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Am I reading it right that pathfinders are now save +5? For an army that seems to have to rely on them even more now that's pretty terrible to say the least... Any change to their point cost or equipment to balance?

Yeah D: Pathfinders have +5 save... i somehow feel we got excellent new toys...that costed us a little bit of survivavility...

Here's a comparison shot for the riptide

(Yeah I like to show off, I'm a jerk)

Which units in the Tau army get access to skyfire?

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
Here's a comparison shot for the riptide

(Yeah I like to show off, I'm a jerk)

Sweet googly man......im so jelly right now.


Anyone got any rules confirmation for dark strider? seems to be the only one i haven't seen yet

Wow. That's quite a suit. I love it, do you think it will be difficult to magnetize the main gun?

madmax011 wrote:
Am I reading it right that pathfinders are now save +5? For an army that seems to have to rely on them even more now that's pretty terrible to say the least... Any change to their point cost or equipment to balance?

They can take Ion Rifles, and Rail Rifles are now Rapid Fire while Pulse Carbines are Assault 2. They also have some new drone options that we don't seem to have a full picture of yet.

madmax011 wrote:
Am I reading it right that pathfinders are now save +5? For an army that seems to have to rely on them even more now that's pretty terrible to say the least... Any change to their point cost or equipment to balance?

Not sure about point cost, but one of the things I'm really digging is no more 80 point Dfish as a manditory purchase (Sure, I'll still probably get a Dfish for my FW, but I don't HAVE to).

So if they stay the same price, and we don't have to take a Dfish, what was a 128pt unit minimum is now a 48 point minimum unit.

So for the cost of the old Pathfinder minimum unit (4 pathfinders and a transport), we can now field 10 pathfinders. That's 60% more markerlights for roughly the same price! (conceeding, of course, that you don't take any of their sweet new weapon choices)

Personally, I think I'm going to field around 2 units (8 per models per unit) of pathfinders, that's only going to cost me less than 200 points, and I have 16 markerlights to guide my troop's fire! In a 2000pt game, that's only around 10% of my total point cost! Markerlights just got WAY more numerous on the battlefield.

@ Therion : All suits have acces to a "velocity tracker" as a support system, which gives them the option tu use the skyfire USR.
@Desubot Darkstrider's got that bigger makerlight thingy, allows his unit to consider targetted units -1T than they really are (even for instant deaths!) and allows his squad to consolidate 1d6 after the countercharging shots, before the enemy rolls his charge distance.
@tetrisphreak the main gun should be overall quite easy to magnetize, but you might have to let out a little cable dodats you need for the ion gun (not visible on my pic)


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 Kingsley wrote:

madmax011 wrote:
Am I reading it right that pathfinders are now save +5? For an army that seems to have to rely on them even more now that's pretty terrible to say the least... Any change to their point cost or equipment to balance?

They can take Ion Rifles, and Rail Rifles are now Rapid Fire while Pulse Carbines are Assault 2. They also have some new drone options that we don't seem to have a full picture of yet.

The new drones are the recon drone (the one with the burst cannon) which acts as a beacon and gives some control concerning flank attacks. You also have an "inhibitor dron" which allows you to substract 1D3 to a specific unit charge distance charging you. Then the fabled +6 range on pulse carbines/rifles (pulse drone?). Cheers!

@B0B MaRlEy -

1. If one suit in a unit takes the Skyfire support system, do they all get the Skyfire USR? Or does it only apply to the suit that bought it?
2. Do you have any idea how much the various Crisis weapons cost points-wise? Especially Fusion Blasters, Plasma Rifles, and Missile Pods?
3. Can any units other than Pathfinders take the Rail Rifle?
4. Do Pathfinders get any sort of Stealth / Shrouded special rule? Or is there an upgrade they can take to get it?

 MechaBeast wrote:

Materia_Master wrote:

 Kingsley wrote:

 SabrX wrote:
The only real benefit to fielding Stealth Suits is ease of getting a 2+ cover save when they are inside terrain. Burst Cannon is now 4 shots, so now a maxed out squad can dish out 24x 18" Str5 AP5 shooting. It's interesting to note that for 8 points more, you could get the same amount of damage from fielding 12 Fire Warriors with Pulse Carbines with a Devilfish. I really see no point in taking Stealth Suits.

Stealth Suits can outflank (potentially with Acute Senses-- they have it in the old book and might in the new one too), get a Jet Pack move in the Assault phase, and carry fusion blasters.

Sorry, double post?

Besides the outflank with acute senses, so can crisis suits. EACH can carry a burst cannon AND a fusion blaster.

I guess your right though, given the right situation, stealth suits may have a slight advantage over crisis suits... maybe.

I think it's going to be a min/max situation. There is a part of me that wants to have a full squad of 6 suits and 12 drones and 48 dice

Stealth Suits is an elite choice. One more Stealth Suit unit is one less Crisis Suit or Riptide. There's plenty of troop choices. Fire Warriors inside Devilfish is just as mobile and still deals the same amount of damage in terms of Str5 shots.

@bob marley -- thanks. Can you confirm the targeting array is no longer in the suit support system armory? Also are missile pods/plasma cheaper now? What % is the cost to twin link weapons? Thanks again.

 boy wonder wrote:

 Kingsley wrote:

 boy wonder wrote:
it looks like the riptides 2 drones are toughness 4... does this make the riptide toughness 4 due to majority toughness?

I believe the Riptide's drones are the ones with toughness 6, not 4.

looks like I got str and t mixed up..im awesome!

im now really psyched for this codex... I think I like most everything.


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can firewarriors take missile drones? (nit the shielded riptide variant) because that would be awesome..

Codex: "A Fire Warrior Shas'ui may take up to two drones from the Drones list" These drones are:
Gun Drones - TL Pulse Carbine
Marker Drone - Markerlight
Missile Drone - Missile Pod
Shield Drone - Shield Generator

huzzah!! Thanks for that!

now my FW will be all like.. PEW PEW!! FWOOSH! KA BLAM!

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 boy wonder wrote:

 Kingsley wrote:

 boy wonder wrote:
it looks like the riptides 2 drones are toughness 4... does this make the riptide toughness 4 due to majority toughness?

I believe the Riptide's drones are the ones with toughness 6, not 4.

looks like I got str and t mixed up..im awesome!

im now really psyched for this codex... I think I like most everything.


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can firewarriors take missile drones? (nit the shielded riptide variant) because that would be awesome..

Codex: "A Fire Warrior Shas'ui may take up to two drones from the Drones list" These drones are:
Gun Drones - TL Pulse Carbine
Marker Drone - Markerlight
Missile Drone - Missile Pod
Shield Drone - Shield Generator

Oh god.... Oh... oh my gooooooood!

Looks like that frees up my suits to take something other than missle pods.

lets hold hands and jump around!

Materia_Master wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 boy wonder wrote:

 Kingsley wrote:

 boy wonder wrote:
it looks like the riptides 2 drones are toughness 4... does this make the riptide toughness 4 due to majority toughness?

I believe the Riptide's drones are the ones with toughness 6, not 4.

looks like I got str and t mixed up..im awesome!

im now really psyched for this codex... I think I like most everything.


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can firewarriors take missile drones? (nit the shielded riptide variant) because that would be awesome..

Codex: "A Fire Warrior Shas'ui may take up to two drones from the Drones list" These drones are:
Gun Drones - TL Pulse Carbine
Marker Drone - Markerlight
Missile Drone - Missile Pod
Shield Drone - Shield Generator

Oh god.... Oh... oh my gooooooood!

Looks like that frees up my suits to take something other than missle pods.

Reign of the Deathrain Loadout comes to an end. What will the new staple crisis suit loadout be? Flamer TL Burstcannon? Plasma Rifle Fusiongun? (Especially with the increased range? My mind in boggled. Time to experiment.

Oh ,yet another bit I remember, you get to take drone squadrons like in the old codex, except you get to turn them attack drones into shield drones or marker drones for free!
Crowding even more the fast attack section

im going plasma,fusion... I used to run fireknifes exclusively.. but I think the helios is the way forward. need some tankbusters

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
Oh ,yet another bit I remember, you get to take drone squadrons like in the old codex, except you get to turn them attack drones into shield drones or marker drones for free!
Crowding even more the fast attack section

I'm not sure how this would work, but if it's true, that's awesometastic.

But seriously, FREE shield or (more importantly) marker drones? That doesn't seem right.

It seems... too good.

Therion : All suits have acces to a "velocity tracker" as a support system, which gives them the option tu use the skyfire USR.

A Tau army based on Crisis suits, Broadsides and Riptides + support might be a tough opponent for flying Necrons then. No vehicles that are deployed only to get blown up by Tesla Destructors and Voltaic Staffs, and instead nice reasonably mobile firepower, great armour saves / high toughness / fnp, and nearly across the board skyfire. Seems like close combat is the best the Necrons have for taking down the new Tau stuff like the Riptide, and although 12-18 Wraiths are quite points effective for the price, the Tau guns with their high strength and high rate of fire don't seem to be bad at taking out Wraiths in return either. Three FNP Riptides, especially with cover saves, can't realistically be killed with shooting.

It'll be interesting to see some more accurate points values to see what kind of 1850 / 2000p armies can be made.

Oh god, My riptide with skyfire fusion blasters. I shall rule the skies.
I finally get my revenge on the flying croissants.
Of give the velocity tracker to my suits

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
Codex: "A Fire Warrior Shas'ui may take up to two drones from the Drones list" These drones are:
Gun Drones - TL Pulse Carbine
Marker Drone - Markerlight
Missile Drone - Missile Pod
Shield Drone - Shield Generator

What about Stealth suits and crisis suits? what are listed for them?

edit quote fail

Translated Special-issue support systems from Warseer:

Their are characteristic systems, so i guess prototypes.

- Iridium armor. +1T, 2+ Armor save.
- Repulse shock field. Assault, I10, 1d6 S4AP- hit to any enemy unit who succesfully charged.
- Jun'nami (neural chip or something like that). Movement phase choose between tankhunter, counterattack, monster hunter, stubborn, furious charge.
- Failsafe detonator. If model dies, large blast on top of him, S5 AP-. Deaths count for combat resolution.
- Fist something. Assault, change all of his attack for a single S10 AP1 attack.
- Neurored. Enemy unit gets hot rule on their shooting phase.
- Command and control module. If he doesn't shoot, all his unit re-roll to hit.
- Multispecter sensor system. If he doesn't shoot, all his unit ignore cover.

The 2 last ones stack.

Keep in mind that IIRC the skyfire upgrades are around 20 points. It'll throw a wrench in a mostly-flyer army's plan though

 Desubot wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
Codex: "A Fire Warrior Shas'ui may take up to two drones from the Drones list" These drones are:
Gun Drones - TL Pulse Carbine
Marker Drone - Markerlight
Missile Drone - Missile Pod
Shield Drone - Shield Generator

What about Stealth suits and crisis suits? what are listed for them?

edit quote fail

Same list as the FWs. Any Crisis suit may take up to 2 drones from the Drones List. A Stealth Shas'vre may take up to 2 drones from the Drones list.

When you have special drones, they usually have a special rule like the Pathfinders. "May include a Pulse Accelerator Drone"

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
double post and useless too for I've been NINJA-ed!

Its k i saw it before ninja snatch.

but yeah kinda sad that it is only for the character. is drone controllers still in? and what does it do?

@desubot Actually all I remember is for FW and stealths, crisis probably get a set of drones each. Might apply for broadsides too

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
@ Therion : All suits have acces to a "velocity tracker" as a support system, which gives them the option tu use the skyfire USR.
@Desubot Darkstrider's got that bigger makerlight thingy, allows his unit to consider targetted units -1T than they really are (even for instant deaths!) and allows his squad to consolidate 1d6 after the countercharging shots, before the enemy rolls his charge distance.
@tetrisphreak the main gun should be overall quite easy to magnetize, but you might have to let out a little cable dodats you need for the ion gun (not visible on my pic)


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madmax011 wrote:
Am I reading it right that pathfinders are now save +5? For an army that seems to have to rely on them even more now that's pretty terrible to say the least... Any change to their point cost or equipment to balance?

They can take Ion Rifles, and Rail Rifles are now Rapid Fire while Pulse Carbines are Assault 2. They also have some new drone options that we don't seem to have a full picture of yet.

The new drones are the recon drone (the one with the burst cannon) which acts as a beacon and gives some control concerning flank attacks. You also have an "inhibitor dron" which allows you to substract 1D3 to a specific unit charge distance charging you. Then the fabled +6 range on pulse carbines/rifles (pulse drone?). Cheers!

Are the other two drones available to other squads? The inhibitor drone would be pretty much mandatory for FW and Crisis suit squads.

Also, going by google translate the Iridium armor is +1 Toughness and 2+ Save with no drawbacks. That's pretty nice(And makes it a bit more annoying that Broadsides are T4 W2.)

Also annoyed that the Devilfish is still an overpriced pile of tin and the Shas'vre went from not increasing stats Tau use to not increasing stats at all.

I think what I would most want for Devilfish is "drones ride for free" so you could add drones to a FW squad without having to reduce squad size.

Wait, A wargear that makes all weapons Get hot?
FRFSRF will be so fun using this on them.