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2014/08/08 13:46:59
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Oh, why did I even bother to lay eyes on their latest update... ah yes, my compatriots of pain saw amusement and irritation there...
We can’t seem to catch a break with Robotech® RPG Tactics™.
When poor planning meets boundless optimism = missed opportunity.
Though we were told there is only a 15% chance of our container being tagged by Customs for random inspection, as Fate would have it, we have been tagged.
You roll dice on occasion right? Ever say "Anything but a one!"? Fate / Murphy lives for those moments, 15% chance might as well been 85%. The real thing to point to is to have managed the timeline to ensure it did not run all to the last minute when these "expected" hiccups occur.
We went through so much effort to get the container to the USA as fast as possible to start shipping to our backers and to have it in time for Gen Con Indy. Now this.
Nice try at spin by listing backers first then Gen Con but there was only one item with a hard due date. Want to bet there will still be some delays at getting backer kits out? (sorry, negativity creeping in again)
We think once gamers see this game it will blow out of stores fast. To guarantee people get the product they want, we will take pre-order sales for Wave One retail items (NOT Kickstarter exclusive game pieces) at Gen Con. Of course, you can order from the Palladium online store, too. All pre-orders, whether placed at Gen Con or on the Palladium online store, will be shipped immediately after the Kickstarter backers, and are likely to arrive shortly before the product begins to hit store shelves.
They never miss an opportunity to try to get that money, gotta admire their tenacity. We would have no real means of knowing the order they ship; anyone willing to order at Gen Con who is a backer and see what arrives at your doorstep first? Then again, Palladium would then have their money up front and there would be no hurry...
Robotech® RPG titles, new releases, and all of Palladium’s other game products, plus select speciality items, collectibles, convention specials, original artwork, art prints, writers, artists and staff will be available for your enjoyment. Please come on over to visit and get autographs.
Any Robotech miniature convention items? No detail, may have learned from the last debacle but I doubt they have anything good other than what they may have had air-freighted to them from China.
Considering how we are jumped on and ridiculed every time a projected release date is offered and then pushed back, or we face a delay, we are not committing to any specific release date for Wave Two until we have a fairly solid and realistic one from the manufacturing end of things.
I really think the unforgivable delivery dates given were the ones they listed when soliciting backer money. Anything after that was expected standard Palladium scheduling. If they only wait for ensured manufacturing results we will hear nothing until the week after the product arrived.
That said, Wayne and Jeff had a conference call with our development partners, Ninja Division, to discuss Wave Two just Tuesday. We have, of course, never stopped making plans for the release of Wave Two items, as well as discussing ideas for future releases of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ products.
Making plans??? Should be a continuation of what was already happening, no planning needed, just continue with the process of getting the core set out. Nice, not a word on any stage of "development".
The possibilities for the future of this game line are nothing short of fantastic and exciting as all get out.
Hope they do not plan a kickstarter for the next saga of Robotech, the notes from this one would scare away anyone... the future is not looking that bright.
I’m dying for the Monster, myself (it is gorgeous and one of my all-time favorite mecha). And the Zentraedi foot soldiers. And the YF-4. And the Jotun, and . . . well, everything! It’s all coming
Thank goodness no comment on "mouth watering".
Palladium Fantasy RPG® “Paper Miniatures” is an all new, digital product line created by artist and writer “Madman” Mike Leonard. They are designed as full color paper game pieces that you print on a card stock, cut out and slide into a paper stand (all part of the pack you purchase). A FREE Sample and the first two sets of Palladium Fantasy RPG® Paper Miniatures are available NOW on DriveThruRPG.
Why do I find this hilarious and odd all at once? It just... seems... wrong.
Funny, this was my first and only Kickstarter I paid into.
Not a good feeling.
I had gone from indifference to contempt for Palladium.
If the shipment was that close to failure they could have avoided a lot of pain on that "vote" fiasco by not doing it.
It just shows how minute by minute they run in not weighing the risk to reward and probability of dates not being made.
REALLY looking forward to early 2016 when I am done with them after Wave 2 ships.
A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte
2014/08/08 13:59:05
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
How many bets Palladium will have tried to bring this stuff in as the very generic 'toys' not realising that all the small parts etc mean that it won't pass the necessary safety inspections
so they'll have a substantial delay while the find exactly what
sort of model kit classification they should have put on the paperwork
(I've seen at least one project delayed this way, and they'd used the right paperwork but just had a very 'toylike' box that meant customs thought the might be selling the stuff at toys)
2014/08/08 15:04:51
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Forar wrote: This is for Kendachi, Morgan, and anyone else who has even glanced within the cesspool.
Spoiler:
For context on the second one, NMI's facebook page has some 'pyramid scheme' style bull about raking in HUGE PAYDAYS and gak like that. I got swept up in the moment and couldn't help embracing it.
Edit: he's also the kind of dude that 'likes' his own posts on Facebook. I think that says more about him than anything else
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2014/08/08 17:47:22
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
gorgon wrote: That missive on the delay is classic Palladium. Starts with self-pity, moves into whiny accusations, and then resumes promising the moon and stars.
I really hope you guys get your stuff.
If it happens, it happens. I've already written off that money.
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2014/08/08 17:55:22
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
All I can say is that I'm glad that happened to them.
As I so pointedly said in their "vote yes/no here" update, failure for-profit companies should happen when they are poorly run.
I love robotech, maybe not as much as some, but more than others, and wanted some awesome miniatures and game to play. However, just because I want something doesn't mean that I won't change my mind based upon how a business is run.
I was also extremely insulted by their "your no response means you are complacently voting yes". That's what really took the cheese for me. I would have been ok if they just said "we are optimistically hoping to get everything in time to take to gen-con and will sell some there as we think it's a sound business move". But when you tell me how my apathy to the situation means I am for/against something...bulllllllcrap.
Hindsight is a punk, and they should have put realistic time frames in place with the gencon thing and not even voted. Now they have 25% no of the total votes, and who knows how many of those were cheesed off like myself simply BECAUSE of the vote.
Now it's a moot point. GG PB.
2014/08/08 19:11:52
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
PallyDrone wrote: Maybe somebody should start a vote on if Kevin is a totally incompetent, delusional, liar and BS-artist??
Anybody who doesn't vote is automatically assumed to be a yes vote.
I wish I could exalt this more than once.
You know you're really doing something when you can make strangers hate you over the Internet. - Mauleed
Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
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2014/08/08 19:45:57
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
PallyDrone wrote: Maybe somebody should start a vote on if Kevin is a totally incompetent, delusional, liar and BS-artist??
Anybody who doesn't vote is automatically assumed to be a yes vote.
I think being a micromanager, having some BS skills, working at your own pace, etc. might be okay or even helpful if you're a guy starting a gaming company out of his garage. But you have to evolve as your company grows.
Korias1004 wrote: However, just because I want something doesn't mean that I won't change my mind based upon how a business is run.
If this isn't your signature, it should be!
I think Cthulhu Wars did a good job in estimating timeframes, but KS projects need to better communicate what issues can delay a project, and which ones are and aren't in their control. Pretty much all plastic miniatures are made in China, meaning that customs, shipping, etc. are issues that are well-known in the industry. Thus, there's no reason a KS can't educate its backers the process and timeline in creating the product. However, even Reaper miniatures isn't saying anything more than "production as scheduled".
In a poorly run project, problems which can happen in any project become magnified and make a bad project worse. Just one more straw on the camel's back.
PallyDrone wrote: Maybe somebody should start a vote on if Kevin is a totally incompetent, delusional, liar and BS-artist??
Anybody who doesn't vote is automatically assumed to be a yes vote.
I think being a micromanager, having some BS skills, working at your own pace, etc. might be okay or even helpful if you're a guy starting a gaming company out of his garage. But you have to evolve as your company grows.
Since narcissists are such expert con artists, how do you spot them? By not judging by appearances. Or reputation.
A specific behavior, such as being haughty, inconsiderate, or ignoring someone, can occur in widely varying contexts. So, it can be done for many reasons, not just narcissistic reasons. Nonetheless, there are few behaviors so unique to persons suffering from NPD that they should serve as red flags.
Here are eight red flags:
puts on a conspicuous display of goodness and kindness
damages the images of most others
has a history of past upheavals
is hated for mysterious reasons by people close to them
exhibits unnatural and perplexing behavior -- backwards reactions to things
is a control freak, trampling privacy/boundaries
is extremely self-absorbed
has a hostile reaction to attention and credit given others
I would add not taking accountability for when things go wrong and an amazing lack of empathy (which we would have no reason to see).
So when/if we get our wave one stuff everyone post "Yayyyy!! Go Ninja Division! Great work!" everywhere!
A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte
2014/08/08 20:44:16
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
We can’t seem to catch a break with Robotech® RPG Tactics™.
UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave One on Display at Gen Con
[...] writers, artists and staff will be available for your enjoyment. Please come on over to visit and get autographs. And as I said in past Updates, we look forward to shaking the hands of some of our many Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Kickstarter backers and thanking them in person. So come on down.
UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave Two
Considering how we are jumped on and ridiculed every time a projected release date is offered and then pushed back, or we face a delay, we are not committing to any specific release date for Wave Two until we have a fairly solid and realistic one from the manufacturing end of things.
...er, I think my head just exploded after trying to comprehend the utterly clueless mindset that would lead the company to still want to do the meet and greet .....
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2014/08/08 20:49:11
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Duh... they have collectible mugs they just created for sale to go along with their themed pencils! And a book that was due out half a decade ago that they just finished!
p.s. I'm not joking... that is their exciting new Gencon product lineup.
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2014/08/08 20:54:20
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
I doubt it. Most people who make youtube videos during a con are actually excited fanboys so the folks who are disgruntled won't waste their time when they could be having fun.
So how many members of the "NMI banned me" fanclub do we have now here? I know I was the inaugural one since Jorel isn't here but he's a bit of a stockholm syndrome battered wife forumite so I'm not sure how to regard him.
2014/08/08 21:18:05
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
warboss wrote: I doubt it. Most people who make youtube videos during a con are actually excited fanboys so the folks who are disgruntled won't waste their time when they could be having fun.
There's that, and also not wanting to be ejected by security before you've seen and done everything you want to see and do, and no matter how much of a douchecanoe a vendor is, if you're having a throw down verbal with one you're the person security is going to escort to the door.
I think a few photobomb pics of Kev and the crew with a guy in a Guy Fawkes mask and a shirt that says karma is a bitch would work. Of course that is a two man job as you need the undercover backer to make them pose for the legit photo while the masked photo bomber springs into action.
2014/08/08 22:42:04
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
warboss wrote: I think a few photobomb pics of Kev and the crew with a guy in a Guy Fawkes mask and a shirt that says karma is a bitch would work. Of course that is a two man job as you need the undercover backer to make them pose for the legit photo while the masked photo bomber springs into action.
I wanted to show up a a local con he was at with the previous years catalog which listed like 15 books slated for release, none of which were produced and ask him for this book...and then the next and the next, all the way down the line and see his reaction.
I also had the previous years catalog with 15+ other books that were promised. I think out the like 30 books listed in both 4 ever saw the light of day. Most are disappeared.
Palladium usually announces 12 - 24 (yes 24) books a year and puts out one or two...usually the one or two are years late, so not sure those even count.
2014/08/08 23:49:37
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
You should have done it. Palladium's Kevin seems to pathologically be completely unable to realize his own shortcomings despite overwhelming evidence. He *NEEDS* others to point them out clearly using incontrovertable proof so that it cannot be handwaved away as "mean" or "tiny minority". A simple youtube video where you politely go through 2013's catalog and ask which ones came out, you know, in 2013 would do the trick.
2014/08/09 02:06:37
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Seems I hit a nerve. ;-)
You and me both Forar, but I got a 4 month ban (my first warnings and ban on the site for asking NMI if the truth hurt.
I had posted Kevin had lied to us backers, to which there is more then enough evidence of that, and then NMI warned me and said I was a liar in the warning, so I pmed him back asking what truth hurt? and next thing I know he bans me for 4 months (ending Dec. 7th., yeah the date is ironic) and my IP is banned too.
warboss wrote: So how many members of the "NMI banned me" fanclub do we have now here? I know I was the inaugural one since Jorel isn't here but he's a bit of a stockholm syndrome battered wife forumite so I'm not sure how to regard him.
I'm one now
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Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2014/08/09 05:49:56
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Seems I hit a nerve. ;-)
Funny I just got the same message. Guess we'll be back on the same day. NMI must have copy an pasted our bans.lol Just remember guys NMI said recently (can't remember which thread it was) what is allowed and what is taken out comes from PB. So I guess we all hit a nerve with Semenbieda that he got his lacky to ban us to trick new customers into thinking its a perfect place. I hope the game succeeds just so all the other 40k players bombard the PB forums with criticism and drama.
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2014/08/09 14:17:21
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
I'm sure it will in no way be awkward for new customers to find a ghost town of a sub forum, a hostile group of people who cringe at the very mention of RRT anywhere but the designated sub forum, a bunch of locked topics and the mention of people being banned en masse.
2014/08/09 15:29:39
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Any mention of people being banned will result in locked threads and further banning by the Archangel NMI for trolling and/or heresy against the Siembessiah. Eventually only the worthy will be left and the forums will be in perfect harmony with no disagreement between the 4 people left.
Eh, whatever. I've already resigned myself to eventually getting wave 2 whenever they get around to doing it and only ever buying a single pack of infantry for completeness. In the end, I'm just glad that we finally have good news about the kickstarter in that Palladium will be forced to keep their promise despite their best efforts to the contrary.
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2014/08/09 19:24:24
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
You seem to forget that also mentioned in the weekly update that PB areoffline a for thiose crucial days before Gencon, so they can upgrade their software and perplexingly their shipping processes. Result no update on their site or to the KS before the Con.
I am too suspicious I suppose but what are the odds of them express shipping in a few hundred copies and after Gencon starts coming to the boards explaining they made a corporate decision to honour their GC pledge, but sadly no systems meant they could not let the backers know of this change of heart
2014/08/09 21:20:47
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
My bad Forar I'm banned till the 4th.lol Haven't brought it up on the ks cause I get the feeling he gets off on it since it gives him some control in his life. I heard in real life his wife wants him gone. Can't say for sure, just hearsay. I say this because it would explain his attitude. I heard when Kevin's ex left him for a fan friend that's when things really took a turn for the worse at PB. Apparantly she kept PB product on schedule.
Notice a pattern?
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2014/08/09 22:58:19
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
I knew Kevin and Maryann were divorced, I wasn't aware she'd gotten together with someone they knew.
Their ability to keep up with schedules has been bad for at least the last decade and a half, but from looking at their releases, it hasn't gotten any better since my high school days, and may have certainly gotten worse. The last few years in particular seem to be lucky to get their quarterly Rifters and 2-3 or so books out all told. It was never amazing, but I don't remember their release schedule being quite that bad (though things would be on their catalog "coming soon" section for years all the same).
2014/08/10 00:54:57
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
This is also as NMI said the first year the MA's have really made our selves known, like many we are coming out of the shadows and standing forth to declare Palladium is strong and we will game on.
puts on a conspicuous display of goodness and kindness
