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 lord_blackfang wrote:

I'm not sure how a Str 5 AP 5 bomb, on an 11/10/10 platform with all the movement restrictions of a flyer, can be a fair option when you get a 13/12/10 Ionhead for 35 pts less and it fires Str 8 AP 3 large blast.

Str 8 AP 2 no?

in fact it looks like the ion head got buffed. ap 2 all around and 72 inch range.

makes me glad i magnetized all my hammerheads.

 Desubot wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

I'm not sure how a Str 5 AP 5 bomb, on an 11/10/10 platform with all the movement restrictions of a flyer, can be a fair option when you get a 13/12/10 Ionhead for 35 pts less and it fires Str 8 AP 3 large blast.

Str 8 AP 2 no?

in fact it looks like the ion head got buffed. ap 2 all around and 72 inch range.

makes me glad i magnetized all my hammerheads.

Incorrect. The 72" AP2 version is the one on the Riptide. The Hammerhead still has the AP3 60" version. Still plan to use IonHeads (probably with SMS) instead of RailHeads, in all likelihood.

Ion Rifles and the Razorshark turret are 30" AP4. CIB is 18" AP4.

Judging by "Tau Battlesuit Collection" picture, the new Broadside is roughly the same height as a normal Crisis Suit, but wider and sits on a 60mm base. I wonder if tournaments will allow fielding the old Broadside model glued on a 60mm base as oppose to the new one.

So the ionhead is now a large blast(guy on pg. 109) S8 AP3 Weapon? Please tell me I'm dreaming.

Why wouldn't they let you use the old broadside with the base it came with?

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Why wouldn't they let you use the old broadside with the base it came with?

Some Tournament Organizers prohibits modeling to win. A good example is the old Ork tonka Trukks vs. the newer current Trukks or Rogue Trader Avatar vs. the newer current Avatar.

Using the base a model came with is not modelling for advantage. In fact the rule book states to use the base supplied with the model.

 SabrX wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Why wouldn't they let you use the old broadside with the base it came with?

Some Tournament Organizers prohibits modeling to win. A good example is the old Ork tonka Trukks vs. the newer current Trukks or Rogue Trader Avatar vs. the newer current Avatar.

Except that you're using a model you purchased with the base it came with. That's not modeling to win, that's modeling what you purchased. If you went out and bought a bunch of old broadsides it would be the same deal.

According to the spanish scans the Ioncannon (for the Hammerhead) is 60' str 7, ap 3 heavy 3, but when supercharged is +1 str and large blast (oh and gets hot)

Tauownz The ion head's normal shot is the same as the old one, but it can overcharge (gaining gets hot!) and shoot a large template at S 8 AP 3

 Savageconvoy wrote:

 SabrX wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Why wouldn't they let you use the old broadside with the base it came with?

Some Tournament Organizers prohibits modeling to win. A good example is the old Ork tonka Trukks vs. the newer current Trukks or Rogue Trader Avatar vs. the newer current Avatar.

Except that you're using a model you purchased with the base it came with. That's not modeling to win, that's modeling what you purchased. If you went out and bought a bunch of old broadsides it would be the same deal.

I'm talking about major tournaments that bans older models if they have a modeling advantage over newer models. A Rogue Trader Avatar uses a 25mm base while current Avatar uses 40mm base.

There isn't much different in height between old Broadside and new Broadside. There is a different in width and base. I hope major Tournaments allow old Broadsides to be fielded on 60mm base.

World of difference between the old and new broadside comparison and the old and new avatar or skateboard trukks vs real trukks.

 SabrX wrote:
I hope major Tournaments allow old Broadsides to be fielded on 60mm base.

I'll be shocked if they don't allow them as they are (and following the BRB rules). Why wouldn't they? No where does a new model invalidate the old, and I've never heard of someone being required to rebase a model outside the base it came with at a GT. Where are you drawing this idea from?

Back to the Tau scans and impending release. Anything on Vespids? I've not seen any mention on them in the translated posts.

Only thing I've heard mention is the Vespids are the same with 4+ save and 18" gun, but no point mention.

 Lobukia wrote:

Back to the Tau scans and impending release. Anything on Vespids? I've not seen any mention on them in the translated posts.

It's in there. They got their range extended and I think a discount.

Also they have a tiny flier.

About the vespids they have a bunch of extra rules, including Hit'n'run, stealth (ruins), move through cover, might be more but I can't remember.
Also their I went one point up, in addition to other changes listed above

 Lobukia wrote:

 SabrX wrote:
I hope major Tournaments allow old Broadsides to be fielded on 60mm base.

I'll be shocked if they don't allow them as they are (and following the BRB rules). Why wouldn't they? No where does a new model invalidate the old, and I've never heard of someone being required to rebase a model outside the base it came with at a GT. Where are you drawing this idea from?

Back to the Tau scans and impending release. Anything on Vespids? I've not seen any mention on them in the translated posts.

Bay Area Open GT 2013 and any other tournaments that borrows its format. In any case, it's really open ended and up to the TO.

Getting back to rules leek, I wonder if Helios configuration will be the new meta for Crisis Suit teams. Stealth Suits with 4 shot Burst Cannons each isn't bad either.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:

The riptide gets up to 2 special drones (missile defense drones?) that are toughness 6, have a 4++ and a missile pod for 25pts/each. Have the riptide's charactersistics dropped already? If not I have most of them.

Spoiler:

Under XV108 cataclismo

What's the weaponry on that Riptide, and what does the Nova reactor do in detail? 180 points probably isn't too much for those stats if it can do something else besides looking badass.

 Rented Tritium wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:

Back to the Tau scans and impending release. Anything on Vespids? I've not seen any mention on them in the translated posts.

It's in there. They got their range extended and I think a discount.

Also they have a tiny flier.

Is the vespid flier now confirmed?

 warboss wrote:
Crisis suits (regardless of shasui or vre) are indeed just BS3 base. There was a fleeting earlier rumor that they came with blacksun filters and multitrackers standard but my very poor spanish comprehension doesn't seem to be able to discern that anywhere, just that they get 3 systems or weapons as they always have.

im still working my way through the pages of posts but this info can be found in the WD where they have a pic of all the suits from FW to Riptide its in the tiny little writing up at the top. It also says stealths still get stealth and shrouded

 Therion wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:

The riptide gets up to 2 special drones (missile defense drones?) that are toughness 6, have a 4++ and a missile pod for 25pts/each. Have the riptide's charactersistics dropped already? If not I have most of them.

Spoiler:

Under XV108 cataclismo

What's the weaponry on that Riptide, and what does the Nova reactor do in detail? 180 points probably isn't too much for those stats if it can do something else besides looking badass.

The nova reactor was explained a couple of pages ago.

Lovepug13 wrote:

 Rented Tritium wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:

Back to the Tau scans and impending release. Anything on Vespids? I've not seen any mention on them in the translated posts.

It's in there. They got their range extended and I think a discount.

Also they have a tiny flier.

Is the vespid flier now confirmed?

A unit we don't have a model for? Didn't think GW was doing that anymore

Well, you used to have to pile the missile pods on the suits because it was the only place to get str 7. That does not seem to be a problem anymore, so the suits now have options to do something else. I still don't see any other place to get plasma to be honest. Really, it appears you can build the suits to do whatever you want, including anti-air if you wanted. No one wants twinliked fusion guns with skyfire landing beside you, that's ugly. It appears to be a brand new world for the Tau.

The only thing I am not liking is that there appears to be no way (so far) to get the Ripdie a BS of 4. It may have great guns, and be defensive, but if it can't shoot straight, who cares. The Tyranofex is awesome as well, but misses 1/2 the time. You are going to have to use markerlights to guide the shots in to make it work it appears.

Lovepug13 wrote:

 Rented Tritium wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:

Back to the Tau scans and impending release. Anything on Vespids? I've not seen any mention on them in the translated posts.

It's in there. They got their range extended and I think a discount.

Also they have a tiny flier.

Is the vespid flier now confirmed?

It was in the spanish thread, but I didn't see a codex scan including it, so no, not confirmed yet.

Didn't see anything about a vespid flyer, it's not in the gallery section of the book and didn't notice it in the army list either

 Prodigalson wrote:

The only thing I am not liking is that there appears to be no way (so far) to get the Ripdie a BS of 4. It may have great guns, and be defensive, but if it can't shoot straight, who cares. The Tyranofex is awesome as well, but misses 1/2 the time. You are going to have to use markerlights to guide the shots in to make it work it appears.

Earth Caste Engineer: This is the new suit, our most perfect creation. It's loaded with the most advanced systems and weaponry available to the empire.
Fire Caste Commander: How accurate is it?
Earth Caste Engineer: Like a newly hatched Gaunt!
Fire Caste Commander: *sheds a single tear of admiration* Then it truly is our most powerful weapon.

am I the only one hoping that the new canon shows that Earth Caste is full of jerks that purposefully make confusing control systems, like inverting the y-stick, just to make Suits have terrible BS stats?

 Rented Tritium wrote:

Lovepug13 wrote:

 Rented Tritium wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:

Back to the Tau scans and impending release. Anything on Vespids? I've not seen any mention on them in the translated posts.

It's in there. They got their range extended and I think a discount.

Also they have a tiny flier.

Is the vespid flier now confirmed?

It was in the spanish thread, but I didn't see a codex scan including it, so no, not confirmed yet.

The spanish thread was a compilation thread so had a bunch of the old garbage rumors like the Jaws-railgun, the Vespid Flier and the Kroot-monster.

Bobug wrote:
Did anyone else notice shas'vre are now ld9 and have 3 attacks? seems they really are "heroes" now, rather than just glorified sergeants, nice!

This bodes well for Deathrain. Very well. automatic BSF, MT isn't needed, but then we can stick TAs on EVERYBODY. Along with the rumor of XV8s BS4, we can get BS5 Missile Pods, TL on three attacks. Thats about 6 autocannon-level shots per crisis suit, per turn.

 pretre wrote:

 Rented Tritium wrote:

Lovepug13 wrote:

 Rented Tritium wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:

Back to the Tau scans and impending release. Anything on Vespids? I've not seen any mention on them in the translated posts.

It's in there. They got their range extended and I think a discount.

Also they have a tiny flier.

Is the vespid flier now confirmed?

It was in the spanish thread, but I didn't see a codex scan including it, so no, not confirmed yet.

The spanish thread was a compilation thread so had a bunch of the old garbage rumors like the Jaws-railgun, the Vespid Flier and the Kroot-monster.

Then that's all it must have been, especially if Bob Marley didn't see it.

 Savageconvoy wrote:

 Prodigalson wrote:

The only thing I am not liking is that there appears to be no way (so far) to get the Ripdie a BS of 4. It may have great guns, and be defensive, but if it can't shoot straight, who cares. The Tyranofex is awesome as well, but misses 1/2 the time. You are going to have to use markerlights to guide the shots in to make it work it appears.

Earth Caste Engineer: This is the new suit, our most perfect creation. It's loaded with the most advanced systems and weaponry available to the empire.
Fire Caste Commander: How accurate is it?
Earth Caste Engineer: Like a newly hatched Gaunt!
Fire Caste Commander: *sheds a single tear of admiration* Then it truly is our most powerful weapon.

am I the only one hoping that the new canon shows that Earth Caste is full of jerks that purposefully make confusing control systems, like inverting the y-stick, just to make Suits have terrible BS stats?

I hope its just that they stick drugged up prisoners in the thing. That way if they die,, NO ONE CARES!!!!!
that is why it has BS 3, every tau is a drugged up prisoner.