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 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Fezman wrote:
Cheers, people.

When I saw the price for the new suit I hurried over to the GW site...sure enough, if you want Broadsides, the Broadside upgrade sprues are still available, and the new suit makes their price look reasonable.

Does it? It's £24.5 for a Crisis Suit + Broadside upgrade pack.

Compared to that, it's not so bad paying £30 for a new suit that is something like 50% bulkier, actually looks like it deserves a 2+ save compared to the Crisis' 3+, comes with oodles of new upgrade parts and doesn't involve filling in air bubbles and trying to heat-bend two Failcast railguns into a straight line.

All fair points, I should point out that I was already collecting a Tau army (99% unassembled at the moment) and put it on hold when the new book started to look imminent, so I did already have the Battlesuits to use them on.

As for miscasts...that is certainly a gamble with direct only stuff.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Fezman wrote:
Cheers, people.

When I saw the price for the new suit I hurried over to the GW site...sure enough, if you want Broadsides, the Broadside upgrade sprues are still available, and the new suit makes their price look reasonable.

Does it? It's £24.5 for a Crisis Suit + Broadside upgrade pack.

Compared to that, it's not so bad paying £30 for a new suit that is something like 50% bulkier, actually looks like it deserves a 2+ save compared to the Crisis' 3+, comes with oodles of new upgrade parts and doesn't involve filling in air bubbles and trying to heat-bend two Failcast railguns into a straight line.

The cheapest broadsides right now is to buy a whole metal broadsides kit, then get a torso, head and legs from a bitz site and making 1 crisis and 1 broadsides out of the box. The price per suit is quite a bit lower that way.

 Rented Tritium wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Fezman wrote:
Cheers, people.

When I saw the price for the new suit I hurried over to the GW site...sure enough, if you want Broadsides, the Broadside upgrade sprues are still available, and the new suit makes their price look reasonable.

Does it? It's £24.5 for a Crisis Suit + Broadside upgrade pack.

Compared to that, it's not so bad paying £30 for a new suit that is something like 50% bulkier, actually looks like it deserves a 2+ save compared to the Crisis' 3+, comes with oodles of new upgrade parts and doesn't involve filling in air bubbles and trying to heat-bend two Failcast railguns into a straight line.

The cheapest broadsides right now is to buy a whole metal broadsides kit, then get a torso, head and legs from a bitz site and making 1 crisis and 1 broadsides out of the box. The price per suit is quite a bit lower that way.

Also you could get the FW Broadsides. They are the same price as what is shown in the box art pictures for the new Broadsides. And they come with 60mm bases. Granted you don't get all the potentially cool extra bits.

Well, being the source of this No Alien on Tau Codex a e-mail on the Faeit account, im not going to believe, Naftka actually nailed some things, but the ones who were also confirmed on Warseer and ATT. I`ll pick no salt, since i dont believe anything this rumor says, Broadside are going to become Anti-Air unir ¿Why do they need a Blast? Simple, no way its gonna happen.

And even if it were to be true, i will gladly exchange that blast wich im not goin to use most games, to take Kroots and Vespids, specially if the last ones actually become a worthy unit to bring to the table.

Is there any idea if the Broadside unit size is changing? I find it odd that three model infantry unit is going to cost $150.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Is there any idea if the Broadside unit size is changing? I find it odd that three model infantry unit is going to cost $150.

GW charges $100 for 4 Bloodknights (even smaller then Broadsides), so that isn't odd for them at all.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Is there any idea if the Broadside unit size is changing? I find it odd that three model infantry unit is going to cost $150.

Slightly cheaper than a 3 man Carnifex squad, and it looks like they are going to a 60mm base so it would not be unheard of.

I love Tau models, always have, but does anyone else feel the giant gundam suit is pretty silly? I understand the manga aesthetic of the army, but the model looks like a ridiculous kitbash to me.

Thokt wrote:
I love Tau models, always have, but does anyone else feel the giant gundam suit is pretty silly? I understand the manga aesthetic of the army, but the model looks like a ridiculous kitbash to me.

Most kitbashes wouldn't have scrawny legs with the entire mech supported by it's tip toes.

I don't think it's silly though. There is plenty of sources with giant support mechs.

Thokt wrote:
I love Tau models, always have, but does anyone else feel the giant gundam suit is pretty silly? I understand the manga aesthetic of the army, but the model looks like a ridiculous kitbash to me.

The head looks completely disproportionate to the rest of the body. I wish its shoulder pauldrons was beefier. Other then that, the suit looks fine to me. Aesthetics can be subjective of course.

Well if you think about it, a bigger head isnt needed and may be a detriment. All you need is the sensor on the eye, a small head can performe it just well enough.

That's something I never understood about the suit. People complain that the head looks too small. Why would it be big? It's only fashioned as a head because that's how humanoids associate the orientation with vision. It's just a sensor array though, would it really need anything larger than a Crisis suit?

I agree. I honestly always thought the head on the Crisis Suit itself was somewhat too big, since the pilot's head is actually inside the torso of the suit-- I believe the horizontal line just above the armor seam on the suit's upper torso is supposed to be an emergency vision slit for the pilot.

Weak Ankle Syndrome will be the downfall of the Riptide.

GW literally gave it the same ankle/foot design as the regular Crisis suit.

I'm surprised the thing even stands upright on it's own at all.

So there rumor is that there is no non-Tau units in the new book. Does that worry anyone else that are unit selection (which was already really low compared to most armies) just go lower. I mean of the top of my head this is what I can see per slot.

HQ: Farsight, Shadowsun, Ethreal, Aun-shi, Fireblades

Elites: Crisis Suits, Riptide

Troops:Firewarriors, Stealthsuits, Devilfish

Fast: Sunshark, Razorshark, Pirahana, Pathfinders

Heavy: Broadsides, Hammerhead, Skyray, Snipers Team??

Did I miss anything? I hope I did because that is a really thin list. Chaos Space Marines have a list of elites almost as big as our codex so far. I'm just very concerned.

Unless there are more units that arent in there.

Coyote81 wrote:
So there rumor is that there is no non-Tau units in the new book. Does that worry anyone else that are unit selection (which was already really low compared to most armies) just go lower. I mean of the top of my head this is what I can see per slot.

Rumors are mixed, but I have faith in neko's claim that Kroot and Vespid will still be in the book.

Stealth as troops sounds excellent as long as they reduce their costs a little. My friend will finally be able to make the "all battlesuit" list he's always wanted.

Are there pics of the new broadsides or do I have to wade through 50 pages of thread for a second time?

More importantly, would it be out of the question for someone to possibly repost them as a reply if they're available rather then telling me "they're on the last 3 quarters of page 37 idiot, buy some glasses"? I'd very much appreciate that, but I'm not holding out much hope.

It would be really great if Kroothawk got to make this thread, he always keeps his roundups and OPs up-to-date. :p

 scarletsquig wrote:
Are there pics of the new broadsides or do I have to wade through 50 pages of thread for a second time?

More importantly, would it be out of the question for someone to possibly repost them as a reply if they're available rather then telling me "they're on the last 3 quarters of page 37 idiot, buy some glasses"? I'd very much appreciate that, but I'm not holding out much hope.

It would be really great if Kroothawk got to make this thread, he always keeps his roundups and OPs up-to-date. :p

Have you tried the first page? They usually update that with the latest and greatest updates.

Had to check myself. It is on the first page. We haven't gotten new pics outside the initial and second sets.

 Rented Tritium wrote:
If they end up taking out kroot temporarily until an allies book comes out, you can always play with your kroot models as "counts as" ork allies. The result will be VERY similar on the table.

Thats why I own almost 200 kroot minis

Pretty sure the Kroot and Vespids are still there, the entire argument that they are not is based on the fact that we haven't seen them pop up in any photos, but thats not really a strong argument, as they are trying to primarily showcase the new minis, not remind people of whats been available for a decade now.

Coyote81 wrote:
So there rumor is that there is no non-Tau units in the new book. Does that worry anyone else that are unit selection (which was already really low compared to most armies) just go lower. I mean of the top of my head this is what I can see per slot.

HQ: Farsight, Shadowsun, Ethreal, Aun-shi, Fireblades

Elites: Crisis Suits, Riptide

Troops:Firewarriors, Stealthsuits, Devilfish

Fast: Sunshark, Razorshark, Pirahana, Pathfinders

Heavy: Broadsides, Hammerhead, Skyray, Snipers Team??

Did I miss anything? I hope I did because that is a really thin list. Chaos Space Marines have a list of elites almost as big as our codex so far. I'm just very concerned.

Well I think Kroot and vespid will be in the book as well as gun drones. Also consider the inherent mutability of our crisis suits means that we can take 2 very different units depending on weapon load outs.

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Stealth as troops sounds excellent as long as they reduce their costs a little. My friend will finally be able to make the "all battlesuit" list he's always wanted.

I don't think this is very likely, to be honest-- especially since the Tau Elites slot looks rather barren without Stealth Suits, with only Crisis Suits and the new Riptide. It's certainly possible for a book to only have two choices in a slot, but I would be surprised to see it. It seems likely to me that the Codex will look more like this:

HQ (4 generic options, 4-5 special characters):
Commander Shas'el, Commander Shas'O, Commander Farsight, Commander Shadowsun (I doubt these will remain 1+ choices)
Ethereal, Aun'Shi, Aun'Va
Cadre Fireblade, potentially the Pathfinder character (Nightstrider) if he isn't an upgrade character

Elites (3 generic options):
Crisis Battlesuit Team
Stealthsuit Team
Riptide Battlesuit

Troops (2 generic options)
Tau Fire Warrior Team
Kroot Carnivore Squad

Fast Attack (5-6 generic options, 0-1 special character)
Razorshark Fighter
Sunshark Bomber (if not Heavy Support)
Piranha
Pathfinders (with Nightstrider if he is an upgrade character)
Gun Drone Team (potentially with other new Drone options added)
Vespid Stingwing Strain

Heavy Support (4-5 generic options, 1 special character)
Sunshark Bomber (if not Fast Attack)
Broadside Battlesuit Team
Sniper Drone Team
Hammerhead Gunship (with special tank commander upgrade option)
Skyray Missile Defense Gunship (potentially with special tank commander upgrade option)

Under that model Fast Attack looks like a much more densely packed slot than Heavy Support, so I suspect the bomber will be a Heavy Support rather than Fast Attack unit. Also it may be possible to move Pathfinders to Troops with Nightstrider. I doubt that Stealthsuits will move to Troops because many armies have few Troops options (most Space Marine books only have two, albeit potentially with force organization swaps), but to the best of my knowledge no armies have only two Elites choices. Even Sisters, with their White Dwarf Codex, have three.

It's also possible that the Cadre Fireblade will be an Elites option similar to Ecclesiarchy Preachers in the Sisters book, but I doubt this will happen.

 Kingsley wrote:

Wolfnid420 wrote:
So, anyone think that Tau will get some sort of access to the psychic charts without taking allies?

I doubt it. There were earlier rumors of a new race in the Tau Empire that would have psychic abilities but I suspect it would have leaked with the other WD stuff by now if that were the case.

The main issue I could see is finding sculptors at GW willing to make what looks like a cross between a polar bear and a flounder and people willing to buy them.

Niccassar work for Battlefleet Gothic, don't work where people can see their goofy appearance.

Well based on the fact that all the battle boxes (Except for DA, unless you make the speeder into Sammel) come with two troop choices. And the new Tau battle box comes with Crisis suits, stealth suits, and fire warriors (not enough for two units from what I remember) and a piranha. One of those units has to become troops as well. I think it will be stealthsuits.

Coyote81 wrote:
Well based on the fact that all the battle boxes (Except for DA, unless you make the speeder into Sammel) come with two troop choices.

That isn't true, though. The Imperial Guard, Chaos Space Marines, and Dark Angels Battleforces all have only one Troops unit.

 Kingsley wrote:

Coyote81 wrote:
Well based on the fact that all the battle boxes (Except for DA, unless you make the speeder into Sammel) come with two troop choices.

That isn't true, though. The Imperial Guard, Chaos Space Marines, and Dark Angels Battleforces all have only one Troops unit.

For the Imperial Guard Battle Force though, one can just use the infantry squads as (ill equiped) Veteran squads. I think most likely GW expects players to split the Fire Warriors into two squads.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Ravengardt from Faeit 212 inbox wrote:- Aliens are out. No Kroot, no nothing.
- There will be some kind of supplement with alien allies. With Kroot,
Vespids and a race described in "The Greater Good" novel. I don't know
when, I don't know if it's a codex or WD thing or anything.
- Broadside Railguns can choose each round if: Str 8 Ap1/ Str 6 AP3 blast
- Tank/ Riptide Railguns have Str 10 AP1, I don't know about the fire
modes.
- Tank commander gives skyfire to the tanks

No Aliens sounds odd. Riptide Railgun sounds odd as well.

This is just silly -sounds like serious wishlist to me.
Goes against most everything we have heard.

Moving on are there any decent pics of.the broadside any where?
I.have been considering moddding my xv9 for them, also looking for more details on their weapon loadouts

Honestly though, it really seems like we're missing some Force Org manipulation here, I mean, unless that's a strictly SM thing.

I kinda like that, It fits with the tau having a rigid combat doctrine.
Now. I have to see if i cant remove the hatch from my devilfish for the new giant drone.