Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!

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**UNCLEBADTOUCH**

Elemental wrote:
Buzzsaw wrote:

Elemental wrote:
Jimsolo wrote:

Curious question, is the conversation taking place here about typical for Kickstarter campaigns? I've never participated in one (either the campaign or any thread about one) and I'm honestly really puzzled by the intensity of the negativity. I expected a lot of speculation about the unrevealed minis, a lot of discussion about what people were going to do with their minis, and a lot of comparisons between peoples' orders. There seems to be quite a few people who are posting comments along the lines of 'the Kickstarter isn't going to do as well as you think, and X is the reason why,' or 'if such-and-such situation doesn't change, I'm going to withdraw my pledge,' or 'they are running the Kickstarter wrong, they should be doing it this way.' I'm not saying that these people aren't entitled to their opinions. (Hell, I even agree with some of them!) I just wasn't expecting the conversation to take this direction. Is it normal? Was I just overly optimistic? Or is this an uncharacteristically negative conversation for its type?

It seems to vary, often at random. You'll also notice a lot of the negative comments are coming from the same handful of people, and restate the same handful of points over and over again, never missing a chance to remind everyone how this latest development proves their pet theory about the nature of Kickstarter / RH's perceived arrogance / whatever right. Again, not that they're not entitled to be negative, but after a certain point, I do wonder why anyone wouldn't just simply abandon a KS they find so unsatisfactory, and move onto something they like more. Opinions have been expressed unambiguously, anyone you feel needs to be "warned" has been, your work here has been done.

Man goes to his doctor, the doctor tells him "you have got to quit smoking." Man says he's fine, he just started and he feels great, he's not going to stop.

(blinkblink)

Well, that comparison was certainly random and hyperbolic as all heck.

As well as offensive and insensitive.

**Kroothawk**

Buzzsaw wrote:
I'll phrase this as gently as I can: you appear to have no idea what you are talking about. You've thrown up several campaign graphs, without any apparent appreciation of how they help or how they damage the point you seem to be making.

I apologize if that seems curt, but as I have now spent hundreds of words attempting to illustrate the thinking that led to my conclusions, you'll forgive me if acontextual images seem less then convincing.

Hint: It is not the number of words that make an argumentation convincing. Nor the number of personal attacks

**deleted20250424**

Minx wrote:
I must be missing something, but how did you manage to reduce the 15-40% discount to 9%?

It looks like I did miss one thing, so it's actually 15%-16% off.

Still short of the average 20% off that is the average in Retail for discounts. Then remove S&H as retailers will remove that for most orders over $50-$100.

There's still not numbers there screaming for people to pledge for savings.

**Buzzsaw**

Kroothawk wrote:
Buzzsaw wrote:
I'll phrase this as gently as I can: you appear to have no idea what you are talking about. You've thrown up several campaign graphs, without any apparent appreciation of how they help or how they damage the point you seem to be making.

I apologize if that seems curt, but as I have now spent hundreds of words attempting to illustrate the thinking that led to my conclusions, you'll forgive me if acontextual images seem less then convincing.

Hint: It is not the number of words that make an argumentation convincing. Nor the number of personal attacks

Well, that's me convinced! In the light of such arguments as you have mustered my methodology surely must be naught but sound and fury, the argument of a fool and signifying nothing...

While I wait for your argument to transmit itself through the phlogiston or however you plan on actually presenting it, something to ponder;

Buzzsaw wrote:
$8,453

That's how much money they have to add today to equal half of yesterday.

As I write this, they may have just made it. To Half. ...

Their actual total from yesterday? $8,136.

**Hulksmash**

@Buzzsaw

It's probably best to just ignore Kroothawk. He seems to be intentionally missing the point of your posts.

**UNCLEBADTOUCH**

TalonZahn wrote:
Minx wrote:
I must be missing something, but how did you manage to reduce the 15-40% discount to 9%?

It looks like I did miss one thing, so it's actually 15%-16% off.

Still short of the average 20% off that is the average in Retail for discounts. Then remove S&H as retailers will remove that for most orders over $50-$100.

There's still not numbers there screaming for people to pledge for savings.

This is always an odd one, if you want security and potentially deeper discounts then retail is indeed risk free and can be budgeted to your timetable. However there is also no guarantee that the retail price won't increase before it goes into general circulation. For me I'm pledged just a little over what I am likely to need to spend with most of what I want unlocked. I will wait til it's the last day, reasses based on what's available. im willing to decrease as well as increase my pledge. Having a drop ship site close to me also helps so I can get staged deliveries. At the end of the day it's best to wait, observe and make the right decision for you based on the facts. Wailing like a baby and throwing half page hissy fits like some forum members is neither constructive nor helpful.

**Alpharius**

Kroothawk wrote:
Buzzsaw wrote:
I'll phrase this as gently as I can: you appear to have no idea what you are talking about. You've thrown up several campaign graphs, without any apparent appreciation of how they help or how they damage the point you seem to be making.

I apologize if that seems curt, but as I have now spent hundreds of words attempting to illustrate the thinking that led to my conclusions, you'll forgive me if acontextual images seem less then convincing.

Hint: It is not the number of words that make an argumentation convincing. Nor the number of personal attacks

You seem to be unable to process opinions that do not walk lock step with your own here - this is...odd.

You effectively set up a legion of straw-men which you then spectacularly demolish.

This chart here?

would seem to indicate that there are problems that need to be addressed.

There's another famous story out there about a different Emperor...

Spoiler:

Bottom line?

Everyone in this thread wants this campaign to succeed, and wants all of the hinted at miniatures to be 'unlocked'.

At the current pace, with the current stretch goals, this seems to be heading into 'less likely' territory.

I'm sure that all involved, including RH, would like for this to happen, and would welcome thoughts on how to best achieve this.

**Ouze**

Update 6.

Sculpts of the Troopers for the Kurganova Shock Troops

We know that buying things on concept only can be a delicate proposition. Yes, you already know that we have committed to having sculpts that are very true to the concepts. But we all know that an image is worth a thousand words.

And while we've already shown several Heroines' sculpts, we've read that some of you want to see how the troops concepts translate to sculpts.
So here are 3 sculpts of the Kurganova troopers.

Tweaking the TGG campaign

We know that after an amazing start, the Toughest Girls of the Galaxy (TGG) Kickstarter is now running much more slowly.

The success of our launch by far exceeded our expectations. It would have been easy for us to ride on this amazing wave, try to cash in, and unlock lots and lots of stuff very quickly. But it would not have been honest to you for several reasons.

First of all, we needed to make sure we could make the necessary adjustments with our suppliers to be able to fulfill the pledges in the time frame we committed to if the KS continues on skyrocketing. We are currently finalizing work on this, and we are now reassured that this will not be a problem.

Second, it is obvious that if the TGG Kickstarter ends up going very high, we'll end up with no Stretch Goals to unlock and not enough to offer you. So we are now working very hard to take care of that, and our concept artist is currently drawing day and night non-stop in case of greater things happening.

Third, we also know it's very easy, as a KS project creator, to be carried away by the amazing rush of the Kickstarter, and to fail to anticipate the impact this will have on production costs, packaging, increased sorting and picking, additional staff and training, increase in office and storage space, taxes, currency exchange, and lots more...

Before launching this Kickstarter, we spoke to several other Kickstarted project creators in our field, some with big projects, some with small projects. They ALL advised us to be VERY careful about the costs, because many were burned to a certain extent by underestimated costs after the KS ended, and this applied even to the very large projects.

And so, we are still carefully reviewing the numbers to adapt to what this Kickstarter has become, and to where it might end. Pending those results, we expect to be able to make several adjustments to the campaign that will undoubtedly make you happy.

More info in the next coming hours about all this.

New locations for the TGG Kickstarter Drop Ship Programme

As you may know, we will be giving interested pledgers the opportunity to go directly to a retailer's store to pick up their Raging Heroes Kickstarter items. More details here.

Today, we just updated our Drop Shipper list with 8 new locations. There are now, believe it or not, 15 countries participating!

Interested? Just talk to your local gaming store. If they are interested, they can complete this form and we'll add them to the list!

A beautiful comic book

We've just been contacted by Hoang Nguyen, creator of the Carbon Grey Kickstarter. Carbon Grey is an absolutely gorgeous comic book that happens to share a lot of the with the Toughest Girls of the Galaxy visual references.

As his Kickstarter is now nearing its end, Hoang Nguyen is offering a FREE digital comic of Carbon Grey to the Toughest Girls of the Galaxy backers for just checking out his campaign. And in exchange, he is sending his backers to ours!

And we are also working with him to have him will draw some new characters for the TGG campaign...

**deleted20250424**

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
This is always an odd one, if you want security and potentially deeper discounts then retail is indeed risk free and can be budgeted to your timetable. However there is also no guarantee that the retail price won't increase before it goes into general circulation. For me I'm pledged just a little over what I am likely to need to spend with most of what I want unlocked. I will wait til it's the last day, reasses based on what's available. im willing to decrease as well as increase my pledge. Having a drop ship site close to me also helps so I can get staged deliveries. At the end of the day it's best to wait, observe and make the right decision for you based on the facts. Wailing like a baby and throwing half page hissy fits like some forum members is neither constructive nor helpful.

I hope you're not insinuating that I'm one of those throwing a fit.....just sharing my observation at this point. Actually, my other posts in this thread are quite the opposite.

I'm still watching and waiting.

**conker249**

Im waiting for the mech mainly. Once that gets closer to unlocked ill put more in

**UNCLEBADTOUCH**

@talon definitely not you, your comments are far too on topic for that. I think watching and waiting is definitely the best approach regardless of pro or con stance.

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Alpharius wrote:
Everyone in this thread wants this campaign to succeed, and wants all of the hinted at miniatures to be 'unlocked'.

At the current pace, with the current stretch goals, this seems to be heading into 'less likely' territory.

I'm sure that all involved, including RH, would like for this to happen, and would welcome thoughts on how to best achieve this.

Raging heroes have hit their funding goal, the kickstarter has succeeded. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous, anything beyond that goal is simply icing on the cake.

**Crimson**

Those soldiers look rather excellent. I'd still like to see a scale shot though.

**-iPaint-**

New renders look nice. I still think I'm going to pass on most of the Kurganova stuff in favor of the Jailbirds and Iron Empire, though. I'm waiting to see what the renders for the Heavy Troopers look like for the Iron Empire.

~iPaint

**Taarnak**

I like the design of the Trooper figures. Running poses are odd though.

~Eric

**Alpharius**

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
@talon definitely not you, your comments are far too on topic for that. I think watching and waiting is definitely the best approach regardless of pro or con stance.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Alpharius wrote:
Everyone in this thread wants this campaign to succeed, and wants all of the hinted at miniatures to be 'unlocked'.

At the current pace, with the current stretch goals, this seems to be heading into 'less likely' territory.

I'm sure that all involved, including RH, would like for this to happen, and would welcome thoughts on how to best achieve this.

Raging heroes have hit their funding goal, the kickstarter has succeeded. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous, anything beyond that goal is simply icing on the cake.

You might want to take a break from this thread...as I'll thank you to NOT assign attributes to my posts that aren't there.

Anyway, this hasn't succeeded until July 7th.

But that latest update is nice!

**KalashnikovMarine**

The Kruganova look more like High Def Cadians then I expected. I'm okay with that though!

**UNCLEBADTOUCH**

@alpharius that is what I took from what you posted. Feel free to clarify and please be clear as to when you are posting personal opinion as opposed to instruction from a mod.

**Ouze**

Man, I have to tell you. I've been biting my tongue on this for days, but I think something really needs to be said at this point.

You guys are not being fair to Kroothawk.

I have no idea how he became the focal point of this umbrage. He hasn't been in here, like, with the sword and the shield, hammering down opposing opinion. He's expressed his opinions in what I thought was a fairly reasonable manner, and you guys are like, just going bananas on him.

I say this as a reasonably neutral party in this because I like all of you guys more or less evenly. I've always liked you, Alpharius. I went to bat with you when that RSO thing happened. I've always found you to be a evenhanded mod. But I think you should maybe take a step back here a second and look at some of the stuff you're posting. Look at this exchange:

Alpharius wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
At the risk of sounding like a whiny cry baby Joe Blow on the Interwebz, $20K to unlock a single model that is then a $10 add-on...

Okay, what would you suggest?

I'd suggest you calm down, not put words in other people's mouths and stop exaggerating.

This is literally:

A. Hey, this sucks
B What would you prefer
A. STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH

Pretend it's not your name and Kroothawks name in that exchange. Pretend you saw that exchange with 2 other people. Would you have considered that to be a fair exchange?

And Buzzsaw. Man, your initial breakdowns of issue was smart as hell. I'm in awe of the way built your analysis and I think RH should really, really take pretty much all of your suggestions. I wonder if you could make a few bucks here and there acting as an analysis for crowdfunding projects. But I want to address this:

Buzzsaw wrote:
Elemental wrote:
Buzzsaw wrote:

Man goes to his doctor, the doctor tells him "you have got to quit smoking." Man says he's fine, he just started and he feels great, he's not going to stop.

(blinkblink)

Well, that comparison was certainly random and hyperbolic as all heck.

You asked why people that do know better keep trying to help people that don't know better.

Why does anyone try to help people that don't want to be helped? Because they need it.

I don't think you need to be a paladin for your ideas, for lack ofa better way of putting it. I agree with them, but now that they're out there, they're out there! They'll either address them or not.

And

Buzzsaw wrote:
[While I wait for your argument to transmit itself through the phlogiston or however you plan on actually presenting it, something to ponder

Come on. That's just rude by any measure. It is. And it sets the tone for further vitriolic responses by other people. We can't have a reasonable discourse when you guys are saying stuff like this - instead of undermining what he's actually saying, his arguments, you both have been undermining him personally - saying he's irrational etc etc. It's not right.

This is like seeing one of your friend's parents fight, when you like them, and sometimes they make you smore's or rice krispie treats and now you wonder if maybe they're going to get divorced, and then just like with you your dad is going to shack up with that floozy Donna who always smells like hairspray and Marlboros and your mom is always sad all the time and you have to move to a new school and all the kids make fun of you and call you butterpants. Well, maybe that was a bit of a digression, but I wish all of you guys would take a step back, accept that your opinions are all pretty much valid in some way, that you're not really going to convince each other, and just, you know, move on.

**PsychoticStorm**

I quite like the last update, I am curious on the parts breakdown of the troops though, hope they will answer.

That been said, I am more happy with the unexpected communication, promise of a follow up and an indication of seriously considering suggestions.

Ok I know we have heralds here it is their duty beyond spreading the word and supporting this, communicating back crucial feedback, like it or not agreeing or disagreeing with Buzzsaw one of you or several should communicate his feedback to them with emphasis, he has critical points highlighted.

**Kroothawk**

Alpharius wrote:
This chart here?

would seem to indicate that there are problems that need to be addressed.

This chart just shows, that every kickstarter campaign gets most funds and new backers on the first and then the last few days ... and that this kickstarter is no exception. That's how kickstarter campaigns do in real life. Same with ebay auctions. Half the backers will see kickstarters on the "Soon ending" page, before they take action.

Always nice to have more pledges per day, but the current level is absolutely normal for a successful campaign. No need to panic on day 4. And as said, the motorbikes and mechas will certainly boost existing pledges. BTW I, and many other painters, are waiting for more Heroine pledge levels.

**UNCLEBADTOUCH**

It would definitely be good to see how the arm/hand/weapon attachment works for ease of swapping in weapons that aren't part of the kickstarter.

**Ouze**

Also, a comic book? pimp.

**BaronIveagh**

I am curious ot see those bikes. Mecha look a bit cliche so far though.

**Tannhauser42**

We can post all the various Kicktraq charts we want, but they all show the same thing. A big start, a slow middle with steady growth for the project, and a big finish. Until the charts start showing a LOSS of money or backers, then it's pretty much business as usual. Do I think RH could have done some things better? Of course I do, but this is hardly the disaster that some commentaries almost make it out to be. Again, I think a big issue here is that this is not like the usual gaming KS projects we're all used to.

**KalashnikovMarine**

PsychoticStorm wrote:

Ok I know we have heralds here it is their duty beyond spreading the word and supporting this, communicating back crucial feedback, like it or not agreeing or disagreeing with Buzzsaw one of you or several should communicate his feedback to them with emphasis, he has critical points highlighted.

I actually really like Buzzsaw and his analysis and have been passing them on to the Raging Herald comm channels as they've been posted, whether RH will read and acknowledge is completely up to them, but the heralds are at least debating a little.

**PsychoticStorm**

That's really good to hear!

I feel feedback is essential at this point.

**Alpharius**

PsychoticStorm wrote:

I feel feedback is essential at this point.

It really is, isn't it?

It is one of the best things about the whole crowdfunding thing too.

**-iPaint-**

Grabbed some screens from the intro video to show some more of the Kurganova troopers and the Iron Empire standard bearer.

Spoiler:

And the Iron Empire standard:

Spoiler:

The Iron Empire concept art just continues to impress. Looks like we'll get a mix of active/passive poses for all these models, since the three renders above look more rooted in their poses than two of the running models shown in the latest update.

~iPaint

**BaronIveagh**

I'm surprised they're producing them in metal rather than resin.

**Minx**

-iPaint- wrote:
Grabbed some screens from the intro video to show some more of the Kurganova troopers and the Iron Empire standard bearer.

The Iron Empire concept art just continues to impress. Looks like we'll get a mix of active/passive poses for all these models, since the three renders above look more rooted in their poses than two of the running models shown in the latest update.

~iPaint

Thanks for your work with the video and i agree, they have some awesome concept art (and miniatures of course).