanded drone presence in the Tau forces. (Looks at pics and sees a lot of new drones)

4) Tau special rule that would allow for falling back before an assault. (Consolidation after Overwatch?)

5) Streamlined marker system that similar in mechanic to the DE pain token system. (1 hit= +1bs, 2 hit= -1 to cover, ect, ect....)

6) and many others that seem to fit with these rumours. There was a lot where he was off, but his ideas are from 5th ed and over 3-4 years ago.


To bad he has dropped this edition, wonder if any of this will pull him back in?

 Captain Avatar wrote:
I think the rumour about a seperate allies book was met with such vehemence by the 40k community that GW realized that such a seperation would cause this release to fail.

Because GW have been putting so much effort lately into recognising and responding to community feedback...

 insaniak wrote:

 Captain Avatar wrote:
I think the rumour about a seperate allies book was met with such vehemence by the 40k community that GW realized that such a seperation would cause this release to fail.

Because GW have been putting so much effort lately into recognising and responding to community feedback...

True, it doesn't take a lot of effort to hire a few interns to go onto the forums and white knight for their products.

Seriously, there has been a fair amount of annecdotal evidence to suggest that they have been trying to respond to requests from the fan/player base. Its how they implement their responses that makes it seem like they are ignoring the warhammer community. It's almost like GW is trying to teach us "to be careful what you wish for".

 Captain Avatar wrote:

Seriously, there has been a fair amount of annecdotal evidence to suggest that they have been trying to respond to requests from the fan/player base.

Yeah. Really apparent in the move with 6th edition to a tighter, more tournament-friendly rule set with fewer random elements, the huge increase in hobby articles in white dwarf, the spread of digital downloads beyond apple products and the reversal of the trend towards more of the range being direct only...

Well. Those flyers. Ugh.

"Oh crap, I got this thing fully sculpted, but I forgot to model the missiles!" ... ... /SLAP ON TOP

Going to have to wait to see how people convert them to make them less ridiculous before I invest.

I can see the crisis suits maybe getting a sprue cleanup and maybe 1 added sprue of special weapons added in the box to justify bundling.

Hopefully the hammerhead gets buffed/doesn't get nerfed into the dirt because I will kill myself before hammering out that much for more broadsides at supposedly 85 points/pop. Hopefully my existing 2 are enough (and can stand up like a boss in small ruins).

No day 1 "OMG THAT IS SO COOL I'LL BUY BEFORE I SEE THE RULES" purchases for me on this one. Sign me up for a codex and we're good for a while I think.

 insaniak wrote:

 Captain Avatar wrote:

Seriously, there has been a fair amount of annecdotal evidence to suggest that they have been trying to respond to requests from the fan/player base.

Yeah. Really apparent in the move with 6th edition to a tighter, more tournament-friendly rule set with fewer random elements, the huge increase in hobby articles in white dwarf, the spread of digital downloads beyond apple products and the reversal of the trend towards more of the range being direct only...

Well I know my gaming community prefers the less stringent rules, more relaxed and random gaming style, as well as the hobby articles.

What's that saying again... oh yes: Only fight the battles you can win.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What's that saying again... oh yes: Only fight the battles you can win.

Unless you're a dumbass and fight battles you can go down swinging.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
3. Someone at the printing house or a distribution warehouse snuck a phone in, and not having time to frame and mount individual pages for clear photography in a light box, took some rushed photos while people weren't looking.

Snuck a phone in? You make it sound as if something underhanded is happening here.

It's. not uncommon for warehouses to prohibit phones - even just from a productivity standpoint. From a security standpoint - any printing house or warehouse dealing with media that has a street date will prohibit anything potentially housing a visual recording device. You might find it stupid, but people running companies don't

 Captain Avatar wrote:
First, glad that xv8's & fire warriors stay the same.

I like the Fire Warriors but would have preferred to see new sculpts for the Crisis Suits. As for expectations, well, both the Necron and DE lines were extensively redone so hoping that the Crisis Suits would follow didn't seem to be that wild an idea.

 Captain Avatar wrote:
Second, Dont care much for the Fliers but agree with those that suggest removing the struts that connect the front wings to the rear stabilizers and changing the missile mounts.

Possibly, but I still think GW pretty much screwed the pooch here. The thing that irritates me most about the new flier is that the front section looks too much like the Ork Bomma, except streamlined instead of junky. I think FW models substituted in is the best approach here. Ya know? The more I look at them, the more my mind is boggled. :/

 Captain Avatar wrote:
Third, Rip-tide. Really don't like it being super heavy (near Titan) sized (such a large unit seems contrary to the Tau design philosophy of economy of resources), but am happy that it has a wound characteristic. (An oversized walker/dreadnought does not fit the Tau theme).

I disagree here. An upsized Crisis Suit is perfectly in keeping with their design theme even though Titan level walkers are not. I think as long as this is the upper limit, everything will be fine. I also like it better than the Crisis Suits, at least visually.

 Captain Avatar wrote:
Fourth, Pathfinders. Already have pleanty of the old pewter pieces. might get a box if there are new weapon options or to get the drones to use as a template for building my own from scratch.

Well, if you already have plenty then you don't need the new stuff, I guess. I'm glad to see them move to plastic as it allows more poseability and conversion opportunities.

 Captain Avatar wrote:
Fifth, About the Kroot & Vespid. IF, the Kroot and Vespid are now treated as in codex allies, this would allow the Tau to have a unique way of exceeding the FOC restrictions.(I reaaly hope that this is what is happening.

I don't see them being treated as allies in the rulebook sense of the term. I do seem them being "unlocked" by purchasing special characters. Still, I dislike the asthetic of the Vespid so I won't be getting any even if they are good. I like the Kroot and hope the rumors of the new beastie are true. Being that the Crisis Suits weren't updated, I don't expect the sculpts to change for the existing Kroot. Plastic Kroothounds/Krootox would be nice, though.

 Captain Avatar wrote:
Sixth, IMO, Depending on which way GW goes with the Stealthsuits and the Alien auxilla, This codex will either be almost Necron good or 5th ed Tyranid bad. I don't think that it will fall in the middle, GW's history suggests that it will either be a big hit or a horrible miss.

I... don't see the Tau becoming a powerful army. For a long time I've felt that GW preferred them to be merely adequate. I'd be suprised if this changes in April.

Seventh Broadsides. Think that I'll be investing in the Forge World pieces.

Is there any rumours about pulse weapons? Are they going to do anything to make carbines useful?

 Rolt wrote:
Don't know if anyone posted these: (via belloflostsouls)

Spoiler:

Tau
There has been a lot of information coming in this week regarding Tau. Some of what we have seen this week is conflicting, and I am going to go over some of the highlights here, of course more detail can be found over on Faeit 212, and in the Bols Lounge

Lets start with the most controversial.....

Broadsides
*Broadsides are Slow and Purposeful, 2+ and T4 now.
*They come with twin linked Rail Guns str8 ap1 railguns and can take plasma or missiles as well.
*They have a suit upgrade that let's them at the start of a shooting phase have skyfire.
*They don't have interceptor, nor do they snap fire ground targets.
*Can Splitfire still
*85pts- that includes base cost + skyfire upgrade

Rail Weapons
Rail Rifle S6 AP3
Rail Gun S8 AP1
Rail Cannon S10 AP1

Fire Warriors
*Have the option for all Firewarrior units within 6" to fire Overwatch
*Have a new special HQ
*Apparently this can potentially be 4 if the Fire Warrior special character is also attached.
*A character that allows Firewarriors to consolidate after Overwatch

Uber Suit
*The Tau uber suit is called "Riptide"
*Is a Jump Monstrous Creature
*rumored to be around 165 base but only start with twin-linked Plasma.
*Conflicting Reports but looks like its found in the Elite Foc
*Can take an Ion Accelerator upgrade: three S7 AP3 shots or one S8 AP2 Large Blast.
*There's supposedly a special rule on the Riptide called Nova Accelerator which can do 4 things:
1.Buff weaponry (unsure how or which weapons)
2.Double the shots of support weapons (missile pods ect)
3.Increase invulnerable save to 3++
4.Boost a stat

Tau Codex Author
*Jeremy Vetock

Model Releases Alongside the codex ( Looks like April 6th)
*Riptide large suit
*Flyer dual kit (fighter and bomber)
*New Battlesuit and Broadside models (not sure if these dual kit or not)
*Plastic Pathfinders
*A new Fire Warrior HQ (not sure if the special character mentioned above or a generic one)

Again no Kroot stuff at all, maybe there've been dropped from the new codex and been added to that rumored allies book.

Enjoy

This is basically all the rumors we had in the last week.

I am loving all the new tau minis in these pics!

Sure they are a bit pricey, but we all know GW is an expensive hobby and that is partly made up for by the decently priced (by GW standards) pathfinder box.

Compared to recent releases (I am looking at you Necron Immortals/Deathmarks and Lychguard/Praetorians at £20.50 for 5 models) £20.50 for 10 Pathfinders and 3 Drones is a bargain!

I will be definately getting my hands on some of these guys as I played Tau in 3rd edition and had an absolute blast with them.

I will most likely get the codex on release day as my birthday present to myself (the codex should be out 2 weeks after my birthday) and then the battleforce and a second fire warrior squad later on depending on funds.

Next would be broadsides, pathfinders, more battle suits and hammerheads. Plus sky rays and fliers and more piranhas if they are decent. Plus a riptide as that thing looks sick!!

I was considering a necron army, but these pics are what I have been waiting for to get me back into the fold of the Greater Good. Plus, unlike the necrons, I can ally the Tau with my main army (Eldar).

EDIT: I am not worried about the lack of Kroot/Vespid so far. I am sure they will be in the codex in some form plus I am more of a fan of the Tau asthetic than theirs anyway.

The riptide looks better than I would expect it to look, and anyone notice how easy it would be to turn the new flyer into a flying wing! awesome! (hurriely runs off to store to buy plasticard) I will probably mount the missiles on the bottom. I wish they did minor adjustments on the XV8 though.

Can someone post a pic of these new flyers everyone is talking about?

They're not in the OP, and I'm not digging through 28 pages of discussion to find the page with them on.

Page 15 mate.

Pics are broken for me.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Can someone post a pic of these new flyers everyone is talking about?

They're not in the OP, and I'm not digging through 28 pages of discussion to find the page with them on.

This is from OP, somewhere after the middle of the post:

17.3.2013

Snufflesms wrote:

Just look a little better next time

 Crimson wrote:
Is there any rumours about pulse weapons? Are they going to do anything to make carbines useful?

There's a really old rumor that pulse carbines were going to Assault 2 and a slightly less old rumor that pulse carbines would lose pinning but gain Blind. Other than that, nothing I've seen.

 Kroothawk wrote:
For convenience, I updoaded and enlarged the pics:

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
This is from OP, somewhere after the middle of the post:

17.3.2013

Snufflesms wrote:

Just look a little better next time

Same to you
Those links are broken because Warseer removed all pics.

They dropped the Kroot and Devilfish from the BF and put in a Pirhanna and two more Crisis Suits. Guess you need to decide which way you want to go before the end of March, eh?

 Breotan wrote:

 Captain Avatar wrote:
First, glad that xv8's & fire warriors stay the same.

I like the Fire Warriors but would have preferred to see new sculpts for the Crisis Suits. As for expectations, well, both the Necron and DE lines were extensively redone so hoping that the Crisis Suits would follow didn't seem to be that wild an idea.

 Captain Avatar wrote:
Second, Dont care much for the Fliers but agree with those that suggest removing the struts that connect the front wings to the rear stabilizers and changing the missile mounts.

Possibly, but I still think GW pretty much screwed the pooch here. The thing that irritates me most about the new flier is that the front section looks too much like the Ork Bomma, except streamlined instead of junky. I think FW models substituted in is the best approach here. Ya know? The more I look at them, the more my mind is boggled. :/

That's exactly what I thought too.

Some new pics.









A few pages back now I think someone pointed out the new leaked pics are the same terrible quality every month. I'd like to put my tinfoil hat on for a second and add that these look like a fan leak, the others are really terrible quality and only ever seem to lower expectations.

 jonolikespie wrote:

Interesting. Looks like a new design of weapon on the Pathfinders(I spot a Rail Rifle, some Pulse Carbines, and what look to be shotguns or some kind of energy projector). The larger middle "drone" as well looks like it somehow plugs into the Devilfish where the tank commander's cupola normally is placed.
Do we know what the two new kinds of drones do as well?
One looks suspiciously close to Shadowsun's command and control drone while the other looks like a shield drone of some kind.

So farsight's new model is EXACTLY the sculpt we had photos of a while back.

Well, there's your answer if you want new suits, buy up 15 farsights and swap the weapons to whatever you want.

Gah. I wish we could tell if the Broadsides will be on 60mm bases, or if I can go ahead and order a squad from Forgeworld.