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Wait. Seekers have to be fired at the same target the vehicle shoots at? That's a downer. So that means if the vehicle can't fire any weapons because it turbo-boosted I couldn't spend marker tokens to fire missiles. There goes the plan for tubro boosting Piranha into rear armor. Seriously, they did tone down a lot for a struggling army.

 CrazyBones wrote:
I realize it's way early but what are everyone's gut reaction to the new codex thus far?

Will it be competitive in the tournament scene? Just so-so?

They look better than before. How they actually work on the field though is anyone's guess.

Do tau have any S9 weapons? I know they have a S10 weapon, a few S8 weapons and many S7 weapons, but what would be their lascannon equivalent?

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Wait. Seekers have to be fired at the same target the vehicle shoots at? That's a downer. So that means if the vehicle can't fire any weapons because it turbo-boosted I couldn't spend marker tokens to fire missiles. There goes the plan for tubro boosting Piranha into rear armor. Seriously, they did tone down a lot for a struggling army.

Where on earth did you hear this heresy?

that would be awful.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
The Riptide does seem to have plenty of wounds on top of the T6 2+/5++. I think the best way to run it would be to use it as bait to draw it towards stealth suits, firewarriors, and/or pathfinders. Basically using it as a giant shield, even using the nova reactor to buff the shield just so it will soak up more fire or just get flat out ignored. If the enemy charges then they will have to deal with a literal wave of support fire.

And throw on Interceptor and Skyfire just so that it can't be ignored.

I personally think adding the FnP to the Riptide is one of the best ways to go. It's the only way he gets a chance to ignore the wound caused by the Nova reactor since it allows no saves. Pricey, but worth it IMO.

Says in addition to any other weapons they are allowed to fire. So it's extra shots. Not sure if it would be able to be fired after turbo-boosting but it does have the ignore cover rule which is pretty sweet.

 Desubot wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Wait. Seekers have to be fired at the same target the vehicle shoots at? That's a downer. So that means if the vehicle can't fire any weapons because it turbo-boosted I couldn't spend marker tokens to fire missiles. There goes the plan for tubro boosting Piranha into rear armor. Seriously, they did tone down a lot for a struggling army.

Where on earth did you hear this heresy?

that would be awful.

It was one of the leaked codex pages, under the marker light rule. Maybe we are missing something, but that seems to be implication.

If you dont mind used drones, ebay is your best bet.
If you want new, GW has them for £6.50 for 4.

Not stupidly expensive, but still not as cheap as ebay

 Hulksmash wrote:
Says in addition to any other weapons they are allowed to fire. So it's extra shots. Not sure if it would be able to be fired after turbo-boosting but it does have the ignore cover rule which is pretty sweet.

Ai, but are seeker missiles blast though? That would be nasty against light infantry.

Kitbashing the new drones is going to be pretty easy. I'll probably use some paulson parts for missile drones, though, since crisis missile pods are in short supply already.

Edit: disregard post

Dakka double posting then wiping both of them upon editing....dont have the patience to re write
this is getting fairly annoying.

 Desubot wrote:

Hans_Einberg wrote:

mate....do it....just do it...

Oh snap have a wub down vs the darkangel darkshroud dj station.

Don't forget Mighty Iron DJ Thunderhead!

 Magc8Ball wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

Hans_Einberg wrote:

mate....do it....just do it...

Oh snap have a wub down vs the darkangel darkshroud dj station.

Don't forget Mighty Iron DJ Thunderhead!

Let the wargame rap battle commence

And the only thing comes to mind is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYKUa0iREwE

There was a rumor earlier that crisis suits have blacksun filters and multitrackets standard but I didn't see that shown in any of the linked or posted pics yet. Do any or all suits get "free" standard systems in addition to the ones they have the option of buying? The armor armory page with the entries for crisis/broadside/stealth suits hasn't apparently hit the preview pic circuit just yet.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 CrazyBones wrote:
I realize it's way early but what are everyone's gut reaction to the new codex thus far?

Will it be competitive in the tournament scene? Just so-so?

They look better than before. How they actually work on the field though is anyone's guess.

Do tau have any S9 weapons? I know they have a S10 weapon, a few S8 weapons and many S7 weapons, but what would be their lascannon equivalent?

There is none. Only S9 weapon seems to be overcharged S9 large blast from Riptide. S10 Railgun is limited to Hammerheads, which you can take three at most.

Tau actually have plenty of S8 now: Seekers, Broadsides, various Ion weapon large blasts, Fusion blasters.

It looks like Tau will be really scary dealing with the infantry, including multi-wound infantry which was very difficult before. However, against tanks they don't look so hot.

Yeah, seeker missiles went from being mediocre to being garbage. The entire point was that you stuck them on your transports and they gave markerlight squads on-demand access to krak missiles. Now you need to spend a markerlight, and roll to hit, and use them on the same target as the rest of the vehicle.

Can we get a confirmation of this seeker missile stuff?

 CrazyBones wrote:
I realize it's way early but what are everyone's gut reaction to the new codex thus far?

Will it be competitive in the tournament scene? Just so-so?

Looks a lot more versatile than the old Codex, with more potential options. I suspect that, like the other 6th edition books, it will be quite competitive but take a while for the community to figure out (IMO none of the 6e books are fully understood at present).

Any word on tau vehicles firing as though they were fast?

Also, any word on what an advanced targeting system will do for a vehicle?

 warboss wrote:
There was a rumor earlier that crisis suits have blacksun filters and multitrackets standard but I didn't see that shown in any of the linked or posted pics yet. Do any or all suits get "free" standard systems in addition to the ones they have the option of buying? The armor armory page with the entries for crisis/broadside/stealth suits hasn't apparently hit the preview pic circuit just yet.

Multi-trackers and Blacksun filters exist for the Battlesuits, but are not listed amongst "Support systems" wargear list: I guess it means they all have it.

Tau vehicles took a big swing from the Nerf bat, and this is my biggest grieve of the Codex. There doesn't seem to be Targeting Arrays, Multi-trackers or Target locks, or equivalent thereof. Seeker Missiles seem to be dumbed down as well.

Backfire wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 CrazyBones wrote:
I realize it's way early but what are everyone's gut reaction to the new codex thus far?

Will it be competitive in the tournament scene? Just so-so?

They look better than before. How they actually work on the field though is anyone's guess.

Do tau have any S9 weapons? I know they have a S10 weapon, a few S8 weapons and many S7 weapons, but what would be their lascannon equivalent?

There is none. Only S9 weapon seems to be overcharged S9 large blast from Riptide. S10 Railgun is limited to Hammerheads, which you can take three at most.

Tau actually have plenty of S8 now: Seekers, Broadsides, various Ion weapon large blasts, Fusion blasters.

It looks like Tau will be really scary dealing with the infantry, including multi-wound infantry which was very difficult before. However, against tanks they don't look so hot.

Well, to be fair, the necrons don't really have that many hi strength weapons available either, and they do a decent job.

From my memory, they have

2 S10 weapons - one of which is one shot only and not worth the cost, and one is on a pricy flyer

3 S8 weapons - Eldritch lance, particle whip and heat ray, only 1 of which can really be deployed en mass.

3 S9 weapons - Heavy Gauss Cannon, Doomsday cannon and trans-dimensional thunderbolt, and they aren't very common.

1 S7 weapon - Tesla destructor, which is comparatively common.

They do have gauss and entropy, but it could be argued that the tau's access to S5 and S6 weapons fulfill the same role.

Backfire wrote:

 warboss wrote:
There was a rumor earlier that crisis suits have blacksun filters and multitrackets standard but I didn't see that shown in any of the linked or posted pics yet. Do any or all suits get "free" standard systems in addition to the ones they have the option of buying? The armor armory page with the entries for crisis/broadside/stealth suits hasn't apparently hit the preview pic circuit just yet.

Multi-trackers and Blacksun filters exist for the Battlesuits, but are not listed amongst "Support systems" wargear list: I guess it means they all have it.

Tau vehicles took a big swing from the Nerf bat, and this is my biggest grieve of the Codex. There doesn't seem to be Targeting Arrays, Multi-trackers or Target locks, or equivalent thereof. Seeker Missiles seem to be dumbed down as well.

Target locks are still in. Suit multi-trackers are supposed to be built in. Targeting Arrays are out however.

Seeker missiles required to shoot at same target as rest of vehicle??? WTF? Could someone have maybe mistaken SMART missile for SEEKER missile in translating the leaked pages? That would be a huge change (and a nerf slegde) if true... :-/

I'm thinking that we're going to see a lot of Mark'Os (Battlesuit commander attached to Markerdrone Squadron) in the near future.

 Thaylen wrote:

Backfire wrote:

 warboss wrote:
There was a rumor earlier that crisis suits have blacksun filters and multitrackets standard but I didn't see that shown in any of the linked or posted pics yet. Do any or all suits get "free" standard systems in addition to the ones they have the option of buying? The armor armory page with the entries for crisis/broadside/stealth suits hasn't apparently hit the preview pic circuit just yet.

Multi-trackers and Blacksun filters exist for the Battlesuits, but are not listed amongst "Support systems" wargear list: I guess it means they all have it.

Tau vehicles took a big swing from the Nerf bat, and this is my biggest grieve of the Codex. There doesn't seem to be Targeting Arrays, Multi-trackers or Target locks, or equivalent thereof. Seeker Missiles seem to be dumbed down as well.

Target locks are still in. Suit multi-trackers are supposed to be built in. Targeting Arrays are out however.

Target locks and Multi-trackers exist for the Battlesuits, but they don't seem to be listed in Vehicle equipment list: and vehicle Codex entries don't show them either, or at least I haven't seem them.

"Advanced targeting system" for the battlesuits gives Precision shot on 5+ rather than 6+, but I'm not sure it does same thing with vehicles.

Jefffar wrote:
I'm thinking that we're going to see a lot of Mark'Os (Battlesuit commander attached to Markerdrone Squadron) in the near future.

heh, Battlesuit Commander and his mobile drone party... :-)

You guys are so upbeat. Please temper your enthusiasm a bit.....

Beast wrote:
Seeker missiles required to shoot at same target as rest of vehicle??? WTF? Could someone have maybe mistaken SMART missile for SEEKER missile in translating the leaked pages? That would be a huge change (and a nerf slegde) if true... :-/

Markerlight entry explicitly says that Seeker missile can be only fired if the vehicle/battlesuit has them, and has to be fired at same target like rest of the weapons. Basically it's like more complicated version of Hunter-Killer missile. Infantry no longer can call Seeker missiles.

Backfire wrote:


It looks like Tau will be really scary dealing with the infantry, including multi-wound infantry which was very difficult before. However, against tanks they don't look so hot.

That summarizes my feelings, although I would include that they should give flyer heavy lists issues as well, being the only army right now with a lot of units that can take skyfire. The fact is they have a lot of new anti infantry options, whether it be missile-sides, cheap sniper kroot squads, and new pie-plate options with the Riptide and Hammerhead.

However, their anti-tank options are limited and I think fusion crisis suits are going to become almost compulsory so that you're not entirely reliant on the Hammerhead and Riptide to take out AV14 vehicles. Overall not a killer, but the fact is they join the Tyranids and Orks (maybe daemons since I know nothing about their rules and don't say Eldar because they have lance) as the only armies without a S9+ weapon that isn't mounted on a tank, IC, or MC. It's a deficiency but their are options for handling it.

Jefffar wrote:
I'm thinking that we're going to see a lot of Mark'Os (Battlesuit commander attached to Markerdrone Squadron) in the near future.

Hehe.

"Mark'o!"
"Polo!"

I feel like this has promise. Battlesuit tag?