What is the worst type of player?

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**Monsieur_Maladroit**

I think it's because they're on some sort of quest to win and prove that they are the best. and on this quest they forget
that cheating is no fun. Luckily these sort of people dont last long in this hobby.

**Rustgob**

Monsieur_Maladroit wrote:
I think it's because they're on some sort of quest to win and prove that they are the best. and on this quest they forget
that cheating is no fun. Luckily these sort of people dont last long in this hobby.

I think they're flawed in that regard too. It's a hollow victory if you have to cheat. Cheating is how real militaries win wars.

Cheating at WH40k is how you get hated and never really won by the terms of engagement!

Silly people!

**Furyou Miko**

Rustgob wrote:
Monsieur_Maladroit wrote:
Cheaters and powergamers, in that order

I can't understand people who cheat at single-player games, let alone people who would cheat at a tabletop game.
It devalues any accomplishment; how can people who use cheats have any fun? :I

I cheat in single player games all the time because I want to enjoy the story instead of being frustrated by dying and having to restart every ten minutes.

Not really relevant to 40k, I guess. The closest I come to cheating in 40k is leaving a Seraphim squad behind a building out of the other player's LoS until he forgets about it.

That's not cheating, is it? I mean, cheating is stuff like pretending you rolled more sixes than you did or moving models an extra inch to get melta range, not tactically concealing units behind terrain.

**Rustgob**

Furyou Miko wrote:
Rustgob wrote:
Monsieur_Maladroit wrote:
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I cheat in single player games all the time because I want to enjoy the story instead of being frustrated by dying and having to restart every ten minutes.

Not really relevant to 40k, I guess. The closest I come to cheating in 40k is leaving a Seraphim squad behind a building out of the other player's LoS until he forgets about it.

That's not cheating, is it? I mean, cheating is stuff like pretending you rolled more sixes than you did or moving models an extra inch to get melta range, not tactically concealing units behind terrain.

Cheating to witness the story isn't necessarily bad if you can't complete the game, but I can't ever say you've 'completed the game' in such a case.
Completion would surely require you to work within the boundaries of the intended game.

As for leaving a unit in cover, that's tactical use, not cheating, lol. Cheating is, as you say, lying about rules, spoofing dice/loaded dice and so forth.

**Corporal_Chaos**

Whether it be power gaming or just a win at all cost gamer. The bad sportsman is the worst. That applies to all games. Power gamers build a list that has no true depth but can be beat . I do not know but I feel that as long as we have fun there is no issue.

**FoWPlayerDeathOfUS.TDs**

Cheaters who move gazzy to far.

**512thReg**

It has been a VERY long time since I posted here but this discussion has caught my eye. So hear goes.

I suspose when we don't give each other a break when we make a mistake, we are all human and as long as someone makes an effort to correct their mistakes then why give them a hard time or judge them (unless we are talking about an extreme example of rage and cops coming as I read on this forum)?

Not everyone is going to remember all of the rules off by heart, I try to understand as much as possible but work means I can't play as much, if at all at weeks at a time. If I get to play a game then I am grateful for that. As long as we are pleasent to each other and friendly.

**Dr. What**

pwntallica wrote:
Tod wrote:
Dr. What wrote:
The one who tells you that the rule from your codex, which he has never read, is wrong.

Example:

My Orks call a WAAAGH! I explain what it does (fleet).

Reply: No, you're wrong. Fleet sucks in 6th. You can only use it with running units. He then proceeds to pull my codex from my hands and yank the book page by page until he finds the rule (which took an age), then has to look up fleet in his own rulebook before allowing me to proceed.

It was an irritating game.

You won't believe the amount of times this has happened to me...

Had someone grab my SM codex out of my hand so roughly once that it pulled out a chunk of 6 or 8 pages. I looked at him mortified, expecting some quick follow up "oh my god I'm so sorry!". Instead he tossed the rest of my codex aside (to the ground no less) as what he was looking for was in the pages in his hand. He read it over as everyone else in the game store just stared at him. Finally he says "well I guess that's right", and drops the pages onto my codex (still on the ground) then turns to me with a plain look on his face waiting for me to continue my play. When I called him on the damage to my book, he just calmly picked it up, crammed the pages back in and said "it's fine".

Trying to stay calm myself, I calmly start to pack up my models. Everyone is still watching dead silent. As soon as he realized what I was doing he goes "so you forfeit huh? *chuckle*", and I just said nothing. Then he proceeded to FREAK out. Saying I had to tell him he won because I was giving up and quitting, and blaming it all on me because I was trying to cheat (to be honest, I don't even remember what the original rule was we were trying to look up). I kept saying nothing, then he snatched at one of my units I was trying to pack up, and I thought it was going to get physical, which was funny because I had about 60-80 pounds on this guy (he was about 5'8", late teens early 20s, and maybe 150lb wet. I on the other hand am 5'11" 220lb, some fat, mostly muscle as I worked construction at the time). But I kept my cool the whole time just kept cleaning my other units.

Finally all that was left for me to pack was the stuff he snatched. I asked him calmly for them (the first thing I said since he started freaking out) and he said he wouldn't give them back to me until I admitted he won. Not wanting to fight, with everyone still frozen watching, I said "ok you won". He throws the models at me! They were my metal vanguard vets (I know they suck but I love them and put a lot of conversion work on them). I desperately try to calmly pick up the pieces, as he starts talking trash about "oh god I owned you so hard noob". I don't even know what he was saying, I was just trying not to see red.

Then someone else in the store tells him he was losing and I was only packing up because he was throwing a tantrum. In response to that he starts yelling at her and me. When I ignore him and try to give her a look to do the same, HE FLIPS THE TABLE AT ME! Funny part was only his models were left on it. Finally the owner (a HUGE bald guy) grabs him and drags him out the door. He screams outside as the owner wont let him come back in, even to get his models. While we were picking up his models so he would go away (this taking about 20 minutes while he screamed outside at the owner) the cops show up, and while everyone cheered, they arrested him.

Never heard from him again, and the owner kept most of his army to cover the damages to the table, and gave me some of them.

And that's the story of why I have 6 fire warriors.

I've got to congratulate you on staying calm. Simply touching one of my models irks me. Ripping my book + throwing one of my models (especially something as fragile as a metal Vanguard Veteran) + bragging and saying "noob" would have ended with somebody bleeding.

**Eldarslayer26**

I find cheaters very annoying. If your going to cheat theres no point in playing the game. It just ruins it for others. If I have to tell someone ' Its only a game ' I get abit agitated.

**Deunstephe**

If you're playing sim city or a "tycoon" game, it's boring to wait around to have all the money you need to build something cool. Therefore, you use cheats to get cash and make MR BONES WILD RIDE. But outside of that, cheating would make anything boring.

**Rustgob**

Deunstephe wrote:
If you're playing sim city or a "tycoon" game, it's boring to wait around to have all the money you need to build something cool. Therefore, you use cheats to get cash and make MR BONES WILD RIDE. But outside of that, cheating would make anything boring.

Waiting to make money is one of the points of a Tycoon game. They're a favourite of mine.

Building MR BONES WILD RIDE is best if you've worked your hands to the bone (haha) managing the park first.

**Deunstephe**

Rustgob wrote:
Deunstephe wrote:
If you're playing sim city or a "tycoon" game, it's boring to wait around to have all the money you need to build something cool. Therefore, you use cheats to get cash and make MR BONES WILD RIDE. But outside of that, cheating would make anything boring.

Waiting to make money is one of the points of a Tycoon game. They're a favourite of mine.

Building MR BONES WILD RIDE is best if you've worked your hands to the bone (haha) managing the park first.

For most people, waiting for money is quite boring in an RTS or Tycoon. Plus, MR BONES WILD RIDE was never managed. It manages itself. The exit is just an entrance to it again. THE RIDE NEVER ENDS.
http://imgur.com/gallery/Wxzbl

**Rustgob**

Deunstephe wrote:
Rustgob wrote:
Deunstephe wrote:
If you're playing sim city or a "tycoon" game, it's boring to wait around to have all the money you need to build something cool. Therefore, you use cheats to get cash and make MR BONES WILD RIDE. But outside of that, cheating would make anything boring.

Waiting to make money is one of the points of a Tycoon game. They're a favourite of mine.

Building MR BONES WILD RIDE is best if you've worked your hands to the bone (haha) managing the park first.

For most people, waiting for money is quite boring in an RTS or Tycoon. Plus, MR BONES WILD RIDE was never managed. It manages itself. The exit is just an entrance to it again. THE RIDE NEVER ENDS.
http://imgur.com/gallery/Wxzbl

I love RCT2 Torture, lol!

**-Loki-**

Rustgob wrote:
Furyou Miko wrote:
Rustgob wrote:
Monsieur_Maladroit wrote:
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I cheat in single player games all the time because I want to enjoy the story instead of being frustrated by dying and having to restart every ten minutes.

Not really relevant to 40k, I guess. The closest I come to cheating in 40k is leaving a Seraphim squad behind a building out of the other player's LoS until he forgets about it.

That's not cheating, is it? I mean, cheating is stuff like pretending you rolled more sixes than you did or moving models an extra inch to get melta range, not tactically concealing units behind terrain.

Cheating to witness the story isn't necessarily bad if you can't complete the game, but I can't ever say you've 'completed the game' in such a case.

I don't even know why you'd need to these days. Games are so easy on Normal already, that if you're dying an abnormal amount of times, simply dropping to Easy will get you through the rest of the game. I do this wil God of War games, which generally have final bosses on a completely different difficulty level to the rest of the game. I play at that difficulty until it asks to drop to easy, then proceed to finish the game. If I haven't beaten the boss in those 5 or so chances, I don't consider it worth my time to continue. I just want to get it over with by then.

**Rustgob**

-Loki- wrote:
Rustgob wrote:
Furyou Miko wrote:
Rustgob wrote:
Monsieur_Maladroit wrote:
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I cheat in single player games all the time because I want to enjoy the story instead of being frustrated by dying and having to restart every ten minutes.

Not really relevant to 40k, I guess. The closest I come to cheating in 40k is leaving a Seraphim squad behind a building out of the other player's LoS until he forgets about it.

That's not cheating, is it? I mean, cheating is stuff like pretending you rolled more sixes than you did or moving models an extra inch to get melta range, not tactically concealing units behind terrain.

Cheating to witness the story isn't necessarily bad if you can't complete the game, but I can't ever say you've 'completed the game' in such a case.

I don't even know why you'd need to these days. Games are so easy on Normal already, that if you're dying an abnormal amount of times, simply dropping to Easy will get you through the rest of the game. I do this wil God of War games, which generally have final bosses on a completely different difficulty level to the rest of the game. I play at that difficulty until it asks to drop to easy, then proceed to finish the game. If I haven't beaten the boss in those 5 or so chances, I don't consider it worth my time to continue. I just want to get it over with by then.

As someone who loves to be comfortably challenged by games; This, so much this. ;_;

**Vineheart01**

stompygitz wrote:
I generally dislike the player that isn't curteous. When ever I play, I will remind my opponent of any abilities he forgot to do or any units that he forgot to move, shoot, etc. I have had it when someone had one unit in a corner that they forgot about and when its turn to do anything was up, his opponent would point at it and laugh telling them they forgot to do anything.

This is the sole reason why i dont consider myself a WAAC even though people sometimes call me a rule shark. I am constantly helping my opponent remember rules, remember to use something (if i knew about it that is), even backing up to do something they forgot like move a flier or cast psychic powers. I fight to abide by rules for both sides, not just my own, ive corrected people on rules that normally would have just been bad for me but because i spoke up it was actually HORRID for me. Because of this, i know im not a WAAC - i just hate being screwed out of things because someone isnt as friendly with rules as i am. Especially since my army has t-shirt saves, i have to know how cover saves, vehicle facings, etc etc work in order to do anything at all whereas a MEQ player could play without knowing a damn thing about these for the most part.
Kinda hard to have fun when your army gets flattened by a calm breeze because you are letting rules slip you didnt know about. At the same note, its not fun to constantly go "Well this rule!" so its finding a medium thats difficult lol. Sketchy rules are one thing, ones in BOLD you cannot interpret other ways are another. Love it when people try to do something that the BRB has in bold text saying you cant. Or theres an extra paragraph they didnt read because what they cared about was in the last paragraph.

**hotsauceman1**

People who ragequit when they see no hope in winning. before this guy got his second turn he quit because he killed many of his units.
Oh and for some reason he chatised me for putting my Objective on the 4th floor of a tower.

**captain collius**

Furyou Miko wrote:
Rustgob wrote:
Monsieur_Maladroit wrote:
Cheaters and powergamers, in that order

I can't understand people who cheat at single-player games, let alone people who would cheat at a tabletop game.
It devalues any accomplishment; how can people who use cheats have any fun? :I

I cheat in single player games all the time because I want to enjoy the story instead of being frustrated by dying and having to restart every ten minutes.

Not really relevant to 40k, I guess. The closest I come to cheating in 40k is leaving a Seraphim squad behind a building out of the other player's LoS until he forgets about it.

That's not cheating, is it? I mean, cheating is stuff like pretending you rolled more sixes than you did or moving models an extra inch to get melta range, not tactically concealing units behind terrain.

Thats called waiting for him to make a fool of himself.

**Lucarikx**

People who are really, really jerkstupidfacemean powergamers (ie. A guy killed a quarter of my army turn 2 of my first tourny game, we had an hour left and my opponent told me I should just give up since I didn't have a chance at winning at all). I love playing against nice-ish(?) powergamers, I learn different and better ways to play.

Lucarikx

**DeffDred**

Experiment 626 wrote:
The outright worst ones imho are;
- Smokers. Filthy habbit and it makes you smell a million times worse than just pure body-stink. What's worse, is smokers who put the game on hold so they can go step outside and light-up for 10 minutes or so, and then drag that disgusting stench with them back into the gaming hall, then lean over the table and waft it right in your face.
Considering I'm not a smoker myself, having to play against a hardcore smokestack can easily be far, far worse than simply being near a GUO.

That's your worst? I'm a bit offended. I play balanced fun lists, painted better than most, I have have full comprehension of the rules (though not in 6th yet) and am viewed by some as the definition of what a good gamer is.

Yet you wouldn't want to play against me because I smoke? I understand it can slow down a game but if you don't smoke you don't understand.

I can't smoke inside the store so I have to step out. Would you rather I go out or blow smoke in your face?

If the game gets intense... need a butt. Streak of bad luck and getting fustrated... need a butt. UGSC... need a butt.

Not playing someone because they smoke is like not playing someone because they wear sneakers instead of pennyloafers.

**Griddlelol**

DeffDred wrote:

Not playing someone because they smoke is like not playing someone because they wear sneakers instead of pennyloafers.

Poor comparison and you know it's a poor comparison. Although I agree with you in general.

**dreamakuma**

Players who proxy entire armies and stuff with non models. there was a guy who did soda cans for drop pods and a blister pack for a predator. I never want to play that, because it feels like power gaming mixed with anti fluff. I love seeing models all over a board, I really love conversions and kitbashes. But I really cannot stand seeing trash used as counts as stuff because you won't make with what you have.

**kronk**

dreamakuma wrote:
there was a guy who did soda cans for drop pods

I've heard that story, but I always thought it was an urban legend or meme. Really?

**PunkNeverDie110**

Basically: IMHO the worst 40k players are those who are too competitive.
I have nothing against competitive player, but when someone use the same 2-3 units in a list 'cause those units are freakin' broken, and he's ready to cheat, simply 'cause he want to win a "friendly match", then a GTFO is spontaneus.

**infinite_array**

kronk wrote:
dreamakuma wrote:
there was a guy who did soda cans for drop pods

I've heard that story, but I always thought it was an urban legend or meme. Really?

Back when I was first starting out, I used red solo cups. But only when playing at home. I'd never pull that kind of crap in public.

**easysauce**

ill never understand how people claim their army is more fluffy then others...

everything in an armies codex is fluffy for them....

outside of the allies matrix, every army is inheritly fluffy.

even inside the allies matrix, if you make up fluff for WHY your SM are allied with orks, then its still "fluffy"

argueing about what fluff is "believable" is another thing altogether.

that being said, playing for FUN is very doable, and perfectly ok,

as is playing to win,

its honestly either extreme that cheeses me off, either the guy whos so fluffly that my psyfle dread breaks the game for him for some reason, and all he does is complain about my lack of fluff,

or the guy who WAAC who purposefully mis reads rules in a way to give him an unfair advantage, or who complains about my lack of competitiveness

smelly versions of the uber fluffer or WAAC guy are just the worst....

**Armadeus**

DeffDred wrote:

Not playing someone because they smoke is like not playing someone because they wear sneakers instead of pennyloafers.

No it's not. Some people actually cannot breath around cigarette smoke.

**PredaKhaine**

One of my minor bugbears is when I'm playing and someone wanders past the table and starts adjudicating randomly,and getting rules wrong - if I'm going to be corrected mid game, I'd really like to be wrong in the first place.
I have no qualms being told if I've missed something and it's an honest mistake, but when my opponant who I was talking through the game and who was using my wolves army suddenly gets litanies of hate on his wolf priest mid game as some random guy has invaded the game...Or people wandering past and arguing with me over fnp and claiming it's not negated by double toughness strength - just as I'm in the middle of dropping a fire prism (s9) blast on terminators with fnp...

**Ironwill13791**

PredaKhaine wrote:
One of my minor bugbears is when I'm playing and someone wanders past the table and starts adjudicating randomly,and getting rules wrong - if I'm going to be corrected mid game, I'd really like to be wrong in the first place.
I have no qualms being told if I've missed something and it's an honest mistake, but when my opponant who I was talking through the game and who was using my wolves army suddenly gets litanies of hate on his wolf priest mid game as some random guy has invaded the game...Or people wandering past and arguing with me over fnp and claiming it's not negated by double toughness strength - just as I'm in the middle of dropping a fire prism (s9) blast on terminators with fnp...

I hate this. If someone walks over and talks about the game and is interested in what your doing is 1 thing, but telling us how to play naggingly is annoying.

Was playing one time and I hit a stormraven with a melta shot from my land speeders. A guy 2 tables over hears (after I got a penetrating hit) and says to my opponent that he can evade for a 4+ cover save. I let my opponent do it because he honestly didn't know (he rolled a 4). And the rest of the game, my opponent was waiting to see if I got any pens. before evading. I got home and read more into it and realize it was played wrong.

The nest week I told my opponent and he said that he thought something wasn't right, but we were strapped for time.

**tommse**

Foul body odour seems to be a thing in 40k. To be honest i´ve never witnessed someone with a mean stench in any hobby or job or whatever i´ve ever had but the first dude i played (outside of my regular friends) was almost unbearable. Was a nice dude and what not but the first hour i was playing him i thought the smell came out of the bathroom that happened to be behind him... I was to embarrassed to tell him...