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 Jayden63 wrote:

 Shas'O...Crap wrote:

 Drunkspleen wrote:
Personally I'd like BS3 Shas'ui and BS4 Shas'vre, gives you interesting options for shoving in a one off say, fusion blaster, on the 'vre in a battlesuit team to give them more versatility and let the one off weapon be more likely to hit when you really need it to.

It would also make the Farsight uber-bodyguard (assuming it is in the new codex) a very cool unique Farsight option.

^^^
This. BS4 Shas'Vre is something I see as very possible. It would bring a new dynamic, and IMO is far more likely than a BS4 Shas'Ui. The Farsight Bomb could be pretty damn lethal.

There is also the fact that we are just assuming that the upgrade firewarrior is an Shas'ui. The second line could just say Team Leader and all firewarriors are still listed as Shas'la, only the team leader might have different stats. There is nothing in that pic that shows the second stat line to be Shas'ui. I am only able to comment on the information that is shown, and all I am willing to say is that the two stat lines do appear to have different BS skills.

Firewarriors have always had Shas'ui's though haven't they?

 mh_mini wrote:
I think I found something very positive and ground breaking just sitting in the middle of GWs website.

Note the picture in the pre-orders for the codex.

Is it just me, or does it look like shas'uis are BS4 compared to the BS3 of the shas'la??



EDITED: Mixed up my FW ranks

pg 25 of the White Dwarf shows that whole page. Albeit quite small. Looks like a 3 to me.

Noctem wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:

 Shas'O...Crap wrote:

 Drunkspleen wrote:
Personally I'd like BS3 Shas'ui and BS4 Shas'vre, gives you interesting options for shoving in a one off say, fusion blaster, on the 'vre in a battlesuit team to give them more versatility and let the one off weapon be more likely to hit when you really need it to.

It would also make the Farsight uber-bodyguard (assuming it is in the new codex) a very cool unique Farsight option.

^^^
This. BS4 Shas'Vre is something I see as very possible. It would bring a new dynamic, and IMO is far more likely than a BS4 Shas'Ui. The Farsight Bomb could be pretty damn lethal.

There is also the fact that we are just assuming that the upgrade firewarrior is an Shas'ui. The second line could just say Team Leader and all firewarriors are still listed as Shas'la, only the team leader might have different stats. There is nothing in that pic that shows the second stat line to be Shas'ui. I am only able to comment on the information that is shown, and all I am willing to say is that the two stat lines do appear to have different BS skills.

Firewarriors have always had Shas'ui's though haven't they?

Sure, its always been that way, up till now, things might be different come Saturday and for the next foreseeable future. Who knows what is in the new book, and just for an example we have Chaos squads that were always lead by Aspiring champions regardless of what unit they were in in the last CSM codex, but now they have noise champions, cultist champions, possessed champion, etc. Change happens.

The digital WD is also pretty clearly a 3 as well for the shas'ui.

 Jayden63 wrote:

Noctem wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:

 Shas'O...Crap wrote:

 Drunkspleen wrote:
Personally I'd like BS3 Shas'ui and BS4 Shas'vre, gives you interesting options for shoving in a one off say, fusion blaster, on the 'vre in a battlesuit team to give them more versatility and let the one off weapon be more likely to hit when you really need it to.

It would also make the Farsight uber-bodyguard (assuming it is in the new codex) a very cool unique Farsight option.

^^^
This. BS4 Shas'Vre is something I see as very possible. It would bring a new dynamic, and IMO is far more likely than a BS4 Shas'Ui. The Farsight Bomb could be pretty damn lethal.

There is also the fact that we are just assuming that the upgrade firewarrior is an Shas'ui. The second line could just say Team Leader and all firewarriors are still listed as Shas'la, only the team leader might have different stats. There is nothing in that pic that shows the second stat line to be Shas'ui. I am only able to comment on the information that is shown, and all I am willing to say is that the two stat lines do appear to have different BS skills.

Firewarriors have always had Shas'ui's though haven't they?

Sure, its always been that way, up till now, things might be different come Saturday and for the next foreseeable future. Who knows what is in the new book, and just for an example we have Chaos squads that were always lead by Aspiring champions regardless of what unit they were in in the last CSM codex, but now they have noise champions, cultist champions, possessed champion, etc. Change happens.

True, I guess I just don't see them messing with the Tau's squad rankings at all, since they seem like a very important thing in the fluff.

Noctem wrote:


True, I guess I just don't see them messing with the Tau's squad rankings at all, since they seem like a very important thing in the fluff.

Everything is important to the fluff, until it gets retconned out of existence. It already seems like we have seen some fluff changes in Farsights entry. Who knows what else has been happening to the background.

Necrons used to be soulless robots of pure unrelenting death. Now they have feelings, plans, schemes, and in some cases a pretty whiny pissed off at the universe attitude.

I like the new Necron fluff =( gives them more meaning lol

I dunno, Suits at BS4 would really open up a lot of options for me. Currently I field zero elite slots, and just use two HQ suits with bodyguard squads, simply because I hate twin linking just to get reliable shooting. Plasma Rifle/Mpod with targeting arrays is so much better than the alternatives. If they let me use them at BS4, I could actually play with a few of the various options available rather than just the usual suit spam. It's the same reason I dislike Hammerheads. I take them along when I'm facing a spammy army where I need templates, but if I need those solid rail hits I'd never take a Hammerhead over an XV-88 squad.

I'll adapt to whatever happens to the army, I've already got several plans Like taking my forgeworld XV-88's and popping on two missile pods magnetized to key locations down the body to make it look like that endless waltz missle gundam, because why not accept what's being shoved at you with open arms, right? But honestly I don't think that anyone up there really cares about Tau fluff when Ork alliances aren't Unholy Alliance at the absolute minimum, so I can't pretend I'm not concerned about what's coming down the pipe.

 Jayden63 wrote:

 Shas'O...Crap wrote:

 Drunkspleen wrote:
Personally I'd like BS3 Shas'ui and BS4 Shas'vre, gives you interesting options for shoving in a one off say, fusion blaster, on the 'vre in a battlesuit team to give them more versatility and let the one off weapon be more likely to hit when you really need it to.

It would also make the Farsight uber-bodyguard (assuming it is in the new codex) a very cool unique Farsight option.

^^^
This. BS4 Shas'Vre is something I see as very possible. It would bring a new dynamic, and IMO is far more likely than a BS4 Shas'Ui. The Farsight Bomb could be pretty damn lethal.

There is also the fact that we are just assuming that the upgrade firewarrior is an Shas'ui. The second line could just say Team Leader and all firewarriors are still listed as Shas'la, only the team leader might have different stats. There is nothing in that pic that shows the second stat line to be Shas'ui. I am only able to comment on the information that is shown, and all I am willing to say is that the two stat lines do appear to have different BS skills.

True, all of these are assumptions. Is it plausible it is a 'Team Leader', absolutely, though I doubt that it is the case, as it currently is a Shas'Ui, and I can't fathom a logical change to that, unless the Team Leader is a halfway upgrade to the Shas'Ui, like with other units in the current 4ED Dex, though we would likely have seen a third statline in that case, much like in the Dark Angels Codex regarding Sergeant versus Veteran Sergeant.

I agree that the two statlines do appear to have different shaped blurs which might be indicative of a different number. That being said, I find it highly unlikely that the Sha'Ui is BS4 (all we have are blurs to go off of after all). As I said in a previous post, I just can't imagine GW throwing Tau such a colossal bone, but it would awesome.

I can believe SOME orks being allied to tau.....riptides and broadsides are pretty big after all......

 Shas'O...Crap wrote:

I agree that the two statlines do appear to have different shaped blurs which might be indicative of a different number. That being said, I find it highly unlikely that the Sha'Ui is BS4 (all we have are blurs to go off of after all). As I said in a previous post, I just can't imagine GW throwing Tau such a colossal bone, but it would awesome.

They're really not that different with better resolution images (screencap from the digital WD; not sure if this breaks forum rules or not but if so feel free to remove the image):

its like they put that blurry image on the site to tease us!

I'd say it would have been an awesome April fool's joke, but we know GW doesn't hardly comprehend "humor" anymore, let alone "humor on the internetwork of computing devices"...

 Krinsath wrote:

 Shas'O...Crap wrote:

I agree that the two statlines do appear to have different shaped blurs which might be indicative of a different number. That being said, I find it highly unlikely that the Sha'Ui is BS4 (all we have are blurs to go off of after all). As I said in a previous post, I just can't imagine GW throwing Tau such a colossal bone, but it would awesome.

They're really not that different with better resolution images (screencap from the digital WD; not sure if this breaks forum rules or not but if so feel free to remove the image):

Having just now seen this particular image, I must say that my doubts about the Shas'Ui having BS4 were correct; looks like a 3 to me.

 Shas'O...Crap wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:

 Shas'O...Crap wrote:

I agree that the two statlines do appear to have different shaped blurs which might be indicative of a different number. That being said, I find it highly unlikely that the Sha'Ui is BS4 (all we have are blurs to go off of after all). As I said in a previous post, I just can't imagine GW throwing Tau such a colossal bone, but it would awesome.

They're really not that different with better resolution images (screencap from the digital WD; not sure if this breaks forum rules or not but if so feel free to remove the image):

Having just now seen this particular image, I must say that my doubts about the Shas'Ui having BS4 were correct; looks like a 3 to me.

hopes = dashed.

It's what I'm here for; spreading hate and discontent. Though yeah...would've been cool. Still looking forward to the release though.

 Krinsath wrote:
It's what I'm here for; spreading hate and discontent. Though yeah...would've been cool. Still looking forward to the release though.

Still hope for XV8s though.

One should know better than to hope with GW

Woot! 50 posts, Human Auxillary no longer!


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 mh_mini wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:
It's what I'm here for; spreading hate and discontent. Though yeah...would've been cool. Still looking forward to the release though.

Still hope for XV8s though.

If anything is going to get the BS boost from 3 to 4 it will be Shas'Vres, I just don't see them doing with all XV8s.

On the transports cost issue, didn't the new Dark Angels codex increase the base cost of the Rhino and/or Razorback? I'm sure on of my friends was muttering something about this.

 Jadenim wrote:
On the transports cost issue, didn't the new Dark Angels codex increase the base cost of the Rhino and/or Razorback? I'm sure on of my friends was muttering something about this.

Nope its still the same price as it was.

A strong list could overcome mediocre ballistic skill.

Also, depending on how the new Markerlights work, default BS3 stat line may not be an issue.

 Jadenim wrote:
On the transports cost issue, didn't the new Dark Angels codex increase the base cost of the Rhino and/or Razorback? I'm sure on of my friends was muttering something about this.

Base cost for Razorback went up 5 points (and is now 15 points more expensive than other Marine books), all other stayed same.

 Ledabot wrote:
Anybody looked at Sanctuary of Wyrms? I'm amazed that 3 tau books have come out now, when there were none before.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/sanctuary-of-wyrms-ebook.html

Isn’t 5 books recently but two of them have little Tau in. Firecast and The Greater Good are barely really Tau books.

 Jadenim wrote:
On the transports cost issue, didn't the new Dark Angels codex increase the base cost of the Rhino and/or Razorback? I'm sure on of my friends was muttering something about this.

The base cost for the Razorback went up, but the costs for its upgrades went down. I guess GW finally figured out that paying 5 points to upgrade a Storm Bolter to a twin-linked Heavy Bolter was a no-brainer if you didn't plan on using your transport as a fighting platform...

Pottsey wrote:

 Ledabot wrote:
Anybody looked at Sanctuary of Wyrms? I'm amazed that 3 tau books have come out now, when there were none before.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/sanctuary-of-wyrms-ebook.html

Isn’t 5 books recently but two of them have little Tau in. Firecast and The Greater Good are barely really Tau books.

I did forget about the greater good. Actually, I didn't even know it existed until I searched black library for it.

In total, there appear to be 7 books at have tau in them. Of those, only 4 are from a tau point of view. I admit I did forget firewarrior ( I thought it was just a game. :p) but that leaves 3 which I was talking about. shadowsun, sanctuary of Wyrms and Advent Day Twenty-Two: Out Caste. The last is quite obscure. A short story more than a book.

Out Caste is very short, it's more of an insight into one of the Tau characters from Fire Caste. I'd like to see more from Jhi'kaara, though, she seemed very interesting.

Fear the Alien has a nice short story about Tau/kroot. Overall both sides are well written in that one.

biggest thing for me is drastic decrease in cost for pathfinders by not having to bring a ruddy devil fish!

mind you ill probably still work in some tetras too! marker lights Galore!!

also some Ebay sellers currently selling Pre-orders for 30% off RRP, managed to bag my self the reboxed crisis team for £28 and they are selling the Riptide at £35 as well.

Even with the pathfinders losing the dfish, they might still benefit from having one. They still have the dam big drone sticking out the top. You could explain it as compensation for all the players who have them for their existing pathfinders I guess.

Looks like photon grenaddes are a thing.
Unless they change them to something different, like they give Blind now.