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I am very much looking forward. Im going ot run them in a tourney the saturday after they come out.

My goal is to get a game in with them on release day if possible

I would like that, but i want to get into the meat and potatos of it. Mostly i want to read the fluff.
Im even getting a friend to take me down to pick up the pre-order i got so he can know what he faces.

davethepak wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
If the vespid rumor of having a 4+ save si true im going to have to find a way get around the hideous wings.

I too could not stand the stock wings on those things - I replaced mine with some insect wings (dragonfly I think) that i found online, and have seen a few other conversions out there as well.

I like the models overall, and hope that the new vespid are decent.

I'd rather get plasticard & some FW/PF boxes, convert jetpacks onto those bad boys, with neutron blaster extensions to some carbines.

Alabaster.clown wrote:
I can't take my 2500 points and play against current flyer spam and stand a snowballs chance in hell without investing more money on new models. Can you? Is my original point valid?

You couldn't use your 4th edition army successfully against 5th edition mech spam either.

Editions bring change. This is probably the pissiest rant I've ever seen.

Wait, Why does a Riptide need a Target lock...Unless.....THEY CAN BE TAKEN IN SQUADS!!!!

Nahh, I bet it means you can split fire.

davethepak wrote:

 JGrand wrote:

I'm not sure I agree. In my eyes, skimmers are extremely strong in the current edition of the game thanks to their great mobility and free 5+ save. Further, in 4th edition fast skimmers were completely broken. Disruption pods in the current Codex are completely broken. I can easily see a Devilfish being worth its present costs based on changes to the Devilfish itself, to Fire Warriors (if pulse carbines become Assault 2, Fish of Fury is back in a crazy way), to the "Warfish" upgrade suite, etc.

Overall I think we should wait for the book before getting too worked up. Will there be some upheaval in what units are popular and good? Of course-- but this always happens with a new Codex.

I don't see why people even care. The vast majority of transports suck in 6th. It saves money to not have to buy one for every squad too.

Two things;

1 - because if your quote is true, and transports suck, then I would rather pay 35 points instead of 80 for them, especially with troops that only have a 4+ save.

2 - Transports don't suck, people just don't like running things with hit points - find someone who plays both nids and non-nids for better perspective.

Here is hoping the book is good.

If its not, I am going to work on a business plan, start a kickstarter, but gw and turn them back into a good GAME workshop....

Ok as a Nid player and an SM player (Blood Angels) I can say that Transports are really helpful. Slogging up the board being shot every turn and not having something that can absorb some of that damage can really hurt.

Lets use stats for this. So lets say to kill a rhino it takes 5 shots (from weapons that can deal that) So about 2 squads worth of shooting at times. That is 5+ shots aimed at the transport making it's life a living hell. Thats ok though because you know the squishy(ish) guys inside are going to get the points back for that one transport no problem. So you play it a bit safe and you throw it into cover, and keep it relitively safe so that it can take more punishment then the average (of 5 shots) Now you can pay 35 points for something that you KNOW is going to die (and when it does can become GREAT cover for the objective) or you can pay 80 points and lose out on an entire squad of firepower that can turn the tide better than the transport. Your choice.

I think I found something very positive and ground breaking just sitting in the middle of GWs website.

Note the picture in the pre-orders for the codex.

Is it just me, or does it look like shas'uis are BS4 compared to the BS3 of the shas'la??



EDITED: Mixed up my FW ranks

 mh_mini wrote:
I think I found something very positive and ground breaking just sitting in the middle of GWs website.

Note the picture in the pre-orders for the codex.

Is it just me, or does it look like shas'las are BS4 compared to the BS3 of the shas'ui??

Can't really tell, but If I had to squint... looks BS3 to me.

Tough to say, though, there does appear to be a difference between each little blur, so it's possible that the Shas'Ui (I believe you mixed those two up, probably out of excitement) is indeed BS4 versus BS3 for Shas'la, which means all suits would be BS4...which would be fething awesome, about damn time.

If i had to guess, I would say it's still BS3, I just don't see GW throwing Tau that colossal of bone to be honest.

(edited for honesty's sake)

In the blown up version i feel its even harder to tell but when i look at them I see enough of a difference between the 2 stats that I am kinda ready to believe its a 4

On a side note, what's with that Fire Warrior's head, does it look funny to anybody else?

Maybe we will get new FW in a wave 2.....but i think its just a bad angle the pic was drawn lol


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Oh n on a super side note totally off topic......

im a watercaste negotiater.....lame....i miss being a sniper drone for sure lol

Im more interested in the fact that they have supporting Fire Base.

Wolfnid420 wrote:


im a watercaste negotiater.....lame....i miss being a sniper drone for sure lol

Lolz, i would too!

I really doubt there would be new FW's in wave 2 just due to the fact that so many new people will be buying the fire warriors out now to start a new army of Tau with these new mini's, would be a pain!

Yeah, probably just a funky angle know that I've looked at it some more.

Noctem wrote:
I really doubt there would be new FW's in wave 2 just due to the fact that so many new people will be buying the fire warriors out now to start a new army of Tau with these new mini's, would be a pain!

Haha this is probably true and it would make sooooooooo many people mad lol unless the new FW models are the ones shown in the battleforce?

Wolfnid420 wrote:
In the blown up version i feel its even harder to tell but when i look at them I see enough of a difference between the 2 stats that I am kinda ready to believe its a 4

I blew it up to 200% and just looked at the pixels. If you look at the blocks that make up the WS 2 for both entries, while heavily pixilated and pretty much unreadable, had the same dark pixel patterns for both the numbers. However, the BS pixels had different color blocks in what should have been the same locations, meaning to me that they are two different numbers, even if you can't read what they actually are.

However, this by no means that suits will be BS 4. Numbers will be whatever the author wants them to be, regardless of what its called.

 Jayden63 wrote:

Wolfnid420 wrote:
In the blown up version i feel its even harder to tell but when i look at them I see enough of a difference between the 2 stats that I am kinda ready to believe its a 4

I blew it up to 200% and just looked at the pixels. If you look at the blocks that make up the WS 2 for both entries, while heavily pixilated and pretty much unreadable, had the same dark pixel patterns for both the numbers. However, the BS pixels had different color blocks in what should have been the same locations, meaning to me that they are two different numbers, even if you can't read what they actually are.

However, this by no means that suits will be BS 4. Numbers will be whatever the author wants them to be, regardless of what its called.

(I did mix up 'ui and 'la in my first post)
Still though, the Shas'ui isn't going to have lower BS than a 'la? So showing that BS goes up with rank potentially cant be a bad thing considering the shas'ui and shas'vre and higher XVs?

 Jayden63 wrote:

Wolfnid420 wrote:
In the blown up version i feel its even harder to tell but when i look at them I see enough of a difference between the 2 stats that I am kinda ready to believe its a 4

I blew it up to 200% and just looked at the pixels. If you look at the blocks that make up the WS 2 for both entries, while heavily pixilated and pretty much unreadable, had the same dark pixel patterns for both the numbers. However, the BS pixels had different color blocks in what should have been the same locations, meaning to me that they are two different numbers, even if you can't read what they actually are.

However, this by no means that suits will be BS 4. Numbers will be whatever the author wants them to be, regardless of what its called.

While technically you are correct, a BS4 Shas'ui Fire Warrior does not mean that a Shas'Ui suit will also be BS4, the author can make it whatever he likes. However, it would be the height of asinine to have a Shas'Ui Fire Warrior have a better BS than his XV8 clad Shas'Ui counterpart.

I would dare to say that GW would not be that illogical. Yes, I said it.

(edited for spelling/grammar)

 mh_mini wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:

Wolfnid420 wrote:
In the blown up version i feel its even harder to tell but when i look at them I see enough of a difference between the 2 stats that I am kinda ready to believe its a 4

I blew it up to 200% and just looked at the pixels. If you look at the blocks that make up the WS 2 for both entries, while heavily pixilated and pretty much unreadable, had the same dark pixel patterns for both the numbers. However, the BS pixels had different color blocks in what should have been the same locations, meaning to me that they are two different numbers, even if you can't read what they actually are.

However, this by no means that suits will be BS 4. Numbers will be whatever the author wants them to be, regardless of what its called.

(I did mix up 'ui and 'la in my first post)
Still though, the Shas'ui isn't going to have lower BS than a 'la? So showing that BS goes up with rank potentially cant be a bad thing considering the shas'ui and shas'vre and higher XVs?

@jayden Your right!!!! he could completely go against the fluff by upping the 'Ui of the FW and not all the other 'Ui's accross the board.......I guess he could justify it by being proficient with a weapon they've been using but.......come on.....


@ mh_mini It could be a GREAT thing!!! though if it went +1 for each rank our 'Os could be a lil OP......though.....having the shootiest army in the game IMO totally justifies a NON special character to have a BS7(i think i added that right)

Im too damn giddy over this new release! I really hope they dont do something stupidly slowed to make me wanna burn my dex instead of play it......luckily theres not a whole lot of things that could make me do that


hahaha ^^ "slowed" i forgot it does that....

well one can only hope,

If i squint it does look more like a 4 than a 3.

it would be nice. However the wait will soon be over.

Wolfnid420 wrote:

 mh_mini wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:

Wolfnid420 wrote:
In the blown up version i feel its even harder to tell but when i look at them I see enough of a difference between the 2 stats that I am kinda ready to believe its a 4

I blew it up to 200% and just looked at the pixels. If you look at the blocks that make up the WS 2 for both entries, while heavily pixilated and pretty much unreadable, had the same dark pixel patterns for both the numbers. However, the BS pixels had different color blocks in what should have been the same locations, meaning to me that they are two different numbers, even if you can't read what they actually are.

However, this by no means that suits will be BS 4. Numbers will be whatever the author wants them to be, regardless of what its called.

Your right!!!! he could completely go against the fluff by upping the 'Ui of the FW and not all the other 'Ui's accross the board.......I guess he could justify it by being proficient with a weapon they've been using but.......come on.....

(I did mix up 'ui and 'la in my first post)
Still though, the Shas'ui isn't going to have lower BS than a 'la? So showing that BS goes up with rank potentially cant be a bad thing considering the shas'ui and shas'vre and higher XVs?

It could be a GREAT thing!!! though if it went +1 for each rank our 'Os could be a lil OP......though.....having the shootiest army in the game IMO totally justifies a NON special character to have a BS7(i think i added that right)

Im too damn giddy over this new release! I really hope they dont do something stupidly slowed to make me wanna burn my dex instead of play it......luckily theres not a whole lot of things that could make me do that


hahaha ^^ "slowed" i forgot it does that....

Why was red text inserted into my post?

The red text is My response to what the guy above said.....i wasnt really sure of an easier way to do that! Sorry if I confused anyone!

Personally I'd like BS3 Shas'ui and BS4 Shas'vre, gives you interesting options for shoving in a one off say, fusion blaster, on the 'vre in a battlesuit team to give them more versatility and let the one off weapon be more likely to hit when you really need it to.

It would also make the Farsight uber-bodyguard (assuming it is in the new codex) a very cool unique Farsight option.

Wolfnid420 wrote:
The red text is My response to what the guy above said.....i wasnt really sure of an easier way to do that! Sorry if I confused anyone!

I'm no expert here, note my post count lol, but im pretty sure you would just use multi-quote and address them one at a time.

 Drunkspleen wrote:
Personally I'd like BS3 Shas'ui and BS4 Shas'vre, gives you interesting options for shoving in a one off say, fusion blaster, on the 'vre in a battlesuit team to give them more versatility and let the one off weapon be more likely to hit when you really need it to.

It would also make the Farsight uber-bodyguard (assuming it is in the new codex) a very cool unique Farsight option.

^^^
This. BS4 Shas'Vre is something I see as very possible. It would bring a new dynamic, and IMO is far more likely than a BS4 Shas'Ui. The Farsight Bomb could be pretty damn lethal.

Curious, would people use Shadowsun at her current point cost and rules if she was given IC status?

She's very expensive, it'd be great to be able to grant stealth and shrouded to a unit of your choice, but then, her + 3 drones all at T3 is enough to drag a Crisis Team's majority toughness down, for at least the first round of fire the unit takes (presumably you would let those shield drones die off quick smart).

I still kind of feel like she is missing something though to really justify that cost.

 Shas'O...Crap wrote:

 Drunkspleen wrote:
Personally I'd like BS3 Shas'ui and BS4 Shas'vre, gives you interesting options for shoving in a one off say, fusion blaster, on the 'vre in a battlesuit team to give them more versatility and let the one off weapon be more likely to hit when you really need it to.

It would also make the Farsight uber-bodyguard (assuming it is in the new codex) a very cool unique Farsight option.

^^^
This. BS4 Shas'Vre is something I see as very possible. It would bring a new dynamic, and IMO is far more likely than a BS4 Shas'Ui. The Farsight Bomb could be pretty damn lethal.

There is also the fact that we are just assuming that the upgrade firewarrior is an Shas'ui. The second line could just say Team Leader and all firewarriors are still listed as Shas'la, only the team leader might have different stats. There is nothing in that pic that shows the second stat line to be Shas'ui. I am only able to comment on the information that is shown, and all I am willing to say is that the two stat lines do appear to have different BS skills.