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People who don't bother to learn the rules, then get upset if you correct them. Or if they start complaining due to some imagined "unfairness" because they don't know the rules. For example I saw a IG vs. SM game where the IG player was complaining about how his power swords couldn't hurt vehicles, while his opponents power fists could...

That "poll" is very misleading. It should be

1.Players with poor hygiene.
2.WAAC (NOT competitive or power gamers, there is very much a difference)
3.Rules Lawyers
4.The bad loser/winner
5.The guy who refuses to paint (I will admit I'm guilty of this)
6.The guy who never reads his rulebook.
7.The guy who for some inexplicable reason, hates you, your army, your paintjob, the units you picked, the car you drive, your religion, your house, your family, your significant other, the air you breathe, etc.

Now we have a less misleading poll that will actually get us some answers.

The whole "fluff vs competitve" is most idiotic stereotypes that this hobby holds, and I hate it. There are good "fluff" players, and idiotic "fluff" players, just like there are cool "power gamer" players and jerk "power gamer'' players. People run into one bad guy from the opposite side of the fence and immediately assume they're all that way.

Whether you're "fluffy" or "hardcore" you need to realize that that has nothing to do with what kind of player someone is. If they're a git, they'll be a git whether they brought 6 vendettas and a necron airfoce ally list, or if they decided to go maximum fluff mode and bring nothing but grots, killa kans, and weird boyz.

for me its WAAC players and TFG.

Now to me WAAC =/= a power gamer. A power gamer will build a competitive list, and play to win, but I've had lots of fun games with power gamers. Winning at all cost, however, to me, is when a player exploits loop holes or ambiguous rules. They constantly accuse you of; moving to far(even though you have the measuring tape in your hand), argue for 20 minutes about a measurement that may or may not be off by 1/64 of an inch, question the wording on every special rule in your army even though they know that's how it work, cheating, and so on... They may even go as far as to cheat. I've seen it all; trying to squeeze and hide extra points in their list, starting to move a model as they bring the measurement tool down, so it's no longer possible to accurately measure the model's original position, "speed rolling" and picking up the dice fast trying to hide they just picked up a 3 when they needed a 4 to wound, the list goes on. They care so much about winning, that the ruin the fun of the game, even in a competitive setting. Bending/exploiting the rules or even cheating, all the while accusing you of doing the same thing, and acting like you accused them of murder when you call them on it.

TFG: The d-bag, or *insert angry descriptive word here*. The difference between this person and the above WAAC player is that they aren't just trying to win. They are complaining about your armies cheese (even if you bring a lower teir army), complaining about their underpowered build (in 5th I had a GK player do this to me while I was playing DA, lol). They are constantly complaining about how lucky you are, and how unlucky they are with dice. While they are winning, they are gloating, talking smack, insulting your skills at army building and /or playing. They are; rude, condescending, passively or actively insulting. They take the fun out of the game by just being a lousy opponent, and a poor sport.

To me it boils down to less of "type of player" and more "type of person". Even in a very competitive setting, I will still have fun with power gamers and fluff gamers. But no matter the setting, I hate having wasted part of my day getting through a game with either of the above described players.

*note* your definitions of WAAC and TFG may differ from mine, and that's fine, I mainly used them as labels for the above types of people.

Other - bad losers/winners.

I don't care if you don't want to paint, or if you are fine tuning your latest tournament army, or if you've got some guys who aren't completely built yet, or if you are still learning the rules, or if you even forget some rules.

Just be a fun opponent. Talk, laugh, shrug off a loss and be gracious with a win.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

3.Rules Lawyers

To be fair I've seen two different rules lawyers - those who knows the rules and like to play correctly (with no problem using house rules to have more fun - i.e. allowing vehicles to take invuln saves, or deciding that thrown grenades only scatter D6"). The other group are those who knows the rules and is no fun to play with because the rules says this so it has to be done this way.

Of the two groups i'm sure you can figure out which one I belong to.

I guess I'm just lucky (or easygoing?) but for the most part, the players I hate playing against the most are those with short attention spans who wander off during my turn or decide that instead of playing the game with me, they'd rather argue rules with some berk on the next table.

The one who whines and moans about all the other types of players.

 KillerSkivil wrote:
I would have to answer, the person who when they loose 1 model they think they have lost the game, in my local area we have a couple of these, they are THE worst kind of player to have a game against as any level of fun you were going to have is lost the moment you start winning or even if you kill the thing they were relying on to win the game for them they just give up and ruin your fun

I have to admit, this is where I struggle Mostly it's just seeing all the enemy models on the table, and then seeing how you have one less Vindicator to take care of them. It's kind of hard to think of some ways to win, Even when I have the Rest of my army right behind that one tank.

 Tiger9gamer wrote:

 KillerSkivil wrote:
I would have to answer, the person who when they loose 1 model they think they have lost the game, in my local area we have a couple of these, they are THE worst kind of player to have a game against as any level of fun you were going to have is lost the moment you start winning or even if you kill the thing they were relying on to win the game for them they just give up and ruin your fun

I have to admit, this is where I struggle Mostly it's just seeing all the enemy models on the table, and then seeing how you have one less Vindicator to take care of them. It's kind of hard to think of some ways to win, Even when I have the Rest of my army right behind that one tank.

That's nothing. I know a guy who quit because "he couldn't win" after the initial fire storm failed to do any damage to the bastions in a planet stike game.

People who insist on arbitrating games they aren't playing, or offering unsolicited advice to everyone around them all the time.

^^; Sorry, Jim. I know that's a bad habit of mine if I don't have a game and get bored. But I do mostly try and stick to younger victims - I mean, players who are newer and haven't finished the rulebook yet.

Proxies that change. Transports that suddenly have different cargo. Then the owner get red faced when you call him out.

Whiners. Dice whiners... rule whiners...

 Happyjew wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

3.Rules Lawyers

To be fair I've seen two different rules lawyers - those who knows the rules and like to play correctly (with no problem using house rules to have more fun - i.e. allowing vehicles to take invuln saves, or deciding that thrown grenades only scatter D6"). The other group are those who knows the rules and is no fun to play with because the rules says this so it has to be done this way.

Of the two groups i'm sure you can figure out which one I belong to.

I'm sure you know which kind of person I'm talking about when I say rules lawyers.

The good "rule lawyer" you described should basically be all good players. When you're playing a game and you get a rule wrong, and the guy corrects you on it with the right one without being a jerk, that's not rules lawyering, that's just playing the game the way it's supposed to be played

I almost got into a brawl with a guy at a tournament once. He was running a mech spam rhino list, and tried to move a couple of them more
than once. I called him on it, and he started giving me a really bad attitude. It pissed me off, really bad. I hadn't got much sleep the night before,
and was not in a mood to entertain his cheating.

People who sit there and critisize your army, whether it be your unit selection, codex, paintjob/colour scheme, or whatever. It's my army and I can do what I want with it. If I wanna make a list that brings possessed marines, that's none of your buisness. If I want to paint my army neon yellow then that's what I'm gonna do.

People who declare your army to be nothing but the most rancid cheddar of all time, then build a tailored list to utterly crush you, and then start gloating about how great they are at 40k and how badly you suck at the game...

I had a local GK player who insisted that Flamers were the most broken thing to ever happen to 40k, (and this was before the WD update!), then he built a pure Warp Quake list with which to table me on turn one.
Once all my units started to auto-mishap, he then used RAW to begin juggling my units between quake bubbles in order to asure himself of either auto-wiping them, or else kicking me back into reserves.

I simply packed up after the first turn and left him with a few choice words.

The guy who doesn't play and just stands there watching and going on and on how Magic is so much better.

In all honesty there is only one guy I don't care to play with in my group. Mostly because after the game he'll say 'you should've taken this upgrade. You should've moved this unit here. You should've shot at this unit. You shouldn't have taken this unit". It got bad enough my brother won't play anymore.

Whiners. The people who are ready to quit at the bottom of the second turn because things haven't been going 110% their way.
The players who will start sighing and shaking their head, while throwing the dice in a "O woe on me! It is all for naught!" manner.

People who spend their time complaining about the rules or GW.

Why are they even playing.

Ignorant tau haters are on my top list, as well as space wolf players, who don't know they are playing a heretical chapter.

Beyond that, the simply WAAC players. These are different from power gamers as power games have a sense of honor when playing and building their list, but WAAC don't.

 pwntallica wrote:
They are constantly complaining about how lucky you are, and how unlucky they are with dice. While they are winning, they are gloating, talking smack, insulting your skills at army building and /or playing. They are; rude, condescending, passively or actively insulting. They take the fun out of the game by just being a lousy opponent, and a poor sport.

My LGS had a guy like this. His favorite strategy was to hide his models out of LOS as much as possible and do nothing. If he lost a game, there was always some excuse (bad dice rolls on his part, exceptionally lucky rolls or cheese from his opponent. If he won a game, he'd brag and gloat for weeks. This went on until one day, due to his "turtle' tactics and the mission type, he got tabled on turn 1. He spent the rest of the day pouting, watching everyone else play, and being taunted and laughed at. He hasn't played 40k since, claiming various excuses as to why he can't make it to the LGS, even though he still comes in to play other games (where he's equally as annoying).

Cheaters are another one that irks me. If you say you're done with a phase, then decide you're really not, I'll generally let that slide in a friendly game. When you do it 3 times with the same unit in the same turn, you're pushing it.

List tailorers are another of my least favorite type of players. My LGS has a computer set up with Army Builder for people to use; I've had to start building and printing my list a day in advance, then hiding the print out in my army case until just before the game starts.

In our area we have two kinds of game:

pick-up games, where you say, "Oi, anyone want a game? I've got x army!" and someone says "Sure, how many points?" and we pull out pre-prepared army lists.

Organised games, where you say, "Hey, want a game next week against me x?" and the other person says, "sure, I'll bring my y." Then it's a given that there will be some list tailoring on the part of both players, since we'll know what the other person is taking. However, since we all play for fun, I've yet to see anyone take a Jongleur build against Daemons, etc.

I voted other. You can be a power gamer, and you can be a casual gamer, but the person I can't stand is the one who isn't fun to play against.

I can forgive basically anything 40k related as long as the game is enjoyable.

 Evileyes wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Oh, yeah. Classical tableflip. Had that once, where someone flipped his minis on a movement try over - 30 miniatures flying everywhere! ...he then left the room, got in his car and left...we packed our stuff and went home, never heard of that guy again

Did....Did you keep his models as a trophy?

We had an entire house! ;D

 DarknessEternal wrote:
People who spend their time complaining about the rules or GW.

Why are they even playing.

To be fair, complaining about GW is a 40k pastime. A game can't go by without a "GW is so dumb becasue of X" and the laugh that goes along with it.


People who take 20 minutes moving a single unit to measure to be 24 1/64" to say they are out of range.

At my LGS we make fun of people who complain excessively about GW. For example:

"The thing about the Necron Codex is..."
"BAWWWW MATT WARD!!!"

And then we have a good chuckle.

I have to say playing against myself is the worst player I face...but for real playing against someone that is occupied by something drives me nuts. I mean do you want to play 40k or bake cookies. Can't do both.

People who don't know the rules who get annoyed fast when you politely attempt to point out their misinterpretation.

If I'm winning I'll let it slide. Closer games are better and I can't be arsed to argue about something every phase of every turn.

If its close or I'm losing, I'll get the rulebook out and enlighten them.

Overweight players.